Superman's power level

[craigdbfan]

Superman lifting a semi with one arm is like you or me lifting a 5 pound dumbbell with one arm so I don't think that is a good indication of just how powerful Snyder's Superman will be. But I think he will as powerful as most hope, Snyder will make sure Superman is the most powerful superhero on screen to date, some of his comments make me believe that.

It tells me a lot actually. It already tells me that he's stronger than the Superman in Returns who had to use two arms to lift a regular car.

(although I get Singer was doing an homage to the first Superman cover)

Same with the Daily Planet logo though.

Snyder's Superman from the sound of it is definitely a lot stronger than Returns. I'm sure he'll be doing a ton of more amazing feats.

 

[DarthAlani]

I don't think it ever was Big Thor. Marvel likes to power down their movie heroes for some reason.

 

[BigThor]

It tells me a lot actually. It already tells me that he's stronger than the Superman in Returns who had to use two arms to lift a regular car.

(although I get Singer was doing an homage to the first Superman cover)

Same with the Daily Planet logo though.

Snyder's Superman from the sound of it is definitely a lot stronger than any past film incarnation. I'm sure he'll be doing a ton of more amazing feats.

That doesn't mean Cavill's Supes is stronger than Routh's, let's not forget about Supes lifting an entire island made out of kryptonite.

Plus the only reason Supes is lifting that car with two hands and no one is because he's standing undering it not dragging it while flying.

I don't think it ever was Big Thor. Marvel likes to power down their movie heroes for some reason.

Honestly I'm ok with it, especially when you think about Thor and Hulk being in a "team setting" and what not.

I'm sure if they were in their own stand alone universes they would be much more powerful than they are in the MCU.

 

[Rust]

"It's hardly fair to compare Supes to movie Thor or Hulk, I'm pretty sure their powers had to be toned down for the sake of being on a "team"."

Yeah, pretty tired of the various comparisons since Avengers opened. And just the summer-blockbusters in general.

I did notice too that the HULK's strength might've been toned down in Avengers. I wont mind if Supes is as strong as that. Or that it varies somewhat and that he's not ridiculously strong. I'd like to see him put extra effort into extremely heavy objects / obstacles or when being forced to his knees by Zod.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah, pretty tired of the various comparisons since Avengers opened. And just the summer-blockbusters in general.

I did notice too that the HULK's strength might've been toned down in Avengers. I wont mind if Supes is as strong as that. Or that it varies somewhat and that he's not ridiculously strong. I'd like to see him put extra effort into extremely heavy objects / obstacles or when being forced to his knees by Zod.

Definately dude, it's getting pretty old and this is coming from an Avengers/Marvel fan.

I'm not a fan of any superheroes being so powerful that they never have to struggle with anything.

 

[Rust]

I'm not a fan of any superheroes being so powerful that they never have to struggle with anything.

I mean, Supes should still be freakishly strong, but lifting an aircraft carrier should at least produce sweat on his upper lip.

And if he DOES lift something huge, like a semi-truck, I really hope they put an effort into the FX regarding the whole gravity-thing. They never get that to look right. The objects always look weightless and they never get affected by the way they're handled. In SR the plane-sequence looked semi-real. When he stops it, the plane's nose caves in and the surface ripples due to the pressure. But if he put it onto the ground like that, I'm pretty sure the cockpit would break off with so much pressure on the nose.

Getting stuff like that correct, or more correct, would really create a much bigger impact regarding realism and just plain awesome imagery.

 

[BigThor]

I mean, Supes should still be freakishly strong, but lifting an aircraft carrier should at least produce sweat on his upper lip.

And if he DOES lift something huge, like a semi-truck, I really hope they put an effort into the FX regarding the whole gravity-thing. They never get that to look right. The objects always look weightless and they never get affected by the way they're handled. In SR the plane-sequence looked semi-real. When he stops it, the plane's nose caves in and the surface ripples due to the pressure. But if he put it onto the ground like that, I'm pretty sure the cockpit would break off with so much pressure on the nose.

Getting stuff like that correct, or more correct, would really create a much bigger impact regarding realism and just plain awesome imagery.

Yep heavy lifting has always been Superman's area of expertise, but lifting large air crafts should cause him to struggle somewhat.

Making the heavy lifting look fairly realistic instead of the usual "weightless" look it's also something I expect Snyder to bring to the table.

 

[Blue Sugar]

I don't know, I like part of that weightless look, it's part of what makes his feats look so impressive sometimes. Like when catching the helicopter in STM, it looks so easy which makes it wow for me. And I don't want them to go to realistic on the physics of Superman doing things.

But yeah bigger things should be more of a struggle, I hope we see both sides.

 

[DarthAlani]

A big hell know to the realistic lifting feats. It's a comic movie and the feats should be awe inspiring.

 

[Rust]

So you both prefer it looking as unrealistic as possible? Got it.

 

[Blue Sugar]

So you both prefer it looking as unrealistic as possible? Got it.

Not necessarily, it's not a black and white issue.

 

[Rust]

Not necessarily, it's not a black and white issue.

I thought I already suggested that.

 

[Blue Sugar]

I thought I already suggested that.

Yeah you did, but I think you want it to be a bit more on the realistic side than I do. Which doesn't automatically mean that I want it to be as unrealistic as possible as you seemed to assume.

It's not only not black and white, there is more than one shade in between too.

 

[Prime]

And if he DOES lift something huge, like a semi-truck, I really hope they put an effort into the FX regarding the whole gravity-thing. They never get that to look right. The objects always look weightless and they never get affected by the way they're handled.

Snyder said they were looking into that:

"Let me just say one thing about Superman: he can't do anything that's not a visual effect. He can walk around and talk, but if he's going to do something physical, that's a visual effect, because he's Superman.

"I think in the past people have tried to figure out how to do that with strings and putting cars on hydraulics and having him stand under it, but we're really trying to work on a way of doing this that really makes that feel real."

He added: "[We're] trying to understand the actual physics of what would have to happen for those things to happen. It just brings reality to that whole concept of picking up a car or whatever. That's gotta be completely based on reality."

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Ugh, completely?

 

[Blue Sugar]

Ugh, completely?

Yeah. I hope there is a nice balance.

 

[Prime]

Ugh, completely?

Who knows that was all (I think) he ever said on the subject. It was last year in March while promoting Sucker Punch. You can watch the interview here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a312121/zack-snyder-superman-fx-are-reality-based.html

 

[Blue Sugar]

Love his description of Amy Adams as Lois though!

And I also agree with the decision of putting Superman in a more real, less stylized world, but I don't think they need to go all the way with it when it comes to Superman and physics. Superman and the things his presence brings should be the wonder in a fairly mundane world.

 

[Fudgie]

Yeah. I hope there is a nice balance.

So do I. It's badly needed.

 

[BigThor]

That's why I said "fairly realistic" as in looking real enough to be believable and being awe inspiring at the same time.

 

[Rust]

I dont want Superman to be realistic per say. I want everything AROUND him to be as believable as possible in order for it to FEEL real for the bigger awe-inspiring impact.
That means the world around him including the "science" of picking up a truck so it actually looks like a 15.000 pound truck and not a plastic toy. Superman should not be affected by that, but the car probably would be by its own weight.

 

[Prime]

I dont want Superman to be realistic per say. I want everything AROUND him to be as believable as possible in order for it to FEEL real for the bigger awe-inspiring impact.
That means the world around him including the "science" of picking up a truck so it actually looks like a 15.000 pound truck and not a plastic toy. Superman should not be affected by that, but the car probably would be by its own weight.

This. And I really think that's what Zack was going for.

 

[Dr.]

I dont want Superman to be realistic per say. I want everything AROUND him to be as believable as possible in order for it to FEEL real for the bigger awe-inspiring impact.
That means the world around him including the "science" of picking up a truck so it actually looks like a 15.000 pound truck and not a plastic toy. Superman should not be affected by that, but the car probably would be by its own weight.

I'll add my to this. The basic fantasy pretext is, “what if Superman was real?” It’s not, “what if Superman was real… and the familiar objects and physics that Supes has to deal with behave differently?” I really think that “respecting physics” actually enhances the superfeats; it preserves the suspension of disbelief. (“Yep, if a man was strong enough to lift a tank, that’s how the tank would move around.” Etc.)

 

[Rust]

Exactly. How would it NOT be more immersive if you make it feel the more real. Which should be a given with the "What if...?"-approach it seems they're taking.

I wanna feel that power behind the extreme lifts and punches. I wanna be picked up and punched. Somewhat.
I wanna go "WHOA... I felt that!" like too few movies had done so far.

Same with the fighting. Superman is used to his powers, but he's never had to fight before, so they better make that somewhat chaotic, messy and brutal before they get a hang of it and get more strategic.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Hulk's strength was not lowered by any measure, in my opinion. No way. The Hulk, from what I saw, could handle the entire Chitauri Army by himself (with perhaps Iron Man aiding in air support).

So either the invaders were fragile brainless drones or Hulk was the superior being (in terms of strength) in the Milky Way Galaxy, at the time. I think it's a combination of both but Ima take the latter.