Teens kill Australian baseball player for fun

[Alex_Spider]

They are my wife's nieces....when their parents abandoned them, my wife's parents took them in (my wife is only a few years older than them) they all grew up like sisters. My wife and the one niece worked their way through college, became accredited teachers, were never into drugs or alcohol, and have stable nice homes. The other niece I described earlier.

Well I have to applaud your wife and her parents for caring enough and raising the sisters as their own children. Not many families do that.

For some reason I thought this might have been the case.

My history background: My biological father was most likely a criminal and abandoned my biological mother before she had me and I was sent away to be adopted.

Now there's two different ways somebody could react to this.

# 1 - I look up to my biological father, and try to emulate him, either because I want to or because I don't believe I deserve any better than to be him.

# 2 - I look down on my biological father to the point where I make a vow to never be anything like him at all.

I chose path # 2, but others just as easily choose path # 1. Here it seems like a nurture case, or at least I think so because # 3 is the fear of what would happen if I was not adopted into a Kent type household. It did kind of sound like the divergence could have come from something like that.

I am glad too you chose path #2 man.. That's the right thing to do.

Uhm, she was raised with my wife and her sister....why weren't they drug abusers too?

Well these issues are very sensitive and complicated to dwell into with this being personal to you and all that. As I said there are many types of encounters in life that shape our character like brick by brick. As for the drugs thing, I personally view drug abusers as sick and misguided people that are more susceptive than others, but I certainly cannot call them "bad" for doing so.
Anyway I will add what ultimate hero said too.

What do you know or what do they know about their biological parents? I'd say a large of it stems from that - emulating them or not emulating them. It could also be feeling misplaced in the home with your mother while the other did not, this often leads to similar outcomes. It's actually a common adoptee case and it gets all the more muddled to really study and analyze because its not the natural-study environment there are other factors at play which are harder to determine. It seems very text-book though with adoptees.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Australian-student-street-named-pictured.html

What a bunch of punks. Really hope they enjoy being in jail with a bunch of criminals and being passed around like candy.

 

[Alex_Spider]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Australian-student-street-named-pictured.html

What a bunch of punks. Really hope they enjoy being in jail with a bunch of criminals and being passed around like candy.

This sick social media bragging they used to do is making me wanna throw up. I mean you look at the poor victim's photos with his girlfriend and his passion for sports and you can clearly see he appreciated simple things in life. But what do his murderers lust for? Money and guns. : That's just sick and the advent of facebook and youtube doesn't help either.

 

[Ultimatehero]

What I find strange is:

Michael Jones, 17, is charged with use of a vehicle while a weapon was discharged and accessory after the fact of first degree murder. His bond is set at $1million. Jones said in open court today, 'I pulled the trigger', but the judge directed him to remain quiet.

Now I might be wrong, but he admitted to pulling the trigger yet he's only being prosecuted as an accessory? Who's the shooter? Him or the black guys? That just really stood out as really odd. Why would the judge tell him to be quiet?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

What I find strange is:



Now I might be wrong, but he admitted to pulling the trigger yet he's only being prosecuted as an accessory? Who's the shooter? Him or the black guys? That just really stood out as really odd. Why would the judge tell him to be quiet?

Maybe because the evidence doesn't point to him as the shooter. I'm sure as the prosecutor puts together their case, further charges could be forthcoming.

 

[Ultimatehero]

It just seems odd for some reason that they would dismiss a voluntary confession.

 

[Teelie]

People confess to crimes they didn't commit all the time. Even though he was involved it doesn't make him the shooter necessarily.

 

[squeekness]

This makes me sick. Little sociopaths. This is why even though I'm a liberal on most social issues, I'm still in favor of capital punishment.

I'm in favor of it only as long as you're absolutely certain, which seems to be the case here. Because this was a spree killing, I would have little difficulty giving them the death penalty here.

 

[Ant-manic]

I hope they still hang people in Oklahoma.

do you enjoy seeing people hung?

 

[Schlosser85]

Wouldn't bother me.

 

[terry78]

Uh-huh......

 

[Thundercrack85]

do you enjoy seeing people hung?

Hanged. And yes, if they deserve it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Hanged. And yes, if they deserve it.

"Hanged Ami, your father was not a tapestry." .

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

On a side note though I don't blame the kids as much as naive this sounds. This incident is a direct byproduct of the consumerist and stressful way of life in large cities. It is mathematical certain were we are led as a society. You can lock those kids in a cell forever, you can even sentence therm a death penalty, but the root of the problem will still remain.

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[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well thank you ****ing much America. Your yippie ****ing ki yay love of guns has killed one of my countrymen.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree with desensitization and i'm not a big conservative either. But i'm not stupid. If you listen to songs about murdering people all the time it's just going to push you into that life even more so than you might be inclinded to be. Why?

Because it glamorizes it...and this may be really hard for people outside of the hoods to understand, but when you are dirty poor and you got these rich dudes rapping about how they got all this ice and how much money they've got and how they just capped a couple guys and got away with it you can BET that life is gonna sound way better than the crappy day in and day out struggle they got right now.

So much of it in this thread and I'm only 3 pages in.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm falling into the category that these kids suffered from crappy parenting and were never taught right from wrong or a little common decency in being a human being.

 

[Schlosser85]

Just occasionally it's not the parents' fault.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I'm falling into the category that these kids suffered from crappy parenting and were never taught right from wrong or a little common decency in being a human being.

Manners are learned. And some rights and wrongs are taught by parents; such as don't lie or don't steal. But more fundamental morality is inate, like the clear wrongness in taking another human-being's life, because most of us are born with an empathetic core. Most of us feel guilt or sympathy if we cause someone else pain. I still think at least one of these kids (whichever hatched this plan and is the ring-leader) is a sociopath. Go out and harm or kill living things that have caused you no pain, just because you're bored. It's like what the kid in 'Good Son' would do.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I wonder about that.

I mean, you would think if humans were fundamentally empathetic, that the world wouldn't be such a lousy place.

I think at the end of the day humans are only fundamentally empathetic to those close to themselves, which is an extension of self-interest. Any greater altruism is just a fluke. A happy fluke, but a fluke nonetheless.

Of course these kids could just be psychopaths.

 

[Thundercrack85]

If anyone still cares, the three stooges were apparently white, black, and hispanic. So, now an idiot can rant against all three of those groups.

 

[Alex_Spider]

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Thank you for your zero contribution into this thread. Now read the below quote and come up with a valid argument.

I hope they still hang people in Oklahoma.

If a hanging will satisfy your sense of justice then ok. But as I posted earlier and no one commented, if you want true justice for all the killers and the murderers, then you should define what a murderer is.

By "mentally unstable" or "sociopaths" do you mean those of GE who are some of the biggest polluters of the environment and knowingly exposed their workers to carcinogens that caused their deaths, or those that manipulate money for profit without contributing to the well being of people's lives, or those who lend money for an automobile for example and if the person cannot pay off the last payment they do not take a tire and the steering wheel equivalent to the payment, they take the whole car? Or perhaps you may mean judges who put people in jail for life for killing over resources, yet the leaders of nations bomb and kill entire cities and countries for resources and to secure markets and then put statues in parks to honor the ones who carry out this procedure?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Oh I was just being glib. I'm fine with them being locked up for a half century or so. Though if someone shanked them, that'd be fine too.

But obviously if you take a life - in this case, for no reason at all, that should cost you something.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Oh I was just being glib. I'm fine with them being locked up for a half century or so. Though if someone shanked them, that'd be fine too.

But obviously if you take a life - in this case, for no reason at all, that should cost you something.

Of course they will have to pay for their actions. But it is foolish to just lock them up without analyzing all the psychological factors that breed those kind of kids and what pulled their trigger. I mean just look how they are bragging in the social media with the money and the guns. That's a dangerous behavior alone even if they didn't kill any one. Doesn't that tell us something about our societies corrupted idols and ambitions? Nothing to investigate here?

 

[SentinelMind]

My heart goes out the family of victims. Senseless tragedy.

I hope they still hang people in Oklahoma.

Why? What does that solve?

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I don't know why you felt this response was appropriate, esp for this thread?

Uh-huh......

I know exactly where you're coming from, terry.....I hear ya.

For some reason I thought this might have been the case.

My history background: My biological father was most likely a criminal and abandoned my biological mother before she had me and I was sent away to be adopted.

Now there's two different ways somebody could react to this.

# 1 - I look up to my biological father, and try to emulate him, either because I want to or because I don't believe I deserve any better than to be him.

# 2 - I look down on my biological father to the point where I make a vow to never be anything like him at all.

I chose path # 2, but others just as easily choose path # 1. Here it seems like a nurture case, or at least I think so because # 3 is the fear of what would happen if I was not adopted into a Kent type household. It did kind of sound like the divergence could have come from something like that.

I don't know the sisters in question, obviously, but I agree with Ultimatehero's assessment here. I don't support the darwinist arguments that someone was "predestined to do drugs" or "predestined to be a doctor."

People have different mannerisms, personalities, social disorders, but I think encouragement and relationships a child has at a young age can have a pivotal impact on the child's life and the path the child will go. We can't tell for sure if the wayward child would turn out the same if she had been raised by both loving biological parents.

Look up Duncan, Oklahoma on a map, it's not a large city, not even near a large city. Before this story you've probably never heard of it. These are three dip$#!+ rednecks that deserve to be raped the rest of their life in jail.

ok, but I think some if not all of those kids were members of Crips. That thug mentality from LA was having a reach into even more rural communities...and some kids may idolize that big city life. Think of suburban kids listening to old Ice Cube. Even if they never committed a felony, there's that implicit level of respect there.

These 3 gang members were going around threatening people for not joining the gang. A father of child living in neighborhood had to discourage his son from thinking of joining the gang. It goes to show how critical it is to have involved parents. Lot of these criminals grow up in broken homes.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ma...his-son-was-next/story-fni0fiyv-1226700172461