The 2012 CBS/National Journal Republican Presidential Debate

[hippie_hunter]

According to Michelle Bachmann, the ACLU has taken over the CIA.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bachmann makes a promise to repeal Obamacare in a debate about foreign policy.

 

[enterthemadness]

According to Michelle Bachmann, the ACLU has taken over the CIA.

^_^ it's a conspiracy!!! Run!!!!!!

I just YouTube the Ron Paul highlights again...

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

According to Michelle Bachmann, the ACLU has taken over the CIA.

at least she didn't blame the jews.

but ACLU and CIA are both acronyms so she might be onto something.

 

[enterthemadness]

Ron Paul was robbed again. Let the man talk...

 

[Franklin Richards]

I lost what little respect I had for Romney.

"If Barack Obama is re-elected, Iran WILL have a nuclear weapon."


Really Mitt?

 

[Prison Mike]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I liked Perry's idea of bringing the foreign aid balance back to zero and have the countries justify why they need it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I lost what little respect I had for Romney.

"If Barack Obama is re-elected, Iran WILL have a nuclear weapon."


Really Mitt?

Honestly, I think he's right in this regard. Obama's policy towards Iran has been nothing but a joke. He's had a lot of successes, really big successes like Libya, crippling al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliates, actually paying attention to China as opposed to the Bush Administration just completely ignoring them, preventing war between India and Pakistan, etc. But he's also had his share of miserable failures, Iran is one of them.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Seems like more fear mongering like saying if you elect Obama there will be another 9-11.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Seems like more fear mongering like saying if you elect Obama there will be another 9-11.

But Obama has clearly proven that he is pretty damn good when it comes to national security. I am far more willing to bet that another 9/11 will not happen under Obama's watch.

Obama's actions with Iran on the other hand are rather pitiful. From the Iranian government rebuking his advances of friendship, to the Department of Justice probably being a little too quick in accusing the Iranian government of attempting to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the United States, and making no progress (if anything it appears to have gotten worse) in regards to Iran's nuclear ambitions. At the current rate, if Iran is indeed attempting to obtain nuclear arms, it will happen by Obama's second term if things do not change.

It really comes down to his actions. To say that the United States is a less effective militarily to confront terrorist threats under Obama would be absurd, because Obama's actions have proven that it isn't considering how Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki were killed under his orders and threats have been confronted. In some areas he has proven to be effective. But when it comes to other areas such as his policy towards Israel/Palestine or Iran, such claims can be made because in these areas, he's kind of a joke.

 

[bunk]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I liked Perry's idea of bringing the foreign aid balance back to zero and have the countries justify why they need it.

I have a feeling Israel wouldn't be included in this.

 

[DACrowe]

Obama got sanctions on Iran which is more than Bush could ever achieve and also had the CIA hack into their nuclear program and plant a worm.

The fact is Iran is determined to get nuclear weapons and neither American diplomacy nor sanctions from either party's leadership will dissuade them. With that said, the GOP's answer....land invasion, strikes me as stupid and foolhardy as the Bushies bungling into a decade of war in Iraq....only Iran can actually fight back against the initial invasion. I'd rather take the surgical and precise smart power of the Obama Administration over all the non-Paul candidates clear necoconservative bumbling. And yes, that includes Romney's fearmongering on the issue.

 

[DACrowe]

such as his policy towards Israel/Palestine or Iran, such claims can be made because in these areas, he's kind of a joke.

See my previous post on Iran. Israel/Palestine? Bibi has no honest interest in a peace accord with Palestine and as long as he's in power, there is no where to progress in that part of the world. Period.

Most likely when he's finally gone Palestine will have swung back to the extremism of a fully-reinstated Hamas and we'll still be back to square one.

 

[SentinelMind]

I think this is a good preview of this upcoming debate.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/48611e3625/live-funny-or-die-in-2012?rel=by_user

 

[hippie_hunter]

See my previous post on Iran. Israel/Palestine? Bibi has no honest interest in a peace accord with Palestine and as long as he's in power, there is no where to progress in that part of the world. Period.

Most likely when he's finally gone Palestine will have swung back to the extremism of a fully-reinstated Hamas and we'll still be back to square one.

There will be no peace as long as both Likud and Hamas are in power in both Israel and Palestine. But Obama has no idea in how to deal with Bibi.

Netanyahu needs to learn that there are consequences for his actions and instead after being "stern" with him, he pretty much goes up to bat for him due to the political consequences. While punishing the Israeli government for their transgressions and disrespect towards the United States government would hurt Obama in the short term for a little while, it would have major benefits in the long run.

While he would be perceived to have an Israel problem, most people just aren't going to care. And it would have been a wise thing to spend some political capital on.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think this is a good preview of this upcoming debate.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/48611e3625/live-funny-or-die-in-2012?rel=by_user

1. Mike Tyson as Herman Cain is freaking genius.

2. "I'm going to be your next President....so you might as well get used to it." I've been telling myself that for a while now. It's very depressing. I have to tell myself for the upcoming Mitt Romney bio-film that we'll get Bruce Campbell in the role to cheer myself up

3. Marcus Bachmann isn't fooling anyone.

 

[DACrowe]

There will be no peace as long as both Likud and Hamas are in power in both Israel and Palestine. But Obama has no idea in how to deal with Bibi.

Netanyahu needs to learn that there are consequences for his actions and instead after being "stern" with him, he pretty much goes up to bat for him due to the political consequences. While punishing the Israeli government for their transgressions and disrespect towards the United States government would hurt Obama in the short term for a little while, it would have major benefits in the long run.

While he would be perceived to have an Israel problem, most people just aren't going to care. And it would have been a wise thing to spend some political capital on.

You're right, Obama should use his superpower influence on Netanyahu...but he won't like no American politician will because they know they can't be reelected. After his first meeting with Bibi, Bill Clinton came out saying "Who is the ****ing superpower here?!" but he put his hat in hand and sucked up to Bibi to get him to the table with Arafat...it kind of worked. But ultimately not, because despite being the one with all the cards in this situation the US refuses to play any of them out of fear of the political consequences at home. It is kind of absurd when you think about that. Romney promises more of the same in that regard, albeit he won't ask Bibi to even pretend consideration of peace.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Obama would easily survive challenging Israel's transgressions if he had enough political capital. In the end, most voters care about the economy first and foremost. Israel wouldn't even make it in a top 10 list of voter's concerns. It would probably cost some Jewish votes, but they're becoming less and less of a reliable Democratic constituency anyways.

But the rewards would be enormous. Imagine if he were able to create peace between the two factions. It would cause some short term hurting, but the long term.....is unfathomable potential.

However what we have here is someone who just doesn't know how to deal with it at all. At least when Bush was President, Israel knew who was in charge. When Clinton was in charge, Bill Clinton made damn well that Israel knew who the ****ing superpower was despite Clinton and Netanyahu having a rather poor relationship. Here we have Obama fracturing the relationship with one of the few reliable allies that we have in the Middle East while at the same time, allowing Netanyahu do whatever the hell he pleases while giving billions of dollars a year in aid, despite the massive amounts of disrespect Netanyahu shows towards the United States. It's just mind boggling.

 

[SV Fan]

Israel wouldn't even make it in a top 10 list of voter's concerns.

If somebody came out and said we aren't going to be Israel's B***h, they would win brownie points from me. lol

Just watching somebody like Bachmann talk about how important Israel is gets annoying as hell(I totally fear her behind a nuclear button because she would want to set off Armageddon)

 

[hippie_hunter]

If somebody came out and said we aren't going to be Israel's B***h, they would win brownie points from me. lol

Well, when I run for President, you can know that I will not allow the United States to be Israel's *****

 

[SV Fan]

Well, when I run for President, you can know that I will not allow the United States to be Israel's *****

I wish there are more candidates running on a platform of get lobbyists out of Washington(so far only Buddy Roemer(who sadly gets left out fo the debates since he doesn't push the republican agenda) is the only guy I seen run on the issue of get money out of Washington). The Israel lobbyists are some of the worst ones. Sadly Obama seemed to run on a get lobbyists out of Washington early in his race for Democrat primary but dropped that as soon as he won the spot(and even worse seems like a lot of people in his cabinet were pro-lobby guys).

Obama's anti lobby flip flop would be an easy way to attack him(well if it wasn't for the fact most of the Republican candidates would look like hypocrites for being pro lobbyists themselves)

 

[Marx]

I lost what little respect I had for Romney.

"If Barack Obama is re-elected, Iran WILL have a nuclear weapon."


Really Mitt?

Honestly, I think he's right in this regard. Obama's policy towards Iran has been nothing but a joke. He's had a lot of successes, really big successes like Libya, crippling al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda affiliates, actually paying attention to China as opposed to the Bush Administration just completely ignoring them, preventing war between India and Pakistan, etc. But he's also had his share of miserable failures, Iran is one of them.

Seems like more fear mongering like saying if you elect Obama there will be another 9-11.

I agree Messiah. It's nothing more than the same sad fear-mongering that W. Bush and company employed. People are tired of it. While it is true that President Obama's stance on Iran has been "interesting" to say the least, Iran will not gain a nuclear weapon under an Obama presidency.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Obama can succeed if he makes necessary changes towards his Iran policy. And hopefully he does.

But at the current rate, Iran is just waiting to be a massive embarrassment for the Administration.

 

[Marx]

According to Michelle Bachmann, the ACLU has taken over the CIA.

Wait...what?

Bachmann makes a promise to repeal Obamacare in a debate about foreign policy.

She also said that SHE would bring back $2 a gallon gasoline if she were president. She'll say anything if it meant getting one more vote.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: CNN FACT-CHECKS CBS GOP DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/13/cnns-truth-squad-takes-on-gop-debate-2/