Superman's power level

Discussion in 'Man of Steel' started by elgaz, Feb 18, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. DarthAlani

    DarthAlani Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2007
    Messages:
    936
    Likes Received:
    0
    Superman should be able to do the following:

    - Be faster than light
    - Be able to lift Thousands of Tons with ease
    - Not require food, water, air or rest
    - Only be vunerable to kryptonite
     
    #51
  2. Kal-El.9859

    Kal-El.9859 Trust No One

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Messages:
    11,872
    Likes Received:
    0
    And magic
     
    #52
  3. DarthAlani

    DarthAlani Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2007
    Messages:
    936
    Likes Received:
    0
    Keep magic out of the film
     
    #53
  4. raybia

    raybia Signing off

    Joined:
    May 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,660
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sounds pretty good.

    First of all, Superman should be more powerful than any other Superhero on film to date.

    He should not have the ability to time travel. Thats cheating.

    His power capacity should be unknown as the older he gets and longer he is naturally exposed to the sun his powers slowly but surely continue to increase.

    He should go up against a villian that is as or even more powerful than him.

    However powerful he is, he should have to exert himself.

    Snyder should check out S: TAS for tips.

    Oh, and for a really cool scene, Superman should find out he doesn't need air only after running out of it while in Space.
     
    #54
  5. Kurosawa

    Kurosawa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    Superman was VASTLY underpowered in S:TAS and if he is restricted to those levels, he will look extremely inferior not only to the version in the Reeve movies, but to Thor as well. S:TAS is a prime example of the old saying: "Never trust Batman guys with Superman."
     
    #55
  6. raybia

    raybia Signing off

    Joined:
    May 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,660
    Likes Received:
    0
    Really? Give me some examples. I definitely don't think Superman should be as powerful as he was Pre-Crisis. I do like the idea though that his limits are unknown, even to him and that he is really constantly getting more and more powerful.
     
    #56
  7. The Sage

    The Sage The World's Finest

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2004
    Messages:
    47,068
    Likes Received:
    0
    The hightlighted part is something that should be remembered. And why S:TAS? Superman in that show was pretty de-powered. I'd recommend the second season of the Justice League and the Justice League Unlimited for examples on how powerful Superman should be.

    For instance...

    [YT]MUu4ArJyZcs[/YT]
     
    #57
  8. Kal-El.9859

    Kal-El.9859 Trust No One

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Messages:
    11,872
    Likes Received:
    0
    I didn't say I wanted it in the film just stating he should be vulnerable to magic
     
    #58
  9. Kurosawa

    Kurosawa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,485
    Likes Received:
    0

    S:TAS was Byrne-level and could not compete with Marvel heavyweights. Thor or Hulk would destroy that character. Thor especially.

    Now who knows how powerful movie Thor will be-although he has to be at least a match for the movie Hulk.

    People who understand and can write him correctly know that his power level is not an issue to making the character interesting. When people say they feel Superman is too powerful to write interesting stories with, they are actually making excuses for their own failures to handle the character. Superman could move planets but he couldn't change what is inside the hearts of men like Luthor or stop the evil heartless androids like Brainiac with just power alone. Superman's world is about morality and decisions. This is what makes him so interesting-that he is a moral, altruistic man in an ever more selfish and cruel world.
     
    #59
  10. KRIM

    KRIM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    3,661
    Likes Received:
    0
    Considering they are in two completely different universes and will never be matched up, I don't see the difference. Why bother getting sidetracked with unrelated properties? The focus should always be on the character. Whatever adjustments are made should be dictated by the direction for the series.

    That's all well and good but that does not address the issue of physical dispute, which inevitably has to be dealt with. A Superman that can easily move planets has limited foes, plain and simple. You've immediately ignored practically every single one of his main villains. As much as you'd like to believe the opposite, there is such a thing as overabundance of power. If it is not required to handle the majority of the threats he faces, it is absolutely useless. This is not to suggest he should be underpowered. But it should be sufficiently balanced across the range of abilities his adversaries possess. There is no drama and excitement with a battle that is one-sided and easily finished.
     
    #60
  11. Kurosawa

    Kurosawa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    His classic power level never seemed to be a problem for writers like Jerry Siegel, Otto Binder, Elliot S! Maggin, Cary Bates, or Alan Moore to handle. The idea that a supremely powerful Superman cannot be challenged is a Post-Crisis canard. Superman was constantly challenged on any number of levels when he was at his most powerful. Only poor writers with a lack of imagination past that of the mindless slugfest have issues dealing with him.

    Watering Superman down so as to make him more easily handled by bad writers is not a good way to approach the character.

    Elliot S! Maggin explains it best:

     
    #61
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2011
  12. KRIM

    KRIM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    3,661
    Likes Received:
    0
    This isn't a question of competence. You are literally setting up the impossible. Most of Superman's most interesting and cinematic villains are not nearly on the level of challenging someone who can move entire planets. That's like pitting a lion against an ant. There's nothing to work with.

    I have to ask what is your inherent issue with a Superman that is still very powerful, but not to the realm of cosmic.
     
    #62
  13. SatEL

    SatEL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    0
    When it comes to Superman powerlevel no one should ever have to check out S:TAS, that was just ridiculous as to just how weak he was. *Shudders* at the idea at Superman needing a space suit to breath in space.............no thank you.
     
    #63
  14. SatEL

    SatEL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,833
    Likes Received:
    0
    Even JL animated Superman was to weak that's why they threw in that scene with Darkseid at the end because fans complained about the way Superman was treated on the show. In fairness all the heroes where a **** load weaker than their comic counterpart. If people want to use an animated Superman as a references to strength the death of Superman movie is a good example of a kick ass Superman in animated form.
     
    #64
  15. Lead Cenobite

    Lead Cenobite Exquisitely Empty

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    4,056
    Likes Received:
    1
    I agree, and he struggled too much to lift anything heavier than a car. He just barely saved the plane in the pilot movie. He didn't stop it from crashing, just made the crash less catastrophic really.
     
    #65
  16. The Sage

    The Sage The World's Finest

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2004
    Messages:
    47,068
    Likes Received:
    0
    Superman in JL showcased his strength well, particularly in his bouts with Darkseid, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom, Mongul. I wouldn't mind him being stronger, but he was a great deal stronger than he was in S:TAS.
     
    #66
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2011
  17. Superwoman Prime

    Superwoman Prime Damaged Beyond Repair

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2005
    Messages:
    12,088
    Likes Received:
    0
    You mean Captain Marvel.
     
    #67
  18. TruerToTheCore

    TruerToTheCore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,936
    Likes Received:
    0
    Lex Luthor, Brainiac or Mongul (here's some irony for you: Pre-Crisis Mongul was STRONGER than Superman, Post-Crisis they had about the same power) are not capable of challenging Superman?
     
    #68
  19. The Sage

    The Sage The World's Finest

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2004
    Messages:
    47,068
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thank you. :p
     
    #69
  20. Sam

    Sam Im Always Around

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2005
    Messages:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    0
    ^ No.
     
    #70
  21. KRIM

    KRIM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    3,661
    Likes Received:
    0
    Please read. I said 'most' not 'none'. Again, I'll ask what is the fascination with being so powerful as to move planets?
     
    #71
  22. Pumpkin_Bomb

    Pumpkin_Bomb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    622
    Likes Received:
    0
    Honestly, the power I've always felt should be downplayed with Superman is his speed. When it's combined with his other powers, it really makes him seem too untouchable, like not even his super-powerful rogues should stand a chance. IMO, there never should have been any question as to whether or not he's faster than the Flash, since speed is the Flash's whole shtick. That's one thing I've liked about how he's portrayed in the animated series' and movies.

    Obviously though, he doesn't need to be strong enough to move planets either, but I'm fine with him having extremely high-level strength, as long as it doesn't mean he never faces anyone or thing that can actually threaten him.
     
    #72
  23. elgaz

    elgaz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    3,759
    Likes Received:
    2
    Almost forgot I posted this thread lol.

    Some very interesting replies and it's given me food for thought :)

    Personally speaking, I'd like to see the following:

    Superstrength - Strong enough to lift a mountain. Anything heavier is possible, but just like a human straining with heavier things, it will take a lot of effort. Superman himself may not even be aware of what his upper limit is. I think moving planets is a bit on the hard to believe side.

    Superspeed - I'd like this Superman to be able to move at almost the speed of light, but not surpass it. He can't totally defy physics. He can be in Metropolis one minute, and China the next if needed, but no ability to travel FTL and thus turn back time.

    Heat Vision
    - Again, Superman himself may not be aware of how strong his heat vision can be as he's never had to use it that strongly. He is basically one huge solar battery, so in effect his heat vision may be as hot as the sun itself if he focuses enough. On a 'normal' day, certainly strong enough to burn through most earth metals.

    Invulnerability
    - Like most incarnations of Superman, his skin should be totally impervious to knives/bullets. Rockets aren't a problem, neither are fire or bombs. A very strong bomb - atomic/nuclear - may knock him unconscious and wound him, but not kill him. As for surviving in space, I agree that he should be able to do it for days if he can hold his breath, but not indefinitely - he would need air at some point.

    Healing Power
    - something that's not really focused on a lot with Superman, as most people associate healing power + superhero with Wolverine. But Superman has a very advanced physiology, and thanks to the way his body absorbs solar radiation from our sun, he heals much faster than we do. I'd like to see cuts and the like healing within 20-30 secs depending on his energy levels.

    Super Breath - Like heat vision, he shouldn't even be aware of his upper limits. He can easily blow out fires and the like, and freeze anything up to the size of a small house, but I wouldn't like it taken to ridiculous levels - like freezing an entire ocean.

    All in all, I'd like his powers to be amazing and better than other superheroes on film. And I'd like to see Snyder explore this Superman who doesn't actually know how strong he is, how fast he can go, or what can kill him - because he's never been tested enough before.

    As for the argument that Superman's super speed effectively renders him unbeatable (he can basically overcome any villain in the blink of an eye if need be), that is a good point. I think the only way to get round that is for Superman's superspeed to be limited by 2 important factors :

    His surroundings - someone travelling at superspeed can cause a lot of damage to their surroundings - be it by generating a sonic boom, affecting the air pressure, having buildings/cars being damaged by the shockwaves of their movements. Remember Neo flying through the city to save Trinity in the Matrix sequel, and the cars flying into the air behind him? That's what Superman has to contend with in built up areas. So he has to limit himself greatly in order not to destroy human habitats (or humans!)

    Concentration - To superspeed and use his other powers simultaneously takes a great deal of concentration, so again Superman's speed may be limited greatly when also trying to engage someone using heat vision or superstrength.

    With regards to Kryponite .............. personally, I'm sick of it and it's an overused plot device. But I concede that there must be something out there which poses a threat to Superman, he can't be totally unbeatable. However I hope we don't see it used on a frequent basis (if at all) in the next film ....... there should be very little kryponite on earth, certainly not the amount that seems to exist in the Smallville universe.
     
    #73
  24. Kurosawa

    Kurosawa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    Conversely, what is the fascination for weakening Superman to a point where he is not substantially more powerful than characters like Thor or the Hulk? Or Green Lantern for that matter? An electric power cable pulled up from the street should not hurt Superman. Superman should not have to wear a mask to fly in space. He should be able to break the time barrier. Good writers can handle his power level, bad writers cannot. Why accept incompetence?
     
    #74
  25. KRIM

    KRIM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    3,661
    Likes Received:
    0
    Do you typically answer questions with more questions?
     
    #75
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"