The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Video Game Thread - Part 3

[Tim]

Dude, that's what they do with games, they touch them up make the textures look better.

It wasn't the textures that looked bad, it was the overall game. It had next to no AA in the scenes where you saw cars and the car models were overall very last gen.
And you usually don't have graphic jumps THAT big. I'm assuming you buy the PS3/360 version and are thus in denial mode? It was clear since the announcement that the PS4/X1 versions would perform and possibly look superior, that's how it has always been with Spider-Man games.

 

[Spider-man95]

It wasn't the textures that looked bad, it was the overall game. It had next to no AA in the scenes where you saw cars and the car models were overall very last gen.
And you usually don't have graphic jumps THAT big. I'm assuming you buy the PS3/360 version and are thus in denial mode? It was clear since the announcement that the PS4/X1 versions would perform and possibly look superior, that's how it has always been with Spider-Man games.

Denial? No not at all . There's no need to be rude.
You just have no evidence to support your claims that's all.

Show me where Beenox said what you claim.

The fact that the trailer you claim to be the PS4/Xbox One version looks very similar to the first game's graphics tells me the 360/PS3 can handle what was in the trailer.

Trust me, they will look very similar and the "next gen" version will probably have anti-aliasing and be true 1080p. But it won't be a big a difference as you think. You have to understand that this game was highly likely made for the 360/PS3 and will be ported to next gen systems. The recent video on that Canadian website that showed a Beenox member testing the game with a 360 controller shows that its very likely they made it for the 360/PS3. If they made it for next gen then we wouldn't have a 360 or PS3 version available, like Arkham Knight, it's only on next gen systems because it was made for next gen systems only. Same for Infamous: Second Son it's not on the PS3 because it was made for the PS4.

If I'm wrong, fair enough. But it doesn't seem that way.

 

[Bullern]

Denial? No not at all . There's no need to be rude.
You just have no evidence to support your claims that's all.

Show me where Beenox said what you claim.

The fact that the trailer you claim to be the PS4/Xbox One version looks very similar to the first game's graphics tells me the 360/PS3 can handle what was in the trailer.


It was the textures, take a look:

Now calm down and stop the fight over the graphics. We should not worry about the graphics for now. Even if Beenox have confirmed that the teaser is last gen and gameplay trailer is next-gen or not, it is too early to make a judgement until we have seen the walkthrough trailer.
Besides, we should be more concerned whether the gameplay can be a worthy successor to Spider-Man 2 or not. And most likely the graphics in the gameplay trailer are next-gen. And it is completely possible to improve the graphics from the first trailer on the 360/PS3. Besides, the trailers does not always show the final product. Just look at GTA V. The trailers show different graphics than the one used in the final release, even the graphics there was a little toned down.

 

[Spider-man95]

Now calm down and stop the fight over the graphics. We should not worry about the graphics for now. Even if Beenox have confirmed that the teaser is last gen and gameplay trailer is next-gen or not, it is too early to make a judgement until we have seen the walkthrough trailer.
Besides, we should be more concerned whether the gameplay can be a worthy successor to Spider-Man 2 or not. And most likely the graphics in the gameplay trailer are next-gen. And it is completely possible to improve the graphics from the first trailer on the 360/PS3. Besides, the trailers does not always show the final product. Just look at GTA V. The trailers show different graphics than the one used in the final release, even the graphics there was a little toned down.

You're correct, graphics are not the most important thing.

However, I'm very sure that this game was built for the 360/PS3 and then ported to the next gen systems.

Oh and welcome to the Hype!

 

[Tim]

Denial? No not at all . There's no need to be rude.
You just have no evidence to support your claims that's all.

Show me where Beenox said what you claim.

The fact that the trailer you claim to be the PS4/Xbox One version looks very similar to the first game's graphics tells me the 360/PS3 can handle what was in the trailer.

Trust me, they will look very similar and the "next gen" version will probably have anti-aliasing and be true 1080p. But it won't be a big a difference as you think. You have to understand that this game was highly likely made for the 360/PS3 and will be ported to next gen systems. The recent video on that Canadian website that showed a Beenox member testing the game with a 360 controller shows that its very likely they made it for the 360/PS3. If they made it for next gen then we wouldn't have a 360 or PS3 version available, like Arkham Knight, it's only on next gen systems because it was made for next gen systems only. Same for Infamous: Second Son it's not on the PS3 because it was made for the PS4.

If I'm wrong, fair enough. But it doesn't seem that way.

I'm not talking about the Spider-Man model/textures, that's the ONE thing they'll always make sure looks good because you constantly see it.

Here's your proof: Teaser was 360/PS3
https://***********/BeenoxTeam/status/389081464802799616

Beenox ‏@BeenoxTeam Oct 12
Here's the *in-game teaser* of the The Amazing Spider-Man 2 game, running on *current gen* hardware: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/10/12/nycc-the-amazing-spider-man-2-video-game-announced …

I told you again, look at the teaser and trailer and compare them both. It's pretty clear that the trailer has to be next gen and the teaser is old gen, comparison shots just for you:

Look at the jaggy edges on the car or pedestrian (or everywhere else), that's the PS3/360 version 100% because 95% of the games on there have non-existant or crap anti-aliasing. Or the lackluster fire particle effects.

Look at the detail of the character (PS3/360):

Look at the detail of the character here (PS4/X1):

I could go on but it's hard to find matching scenes in both trailers where you could bring up a comparison. Like I said, you can't really compare the suit because that's what they focus on the most due to you seeing it 24/7 and it looked top notch in TASM1 and it will without a doubt look top notch this time too (on both old and current/next gen).


//EDIT:
Nevermind, just F*** it. Sorry if I sound harsh etc. I'm just tired and I want to read/talk about the game but Beenox doesn't release anything we could talk about. I have this topic open constantly when I'm on the PC and refresh it every few minutes or so with the hopes of finding a discussion about something or new info :S

 

[Spider-man95]

I'm not talking about the Spider-Man model/textures, that's the ONE thing they'll always make sure looks good because you constantly see it.

Here's your proof: Teaser was 360/PS3
https://***********/BeenoxTeam/status/389081464802799616


I told you again, look at the teaser and trailer and compare them both. It's pretty clear that the trailer has to be next gen and the teaser is old gen, comparison shots just for you:

Look at the jaggy edges on the car or pedestrian (or everywhere else), that's the PS3/360 version 100% because 95% of the games on there have non-existant or crap anti-aliasing. Or the lackluster fire particle effects.

Look at the detail of the character (PS3/360):

Look at the detail of the character here (PS4/X1):

I could go on but it's hard to find matching scenes in both trailers where you could bring up a comparison. Like I said, you can't really compare the suit because that's what they focus on the most due to you seeing it 24/7 and it looked top notch in TASM1 and it will without a doubt look top notch this time too (on both old and current/next gen).

They could easily touch up those models.

There's still no proof. I asked for confirmation on both your claims.

I know the teaser was current gen, but I also asked for evidence that the January trailer was next gen. Where's the proof?

Look, you can have your opinion, of course you can, but don't call opinions fact. We don't know if there's a difference yet, so let's wait for the walkthrough trailer before we make such claims.

I also see that you ignored that this game was most likely built for current gen and ported to PS4 and Xbox one.

 

[Spider-man95]

//EDIT:
Nevermind, just F*** it. Sorry if I sound harsh etc. I'm just tired and I want to read/talk about the game but Beenox doesn't release anything we could talk about. I have this topic open constantly when I'm on the PC and refresh it every few minutes or so with the hopes of finding a discussion about something or new info :S

Don't worry about it man.

We're all a little concerned for this game.

I think it's best we don't make any judgments until we see this damn footage!

 

[Airnick]

Don't worry about it man.

We're all a little concerned for this game.

I think it's best we don't make any judgments until we see this damn footage!

Yeah, I think we're all in dire need of some footage.

 

[JOE]

If only TeeKay played the game Monday too so we can settle all the forums lol.

 

[Tim]

By the way, who here from the US is getting this day 1 on PS4/X1? We could add eachother close to launch and if you want you could stream the game via PS4/X1 to twitch for the rest of us non-US citizens and show us stuff we'd like to see. It's a bit early to suggest something like this but I'm always annoyed at streamers/youtube uploaders for not covering the important things like interiors etc (they usually show off stuff everyone knows already or rush through the story and spoil everything).

If it's a small group of 5-10 players in the stream it's also easier to show off the things others would like to see. It's sad that we have to wait 3 days longer than US people

 

[SpideyK]

By the way, who here from the US is getting this day 1 on PS4/X1? We could add eachother close to launch and if you want you could stream the game via PS4/X1 to twitch for the rest of us non-US citizens and show us stuff we'd like to see. It's a bit early to suggest something like this but I'm always annoyed at streamers/youtube uploaders for not covering the important things like interiors etc (they usually show off stuff everyone knows already or rush through the story and spoil everything).

If it's a small group of 5-10 players in the stream it's also easier to show off the things others would like to see. It's sad that we have to wait 3 days longer than US people

That'd be pretty cool to watch, seeing as I won't get to play it until May 2nd. Sucks I can't be a part of it, though.

One thing for sure concerning the visuals: The trailer (not teaser) for the game is without any doubts PS4/XBone gen. It's in 1080p - simple as that.

Just throwing it out there, in case anyone's still confused about that.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I like the character model for Spider-Man in the previous game more
This one looks kinda awkward

 

[AF3619]

I like the character model for Spider-Man in the previous game more
This one looks kinda awkward

well, i find it incredibly similar to this, might be just my idea but the head and hands they are too big.

 

[Bullern]

They could easily touch up those models.

There's still no proof. I asked for confirmation on both your claims.

I know the teaser was current gen, but I also asked for evidence that the January trailer was next gen. Where's the proof?

Look, you can have your opinion, of course you can, but don't call opinions fact. We don't know if there's a difference yet, so let's wait for the walkthrough trailer before we make such claims.

I also see that you ignored that this game was most likely built for current gen and ported to PS4 and Xbox one.

But Spider-man95, do you have proof that Beenox are developing it for 360/PS3 and then porting it to next-gen? No. I haven't seen anything that might say that this is current gen ported to next-gen. And believe me, I don't Beenox does that. It is much easier and more effective to develop it on Next-gen to then port it to the lower hardware. I know the teaser is 360/PS3, but that does not have to mean that this is developed on the current gen first. It could be that they started with the next-gen with the engine they have to see what you can achieve, but didn't want to show any footage yet. Beenox can maybe be alot of bad things for some people, but aren't that stupid that they develop it on current gen and then port over to next-gen.

But we just have to keep alert on what happens towards the release. My biggest concern when it comes to the graphics are the PC optimization. That was just too problematic with ASM on PC. I hope they fix the issues that was on their previous game, and make sure they deliver a stable experience for those who can afford a gaming PC.

Oh and thanks for welcome message Spider-man95.

 

[SpideyK]

@Bullern

Agreed.

ASM on PC was pretty terribly optimzed. I mean, I did of course like the updated textures and stuff, but ****, the FPS couldn't stay on 60 for ten seconds.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

But we just have to keep alert on what happens towards the release. My biggest concern when it comes to the graphics are the PC optimization. That was just too problematic with ASM on PC. I hope they fix the issues that was on their previous game, and make sure they deliver a stable experience for those who can afford a gaming PC.

Welcome, welcome Bullren

I have the PC version, and I was lucky with it

 

[Tim]

But Spider-man95, do you have proof that Beenox are developing it for 360/PS3 and then porting it to next-gen? No. I haven't seen anything that might say that this is current gen ported to next-gen. And believe me, I don't Beenox does that. It is much easier and more effective to develop it on Next-gen to then port it to the lower hardware. I know the teaser is 360/PS3, but that does not have to mean that this is developed on the current gen first. It could be that they started with the next-gen with the engine they have to see what you can achieve, but didn't want to show any footage yet. Beenox can maybe be alot of bad things for some people, but aren't that stupid that they develop it on current gen and then port over to next-gen.

But we just have to keep alert on what happens towards the release. My biggest concern when it comes to the graphics are the PC optimization. That was just too problematic with ASM on PC. I hope they fix the issues that was on their previous game, and make sure they deliver a stable experience for those who can afford a gaming PC.

Oh and thanks for welcome message Spider-man95.

Well if you look at the latest trailer you see that it doesn't have THAT many vehicles in the streets (atleast not in shots that span a long street, the far end of the street is almost dead). Surely it's NYC and it should be full of peds and vehicles, but it isn't. Looks like a limitation from porting it over from another platform. The hardware should definitely be capable of having a dense population of entities in the world.

 

[Spider-man95]

But Spider-man95, do you have proof that Beenox are developing it for 360/PS3 and then porting it to next-gen? No. I haven't seen anything that might say that this is current gen ported to next-gen. And believe me, I don't Beenox does that. It is much easier and more effective to develop it on Next-gen to then port it to the lower hardware.

That is not how it works at all. You're wrong.

I don't have proof but I know how these things work. It is not easier to develop for next gen and port it to last gen, it's easier to make it for the 360 and PS3 and port it to next gen at the moment. Do you think games like Assassins Creed IV Black Flag was made for next gen? No it was a port from the last gen brought up to 1080p for next gen.

Did you read what I put before? Games like Arkham Knight and Infamous: Second Son are built for next gen since they are only coming out for next gen systems.

Tell me, if it's so easy to port a next gen game over to last gen, why isn't Arkham Knight going to be on last gen? Or Infamous on the PS3? More systems mean more money right?

Because it's not possible.

Rocksteady have already stated that Arkham Knight won't work on last gen, the game is too big for the 360 and PS3. They said that the batmobile would be taken out of the game if it was on last gen, or if they wanted to put the batmobile in the game that would be all the last gen systems could handle.

Here's an article on it: http://www.thirteen1.com/2014/03/04/arkham-knight-batmobile-takes-enough-memory-full-xbox-360-game/

Also, like I said, I have no definite proof. But we did see in that Canadian news website clip that showed Beenox in Quebec testing the game with a 360 controller. I know it's not definite proof, but if the game was made for the next gen systems, why wasn't he testing the game with a PS4 controller, or a Xbox One controller? You'd think they would want to show off the next gen version right?

Finally, Beenox are not a big company, I do not believe they have access to next gen hardware to make a next gen game, and if they did build it for next gen, then we would not be able to play it on last gen since it shouldn't be able to handle it.

I have made these statements before. I even said if I'm wrong fair enough, but I'm confident in my opinion.

I do not wish to get into an argument again.

 

[Tim]

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Also, like I said, I have no definite proof. But we did see in that Canadian news website clip that showed Beenox in Quebec testing the game with a 360 controller. I know it's not definite proof, but if the game was made for the next gen systems, why wasn't he testing the game with a PS4 controller, or a Xbox One controller? You'd think they would want to show off the next gen version right?

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That is a very weak point. The game was obviously running on a PC and the XB1 controller does not work on a PC yet and the PS4 controller requires extra drivers/workaround installed to be compatible with the X-Input almost all PC games are supporting (the 360 controller input layout).

 

[Spider-man95]

That is a very weak point. The game was obviously running on a PC and the XB1 controller does not work on a PC yet and the PS4 controller requires extra drivers/workaround installed to be compatible with the X-Input almost all PC games are supporting (the 360 controller input layout).

Yeah, like I said, I don't have proof for that point, that was just a guess.

But, I really don't want to get into this again, we should just wait for the ****ing footage... :\

My whole point was that you can't port a game built for next gen to last gen, the base game had to be built for last gen for it to work on last gen. "Next gen" will be a slight upgrade to 1080p and better AA at the most maybe some slightly better textures for this game.

True next gen is what Rocksteady is doing, focusing on the next gen systems only and using their power to make a game that is impossible to make for last gen.

 

[Tim]

Yeah, like I said, I don't have proof for that point, that was just a guess.

But, I really don't want to get into this again, we should just wait for the ****ing footage... :\

My whole point was that you can't port a game built for next gen to last gen, the base game had to be built for last gen for it to work on last gen. "Next gen" will be a slight upgrade to 1080p and better AA at the most maybe some slightly better textures for this game.

True next gen is what Rocksteady is doing, focusing on the next gen systems only and using their power to make a game that is impossible to make for last gen.

Ubisoft build Watch_Dogs with PC as the lead platform and scaled everything down for their PS3/360 version. You can start off on next gen/PC but it doesn't make any sense if you are not going for the best you can on next gen and I don't think that Beenox went for the best they could do on next gen platforms (but instead wanted the game to perform/look more or less the same on all platforms it is on). Saying that it's impossible to start out on next gen/PC is outright wrong, but it only makes sense if your focus is the next gen version and you can live with the fact that the other versions will look or perform different.

 

[Spider-man95]

Ubisoft build Watch_Dogs with PC as the lead platform and scaled everything down for their PS3/360 version. You can start off on next gen/PC but it doesn't make any sense if you are not going for the best you can on next gen and I don't think that Beenox went for the best they could do on next gen platforms (but instead wanted the game to perform/look more or less the same on all platforms it is on). Saying that it's impossible to start out on next gen/PC is outright wrong, but it only makes sense if your focus is the next gen version and you can live with the fact that the other versions will look or perform different.

Yes, Beenox probably don't have the tech that Rocksteady have because of Activision. I never said it was impossible to start with next gen or PC?

I said it's impossible to port games built for next gen to last gen meaning games only next gen can handle, like Arkham Knight. Unless, like you said they downgrade it. But I don't think Beenox have the tech to make a true next gen game. They can upscale it of course but not make any impressive next gen game mechanics for it. Although I am impressed with what I heard when they gave us that info back in January. Only thing to worry about now is if it's as good as it sounds.


Anyway, let's wait for this footage. I just want some answers about this game tbh..

 

[kbrooksgohan]

I wonder if we buy the ps3 version will they allow us to upgrade to the ps4 version? I also hope that the trailer calms a lot of our fears.

 

[Tim]

I wonder if we buy the ps3 version will they allow us to upgrade to the ps4 version? I also hope that the trailer calms a lot of our fears.

Last time I checked that offer expires this month. It was only a temporary launch offering.

 

[kbrooksgohan]

Thats disturbing...