Such a poser: Thunderbolts* Spoiler discussion

Haha oh yeah they threw Taskmaster in some of those trailers and spots. I had a feeling she would be killed because the character wasn't well received.
 
Debating when I will want to see it again. The credit scene created great speculation that I haven't felt in awhile watching MCU. I will rooting for Avengerz over that Sam Wilson team so far because I know his lam sidekick and that little Widow are probably on his team. I expected Galactus to win in F4, he shouldn't be beaten in the 1st appearance. I can't see the F4 looking good in the situation, they leave their planet to die or they make a deal with Galactus to spare their universe maybe for another.
 
Yeah, Taskmaster getting nuked right away was super awkward. Is there a real world reason for that or? Why was she even there?


Anyway, don't feel like writing a spoiler free review, word vomit is more my style. :up:

Speaking of that scene, though. While I do appreciate the slow start, introducing the characters, which seems like a good starting point for people who can't be bothered to watch 2390.6 movies to catch up, whenever this comes out on blu, unless I feel patient that day, I'd probably start with Bucky flipping cars. (The limo getting flipped felt like the Joker's truck flipping in TDK, I loved it. And Buck being badass for once? Yes, please.) Maybe when Bob gets shot.

I don't know that I have a favorite character in this. I think they did a good job making the whole team feel like actual people (personally I didn't get that from most mcu movies I watched). I like the entire team, which is a first. Ghost maybe got the short end a bit?

Yelena is the star, along with Bob. He's a fantastic not-villain. Sad little droopy man. I wanted to give him a hug the whole damn time. Walker was the stand out of TFATWS, and I still like him here. His broken family felt like a natural progression, unfortunately. Quippy, jokey characters get on my nerves quick, but Red Guardian didn't annoy me at all. His scenes with Yelena got me, there was a single tear at the end there, yep. Bucky improved, he's not interesting when he's de-fanged. (The whole congressman nonsense is so out of left field, I'm gonna pretend that never happened.) Bucky's terrible hair also (slightly) improved in the post credits scene. Not sure why this is important, but it is. ...I wouldn't mind more Red Guardian and Winter Soldier scenes, there's something weirdly funny when they're together. Maybe it's because Bucky is kind of standoffish and Red Guardian adopts everyone on sight.

Every team-member got a laugh out of me at least once. This deserves its own paragraph.

The void actually felt creepy. That shadow-smear people left behind, wow. Did not expect that sense of dread; again, a first in a mcu movie for me. TWS, both the movie and the character come close, but since he's only a (enhanced) man, it's nowhere near as bad as this. Unless you're his target or standing too close to it, you could actually get away. Not here. (The little pinprick eyes are so cool.)

The team following Yelena into the void is easily my favorite part, including the 'group hug'.

I just want more of this team... without them having to share screentime with other heroes I don't care about, preferably. Give me a sequel, I don't care what they call themselves. I do think 'Thunderbolts' would make them stand out more. I don't want an Avengers movie, I want these guys. They're awesome.

(I didn't go alone, and had to sit through the credits after all. Why. Why is this a thing. Hate it.)
 
nachtschicht said:
Yeah, Taskmaster getting nuked right away was super awkward. Is there a real world reason for that or? Why was she even there?
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Like Suicide Squad - they wanted a surprise kill so they chose a rando. ANd like some have suggested, this gives them a way to introduce a more accurate version of the character.

Though at first I was like "oh...she'll heal and get right back up" and then she never did and I was like
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Primal Slayer said:
Like Suicide Squad - they wanted a surprise kill so they chose a rando. ANd like some have suggested, this gives them a way to introduce a more accurate version of the character.

Though at first I was like "oh...she'll heal and get right back up" and then she never did and I was like
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Oh right. Eh, I wish they'd just do it right the first time or stick with their version of characters.

For a surprise kill, it got absolutely no reaction. Maybe if she'd been around for five minutes instead of five seconds. She's around longer as a body. This was not worth the time it took to photoshop her into posters lol.
 
I think they finally retired the traditional Marvel Studios fanfare logo in the opening of the movies.
 
I hope they keep the Thunderbolts name after the next movie and introduce someone like The Punisher and Elektra, hell even Deadpool, into the mix. I'd love to see all of them interact.
 
I don't know if this is a spoiler, I didn't watch any trailers. But I love that Bucky still isn't the Idea Guy and just crashed the van into the building. Exactly what I'd expect from him lol. Got a laugh out of people, too.
 
Just watched the movie and absolutely loved it. It it home and felt it tackled the theme of mental health, the struggles and battles really well. Loved the metaphor or Bob punching the void, the group hug, and the maze of rooms and memories. Just amazing. Loved the meta humor and self parody.

It's one of those movies that goes beyond the typical cmb tropes and formula, makes you care about the characters and connects with the audience by giving us something to relate.

I feel like this could be the movie that saves the mcu in terms of quality - hopefully it can reach box office success and we get a trilogy out it - Thunderbolts trilogy, not New Avengers.

I'm the minority but the F4 reveal did nothing for me. I was more intrigued by the whole New Avengers vs Sam's Avengers, who's on the Sams Roster, and the space situation they mentioned.
 
Im not feeling this team of New Avengers. I feel like there needs to be on extra familiar face for it to pop. That post credit scene would have hit so much had She-Hulk shown up as the 6th member would have donee that
 
The movie is better off serving Sentry/Yelena.

I feel like Bucky/Red Guardian were mostly there so they could have more members in New Avengers, than just have Yelena/Walker/Ghost in the end and Bob which isn't even active based from the post credits. Red Guardian was also used to give Yelena more development but even without his presence, Yelena still would have been as fleshed out as Sentry. Bucky is a complete waste. It also doesn't make sense he is in a team "under" Valentina, not with his TV co star, Falcon*
 
I also found some of the costumes a bit unfinished or unpolished. Sentry's costume looked fine at first but when we got a close up of the details/linings of the costume, it looked like Valentina's team just finished the costume, during that day. It was kinda giving Project Runway. Also the hair styling was off.

The New AvengerZ costumes looked a bit cosplay too especially Bucky with the red star. It was clear those looks were just for 1scene so they didn't bother to make it look slick/expensive looking.
 
psylockolussus said:
The movie is better off serving Sentry/Yelena.

I feel like Bucky/Red Guardian were mostly there so they could have more members in New Avengers, than just have Yelena/Walker/Ghost in the end and Bob which isn't even active based from the post credits. Red Guardian was also used to give Yelena more development but even without his presence, Yelena still would have been as fleshed out as Sentry. Bucky is a complete waste. It also doesn't make sense he is in a team "under" Valentina, not with his TV co star, Falcon*
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Hard disagree. After Yelena, Bucky makes the most sense as he is the direct link to the Avengers being a successor to the original Captain America. Valenta is a villian and this team is made up of antiheroes that cant be trusted (at least not yet). Bucky being there to keep an eye on and to keep them in line works with what was set up

Im not a fan of Red Guardian but he at least had a character arc and direct tie to Yelena, making his inclusion fitting

Ghost is the one I felt desperately needed more character work. I dont remember much about her from AntMan and the Wasp but even that was pre-Snap so there is so much time accounted for when it comes to her and who she is today and what her motivations would be. Giving her a Void segment could have fleshed her out more bc its puzzling that they are trying to make her a thing going forward as part of this New Avengers and not end her story here
 
Bucky was completely overshadowed by Yelena and the government portion, during the first 30 minutes of the movie was just boring. The "lets get out of this base" was much more entertaining in the comparison. I feel like the people that Valentina was kill in that base (minus Taskmaster), was enough for the film but it was too small for an Avengers team reveal. They could have developed Walker/Ghost after they got out of that base rather giving Bucky/Red Guardian screentime.

Also Red Guardian's jokes were flat. They could have brought back Rachel Weisz's character for that heart to heart conversation, instead of having Red Guardian with his jokes every 15 minutes*
 
psylockolussus said:
Bucky was completely overshadowed by Yelena and the government portion, during the first 30 minutes of the movie was just boring. The "lets get out of this base" was much more entertaining in the comparison. I feel like the people that Valentina was kill in that base (minus Taskmaster), was enough for the film but it was too small for an Avengers team reveal. They could have developed Walker/Ghost after they got out of that base rather giving Bucky/Red Guardian screentime.

Also Red Guardian's jokes were flat. They could have brought back Rachel Weisz's character for that heart to heart conversation, instead of having Red Guardian with his jokes every 15 minutes*
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Bucky had a whole tv show before this and has been in multiple movies. He's appeared more than any other character on this team. We know him and he didnt need more. I felt he was utilized effectively. Yelena as the central character worked IMO so if she overshadowed anyone, well it was to the film's benefit
 
I would've liked a void scene for each of them, but it wouldn't have worked in the movie, they needed the focus at the end. And Ghost is just not present enough for a void scene so late in the movie. It should've been in the beginning like Walker's.


Forgot another moment that really worked for me. Is when the team stops and flips that huge chunk of concrete. It's kind of cliche and cheesy, but for some reason I didn't mind. How they slowly trickled in to help, in my head I actually went yes, more, come on, team! lol I wouldn't hang around just to applaud, but hey.
 
I thought the film was fine to solid.

I didn't have the same overwhelmingly positive response of fandom and critics , but , I thought it was decent.
 
The movie is good. The people that I was with enjoyed it. But a lot of the characters weren't just interesting to me, so I couldn't pass over the things I didn't like.
 
According to Jake Schreier apparently pre-writers strike, Taskmaster was not supposed to die (8:15 mark). So they were 2 weeks away from filming at that point before it got shut down, that means that Olga was intially going into the movie with thinking her role was completely different. But I guess once the strike ended Jake and the writers were reevalutating the script and I guess they felt they weren't any stakes and kinda bloodless, so that's why they decided to off her early on. Listening to him on this interview, he seems to feel kinda guilty about it lol. But he also mentioned that if they had put in some brand new character just to get killed, it wouldn't have really meant anything.

 
Venom 1988 said:
But he also mentioned that if they had put in some brand new character just to get killed, it wouldn't have really meant anything.
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To be fair, it didn't mean anything with Taskmaster either.
I thought it'd affect Yelena, even if just a little, but it never passed the "don't talk like that about her" line.
 
Taskmaster is still in the poster 😅



We knew the inevitable reveal that they would be the New Avengers and I understand the in universe logic of branding them the Avengers but do hope that the physical media brand remains as Thunderbolts.
 
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