Superman as a Christ figure?

[Fresh Prince]

Batman can be considered Moses. He saving a city being taken over by criminals.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Absolutely, it also reduces the role of the Kent's upbringing and the nuturing of a Rockwellian Smallville that should IMO be the paramount reason for Superman's stature.

Like how it was in "Adventures of Superman." Jor-El wasn't anywhere near prepared for the tragedy as the Jor-El of the first film. All he had were some plans on paper and a test rocket. Sending Kal-El away was literally a last second idea and act.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Can Batman be considered being a Moses type character?

 

[Ultraman Nexus]

Absolutely, it also reduces the role of the Kent's upbringing and the nuturing of a Rockwellian Smallville that should IMO be the paramount reason for Superman's stature.

Well it's both really. I'm not really in favor of swinging to the other extreme like Byrne for example who had Superman kind of dismiss his Kryptonian heritage as just the thing that made him Superman.

I see it as he gains his perspective and values from the Kents while still having a connection and even some degree of longing for Krypton but he's gonna be looking at Krypton from a human point of view. The way say someone who was raised most of their life in America but was actually born in another country or culture.

He would recognize the best aspects of Krypton (assuming he learns anything about it at all to whatever degree be it bits and peices or The Fortress or whatever) and feel some responsiblity to preserve them both for his own connection to his heritage and because he is the last son of Krypton.

They both play integral parts and Jor-Els impact and presence can be felt in ways that don't require him to be a burning bush or a floating head or a manipulative disembodied voice dictating destiny to his son.

 

[SuperDaniel]

^Great post. It should be a combination of both.

 

[sithgoblin]

Keep it secular. SR was way too on the nose.

 

[Angeloz]

Keep it secular. SR was way too on the nose.

Like "The Matrix"?

Angeloz

 

[afan]

Well it's both really. I'm not really in favor of swinging to the other extreme like Byrne for example who had Superman kind of dismiss his Kryptonian heritage as just the thing that made him Superman.

I see it as he gains his perspective and values from the Kents while still having a connection and even some degree of longing for Krypton but he's gonna be looking at Krypton from a human point of view. The way say someone who was raised most of their life in America but was actually born in another country or culture.

He would recognize the best aspects of Krypton (assuming he learns anything about it at all to whatever degree be it bits and peices or The Fortress or whatever) and feel some responsiblity to preserve them both for his own connection to his heritage and because he is the last son of Krypton.

They both play integral parts and Jor-Els impact and presence can be felt in ways that don't require him to be a burning bush or a floating head or a manipulative disembodied voice dictating destiny to his son.

Certainly as he gains knowledge (as he should) of Krypton and his parents he should embrace it. It's the designs and guidance of a godlike Jor-El and the "it is your fate and destiny" mumbo jumbo, that I have a disdain for.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Why?

Because there's been allegory used on Supes with both Jesus and Moses as the templates in the past.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Because there's been allegory used on Supes with both Jesus and Moses as the templates in the past.

Supes is more Christ. Maybe you can consider Batman as being Moses.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Like "The Matrix"?

Angeloz

Lol i still do not know why they had Neo act like a Christ figure.

 

[The Guard]

Neo acted like a Christ Figure because damn near every element of mythology was explored in The Matrix, and because it was the logical conclusion to the idea that he was a prophecied savior, etc. Neo was almost every basic element of a "hero quest" character rolled into one in that franchise.

Technically, Batman, if he ever comes back, will also be a something of a Christ Figure in his mythology. He sacrificed himself to save people, died, and will have been resurrected somehow.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Neo acted like a Christ Figure because damn near every element of mythology was explored in The Matrix, and because it was the logical conclusion to the idea that he was a prophecied savior, etc. Neo was almost every basic element of a "hero quest" character rolled into one in that franchise.

Technically, Batman, if he ever comes back, will also be a something of a Christ Figure in his mythology. He sacrificed himself to save people, died, and will have been resurrected somehow.

Great do we need all these heroes being like Christ?

 

[The Guard]

"Like Christ" is kind of relative. The Christ Figure is rampant in modern literature.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Jeez man. After awhile it gets tiring. Have just a Moses figure for once hej ust as popular.

 

[Angeloz]

Neo acted like a Christ Figure because damn near every element of mythology was explored in The Matrix, and because it was the logical conclusion to the idea that he was a prophecied savior, etc. Neo was almost every basic element of a "hero quest" character rolled into one in that franchise.

Technically, Batman, if he ever comes back, will also be a something of a Christ Figure in his mythology. He sacrificed himself to save people, died, and will have been resurrected somehow.

Give me a heart attack will you. For a moment I was thinking when did he die in the films. I know: the comics. By the way well said.

Jeez man. After awhile it gets tiring. Have just a Moses figure for once hej ust as popular.

Superman is one due to the sending him in a ship (a la a basket) to be looked after by someone else. Until he explores his heratige later in life. But be careful what you wish for. Because Moses was also a murderer and was exiled. Plus he was married to more than one woman including an Ethiopian. Which he refused to reject (at least that was in "The Ten Commandments" commentary).

Angeloz

 

[Ultraman Nexus]

If there is any Christ, Moses or other religious allegory to be made let the audience come to that themselves if they wish rather than beating the audience over the head with it in this sort of Passion of the Kal-El style that SR did.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

If there is any Christ, Moses or other religious allegory to be made let the audience come to that themselves if they wish rather than beating the audience over the head with it in this sort of Passion of the Kal-El style that SR did.

Hahahahaha

 

[Fresh Prince]

If there is any Christ, Moses or other religious allegory to be made let the audience come to that themselves if they wish rather than beating the audience over the head with it in this sort of Passion of the Kal-El style that SR did.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Give me a heart attack will you. For a moment I was thinking when did he die in the films. I know: the comics. By the way well said.



Superman is one due to the sending him in a ship (a la a basket) to be looked after by someone else. Until he explores his heratige later in life. But be careful what you wish for. Because Moses was also a murderer and was exiled. Plus he was married to more than one woman including an Ethiopian. Which he refused to reject (at least that was in "The Ten Commandments" commentary).

Angeloz

So what God killed people too.

 

[That person]

After reading this thread, I'd have to say that the analogies should be present, but subtle.

 

[BestGirl]

Supes is more Christ. Maybe you can consider Batman as being Moses.

Batman's early life doesn't really resemble Moses's though. Find a biblical figure whose parents were murdered when he was young and he grew up to pursue a kind of vengeance mission and that's closer to Batman.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I have no idea how Batman is like Moses. He might be more comparable to King David, by uniting Gotham (Israel) and waging war on the criminals (Philistines). But even that is sketchy.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I have no idea how Batman is like Moses. He might be more comparable to King David, by uniting Gotham (Israel) and waging war on the criminals (Philistines). But even that is sketchy.

How?

 

[notinagoodmood]

I don't think Superman should be a Christ figure