Flying without obvious propulsion is nutty now? God I've heard everything. They'll let Marvel characters and Batman get away with ANYTHING but Superman gets to be scrutinized for every single aspect.
I personally didn't like how they toned down Marvel characters, 'cause didn't make any sense. At the beginning, Thor fought almost equal to Ironman, then he could easily beat Hulk, and kept himself really well against the alien invasion. In 'Thor' he was beating badly with Sif and the other against the Destroyer. The power-level vary too much.
Same with Hulk. But I can understand that Hulk boost his power while fighting, becoming more powerfull the angrier he gets.
Captain America was an excellent acrobat and could beat the crap out of the Hydras, in their own base and with desintegrating guns. In 'The Avengers' he was pretty much a lame version of his CA:TFA version. Got shot, blown up...
Batman gets pretty much the same treatment. He got punched, shot, biten, flamed and in TDKR, he will be broken. He is ****ed up, mentally and phisically. Batman cannot do everything, cannot beat anyone. He just can rely in his planning, his tactics and his brutality. There is no way Batman can beat Darkseid (an example that was made earlier on this thread), but can threat him to blown up half Apokalips with Radion bombs if he doesn't surrender.
Ah, double standards.
Not at all! I really like the earlier versions of each Superhero, 'cause with the years passing and the writing of the characters became more challenging, they made really crappy choices; overpowering them. To make them kid-friendly, almost childish and cartoonish with the beginning of the Silver-Age of the comics and the rebirth of the Superheroes.
Yeah they do tone them down alot, I bet Superman fans would have a fit if he was toned down as much as Thor or Hulk.
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I really don't understand people's misconception of this character.
Had a row last night with a friend who hates Superman. He just kept saying that it's like he thinks he's above everyone else because he's so all powerful and never wrong.
But I think that's the issue, and points to why Superman's power is critisized.
There are several incarnations of Superman. You are not wrong for wanting an overpowered Superman, and I think it would be more interesting the earlier approach of the character. Simple as that.
Other characters, who have just as much power, are not hated for it because nobody sees them as being 'above' anyone in the same way people percieve Superman.
Personally I don't believe that. I loved the toned down Martian Manhunter, the JLA:NF version of the Flash, GL and Batman. (now that i think about it, I loved the powerlevel of all superheroes in that movie). I understand (as was implied in Kingdom Come) that the older the characters get, they change. Batman gets older and weaker, so he must rely on technology and tactics more than ever. Superman becomes more powerfull cause he gets more years affected by the yellow sun radiation. GL gets more used to the ring and capable of creating more complex constructs (the emerald city and the emerald armor).
I think the more you can make an audience see that he doesn't see himself as above anything, and he's not some arrogant god imposing his morals on our world, the less it will matter how powerful he is.
It's not about Superman being a *****e. He could never be. He is everything we want to be, the Man of Tomorrow.
With regards to the scale of Superman's powers, I've already stated that I prefer a more powerful Superman to a less powerful one. There's a certain suspension of disbelief when you're watching films like this, and I think when Superman is involved - the biggest and strongest of them all - you have to take that disbelief just a little farther and allow yourself to enjoy what you're seeing onscreen, even if it's not wholly realistic.
I believe you can enjoy Supes even a lil' depowered.
He can fly. He can shoot fire from his eyes. He can move so fast that we appear motionless around him. He can freeze things with his breath. He can lift hundreds, maybe thousands of tons, and withstand pressures which would crush any human.
So if he can do all this, and Snyder has the opportunity to really, really explore these powers on screen and impress us with Superman's abilities, why not do it properly?
He can, so he cannot. I don't see it as an achievement he could get. "MAKING SUPERMAN MEGA AWESOMELY SUPERPOWERED!" Unlocked. Making him look awesome and impressive is a matter of direction, story and pase.
One thing I would like to see though is some understanding of what it's actually like being Superman, and having to control these powers. TAS did it well when they had him say something along the lines of "I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard" when he finally let loose against Darkseid. By all means, make him very powerful, but also show us that he HAS to rein it in on a daily basis in order not to damage or hurt the people and surroundings around him.
That's something Snyder can show, without making he able of lifting an island by himself. The golden-age Superman could lift cars with ease, destroy walls like they were made of paper and withstand a meteor clashing with him. He couldn't thou lift an island or a skycrapper, but could hold it or balance it.
Of course Superman should be his good old self. Like you said, people expect it with a movie like this. Nobody wants to see a depowered fragile Superman, especially now with Avengers kicking all sorts of spectacular ass in a very non-grounded way. People want and expect the same or more with the most powerful earthbound superhero around.
And yes, the technology is finally there enough to display what it means to be THE Superman, so not showing the full monty would be yet another wasted opportunity.
And it's Zack Snyder FCS!
I expect what's to be expected.
But in the end, The Avengers weren't really losing ground on the movie. Sooner than later, the bad guys will run out of Chitauri. They kicked a serious amount of ass, but didn't pose any real threat.
