Stories that are still canonical

[Lord]

Now that the reboot finally started i decided to make this thread to see which stories from the pre-reboot are still canonical.
Until now the only story that i think was a 100% anounced to be canon was The Killing Joke.
Does anybody know if this is the only one?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Now that the reboot finally started i decided to make this thread to see which stories from the pre-reboot are still canonical.
Until now the only story that i think was a 100% anounced to be canon was The Killing Joke.
Does anybody know if this is the only one?

Almost all of Batman's modern history is intact. Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run is still in canon. Final Crisis is said to still be in canon. Parts of the Death of Superman is still in canon.

 

[SpideyForPrez]

That's one thing that actually really confused and bugged me about JL#1. Is all of Batman's history supposed to take place in a five year period? He's had four Robins in five years?

 

[Spike_x1]

Not to mention Year One, The Long Halloween, and Dark Victory all take place over the course of a year each, which chews up a lot of Bruce's timeline before present day.

And then there's Knightfall, No Man's Land, Murderer/Fugitive, all of which were very time consuming adventures that had lasting impacts on the character.

 

[Cain]

That's one thing that actually really confused and bugged me about JL#1. Is all of Batman's history supposed to take place in a five year period? He's had four Robins in five years?

It's obvious that he's been operating before the 5 years JL takes place during. However how long is anyone's guess. The logical assumption is about 6 years before JL #1. Meaning he could've had Dick as Robin from Boy Wonder (Robin: Year One, Batman: Year Three, Dark Victory whatever you like etc.) to the Teen Wonder (the 70's comics) around in the comics at that time paving the way for Jason then a couple years later Tim and then Damian.

 

[Lord]

They need to release a timeline soon, and is Final Crisis a good story?
Batman seems badass there but most say it sucked

 

[Cain]

They need to release a timeline soon, and is Final Crisis a good story?
Batman seems badass there but most say it sucked

TBH if you're a new reader don't bother. I LOVED that **** but it's because I've been reading DC comics for about 20 years at that point. So I was familiar with Kirby's 4th World and all of the series' he wrote and those characters. I was also familiar with Morrison's 7 Soldiers project.

So to me it was great cause it was a love letter and resolution to a lot of those concepts and themes. It was also a deconstruction on the state of DC at that time and the vampiric nature of the comics industry in general.

Very awesome since some of the villains are "living ideas" but I think it's just way too metatextual and downright weird for your average reader. I'd say pass and just read the Batman parts which you could see summed up in the Batman R.I.P. epilogue story.

 

[Lord]

I have been reading comics for some time but i mostly buy graphic novels with collections and some of the golden age comics but i was planing on starting collecting these events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_history_of_DC_Comics_crossover_events
and some of these too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_(DC_Comics)
That from what i see are most collected in graphic novels, i also read Green Lantern secret origin but couldn't read Emerald Dawn as i didn't really like the style, i'm going to try to get more into green lantern but i didn't know stories like kirby's 4th world were so important in Final Crisis.
Still i don't think it's a bad think as that event was more for those that were into DC comics for some years, and from what i understood it was also a good final battle against Darkseid

 

[hippie_hunter]

That's one thing that actually really confused and bugged me about JL#1. Is all of Batman's history supposed to take place in a five year period? He's had four Robins in five years?

It's assumed that Batman has at minimum a 10 or 11 year history in the DCnU. Although considering that the Killing Joke only took place three years ago in the DCnU, he still has gone through four Robins in three years (Jason, Tim, Stephanie, and Damian).

 

[SpideyForPrez]

It's assumed that Batman has at minimum a 10 or 11 year history in the DCnU. Although considering that the Killing Joke only took place three years ago in the DCnU, he still has gone through four Robins in three years (Jason, Tim, Stephanie, and Damian).

That's kind of what I assumed was the case. The JLA has only been around for five years but Batman's been operating longer. Even so, if he had been around for let's say 11 years, it's still a bit odd that it would take so long for him to run into any other heroes, and still be considered an urban myth. Especially if he had sidekicks, is Robin considered a myth as well? Kind of annoying, but when I read these books I'll just pretend that Batman's been around at least 11 years. Dick Grayson was Robin for 6 years, Jason Todd around 2, and Tim around a year and a half before Damian.

That's pretty much what I do with Marvel when I'm confused about the order of events. I just make up my own timeline to avoid getting headaches.

They need to release a timeline soon, and is Final Crisis a good story?
Batman seems badass there but most say it sucked

I read it somewhat recently while trying to catch up on Morrison's Batman run. I read some of the stories out of order and with big gaps in between which made it pretty confusing until I reread some of them. However I still found Final Crisis to be totally confusing as a mostly-new DC reader.

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

Didn't Detective say the Joker's been around for six years?

Isn't he canonically one of Batman's first opponents? The end of Year One?

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm confused, how is it possible for Geoff John's Green Lantern run to still be intact?

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I always assumed Dick was taken in by Bruce at the age of 10. Which would make Bruce at the absolute youngest 25 at the time. I think it's pretty much agreed upon that Dick is 27/28 or at the ABSOLUTE youngest around 26. That would make Bruce at least 40. Even if we bump it up a bit and assume Dick was a tad older, maybe 13 or 14, Bruce still has to be at the least 11 years older than him.

Forget about Dick for a minute, but we've got all those stories that other posters have mentioned such as long Halloween and Dark victory which take place over the course of at least 2 years.

I don't care what the writers at DC tell me. There's no way in hell Bruce is any younger than 38.

 

[CConn]

I think the more we try to solidify the continuity, the more confused we'll get.

Wait until about next year at this time, and see how it irons out then.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Remember, they still hadn't ironed out all the kinks from Crisis on Infinite Earths 10 or 15 years after it happened. Best to just not hold anything as 100% certain unless it's specifically mentioned in one of the new comics.

 

[Motown Marvel]

They need to release a timeline soon, and is Final Crisis a good story?
Batman seems badass there but most say it sucked

final crisis is amazing!! its not a story you can easily jump into though. there is stuff i'd suggest reading first in order to get the biggest impact from it.

 

[X Knight]

so....parts of the Death of Superman are still canon??

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That would seem to be the case based on Swamp Thing #1. Alec Holland talks about being dead and having to put his life back together, and Clark is like, "Yeah, I've been there."

 

[X Knight]

That would seem to be the case based on Swamp Thing #1. Alec Holland talks about being dead and having to put his life back together, and Clark is like, "Yeah, I've been there."

hmmm......thanks......

maybe Superman's "death" at the hands of Doomsday is the "turning point" that transforms Clark from his Action Comics behavior into his more familiar behavior as "present day" Superman.......

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it'll be any one thing. Just the natural development of Clark's personality over many experiences. He'll probably slowly realize over time that naked intimidation and coercion aren't necessarily the best ways to approach every problem.

 

[X Knight]

I don't think it'll be any one thing. Just the natural development of Clark's personality over many experiences. He'll probably slowly realize over time that naked intimidation and coercion aren't necessarily the best ways to approach every problem.

I hope you're right......

I've got my fingers crossed......

 

[Spike_x1]

so....parts of the Death of Superman are still canon??

Parts of the Death & Return of Superman were already pretty fuzzy to fit into continuity even before Flashpoint, after the birthing matrix was erased from continuity, which was where Hank Henshaw got Clark's DNA from to make the organic parts of his body. And the parts of him that were made of Kryptonian alloys and technology sure don't look like the movie universe's crystal machinery that they've been throwing into the comics for the past few years to me. And God only knows how the Eradicator has fit into continuity since stuff started to get jumbled around that time.

So I think we can safely say that Superman and Doomsday fought to the death at one point in the DCnU, but a lot of the exact specifics of the event and what happened afterward very likely didn't happen the way they were originally written.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm confused, how is it possible for Geoff John's Green Lantern run to still be intact?

Johns' Green Lantern run for the most part holds on its own.

 

[KRIM]

I found this page to be very helpful in keeping track of the semi-reboot.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

This is a total mess. DC has failed again. They will never learn.