The Avengers The Avengers Critics Reviews Thread

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

Anyone else notice on RT that Don Cheadle is mentioned in the cast?

 

[The Morningstar]

The Guardian review seemed mostly positive though.

 

[craigdbfan]

Since The Guardian gives The Avengers 3/5, I wonder which side they will choose for their review on RT.

They went with fresh.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Really? I've read some seemedly-positive reviews that were considered rotten on RT. So those critics can decide whether to make their review positive or negative despite what they apparently wrote?

Yep. I asked about it when people said RT was screwing over other movies, because I remembered when Dark Knight came out a critic posted a blank negative review as a placeholder to see who would jump to conclusions and curse at him while he was still working on his positive review. The critics themselves decide whether it's registered as negative or positive on RT. I'm sure if there was an "I thought it was alright" option it would be less confusing than when a seemingly positive review shows up negative though.

If the site everyone goes to for critic reviews said a critic liked a movie they didn't or the other way around the critic would be pretty upset about it anyway.

 

[Raiden]

This whole concept that "dark" equals better needs to go because frankly, there haven't been that many dark comic book films. That narrative just needs to go.

It's not like after the Dark Knight and Watchmen hit in back to back years that every superhero film/comic book film went straight dark.

They haven't....

Nobody can EVER say that the Summer of '11 had dark, comic book films.

It's not that every superhero movie after TDK has become dark, but after TDK there is a perception that dark superhero movie is better than the ones that are not. This perception is prevalent enough that the Film4 critic mentions it in her review. What I hope after TA is for people to realize that it doesn't matter if the movie is dark or light, what matters the most is the quality of the film. That way, the filmmakers will stop thinking dark = better.

 

[Vulklin]

After all the rave reviews from twitters and blogs and whatnot I was really hyped up and expecting a truly awesome movie

Yet the reviews so far, even though all are positive and fresh on RT, are not as high as I would have thought

At the moment it seems as though it is heading into the same kind of area as Iron Man and not surpassing it and being better than the previous individual movies

Iron Man 7.6 and 94% Avengers 8.2 100%

Obviously it is not going to stay at 100% and continued 8/10 type scores with 6/10 and lower thrown in means end up with very much same as Iron Man

So is it best superhero movie of all time or not?

I was hoping for over 90%+ fresh and 9.0 plus average or 8.5 plus at the very least, with a lot of 5 star reviews mixed in with 4s and 3s

Now I am wondering, when I do get to see it eventually, will it not be the huge big awesomesauce type film I was expecting? Just another good film like Iron Man and Thor?

I want MOAR than Iron Man and Thor combined dammit

 

[The Morningstar]

Barely any movies have a 9 average rating on RT. Even bonafide classics. You're setting your bar way too high.

And you're putting too much stock into what at the end of the day, a bunch of strangers are saying. You'll always get people who dislike the genre from the outset, but who might like the film. Their ratings will reflect this.

 

[J.Howlett]

It's not that every superhero movie after TDK has become dark, but that after TDK there is a perception that dark superhero movie is better than the ones that are not. This perception is prevalent enough that the Film4 critic mentions it in her review. What I hope after TA is for people to realize that it doesn't matter if the movie is dark or light, what matters the most is the quality of the film. That way, the filmmakers will stop thinking dark = better.

Perception doesn't equal reality. I mean, look at the genre since it was reborn in '98 with the release of Blade.

From about '98 to '04, it's been pretty even in terms of the type of films that have been made. Some fluff. Some more on the serious side. Since '04, it's been way more on the "for everyone" side and less in the "serious/gritty/realism" side.

Hell, Marvel's responsible for 5 of the "for everyone" side in the genre since '08.

DC did Losers, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, Watchmen, and Dark Knight. Three out of those five are not "dark/gritty/realism" in the slightest...

 

[Raiden]

After all the rave reviews from twitters and blogs and whatnot I was really hyped up and expecting a truly awesome movie

Yet the reviews so far, even though all are positive and fresh on RT, are not as high as I would have thought

At the moment it seems as though it is heading into the same kind of area as Iron Man and not surpassing it and being better than the previous individual movies

Iron Man 7.6 and 94% Avengers 8.2 100%

Obviously it is not going to stay at 100% and continued 8/10 type scores with 6/10 and lower thrown in means end up with very much same as Iron Man

So is it best superhero movie of all time or not?

I was hoping for over 90%+ fresh and 9.0 plus average or 8.5 plus at the very least, with a lot of 5 star reviews mixed in with 4s and 3s

Now I am wondering, when I do get to see it eventually, will it not be the huge big awesomesauce type film I was expecting? Just another good film like Iron Man and Thor?

I want MOAR than Iron Man and Thor combined dammit

Why don't you just go in there with an open mind and enjoy yourself, instead of expecting The Avengers to become the greatest movie ever and the modern-day version of Citizen Kane and Gone With The Wind rolled into one? Just have a great time and don't keep having unrealistic expectation about this movie. Whedon has crafted a big, fun (even funny) movie about superheroes, and done it exceptionally well, but it is still a superhero movie. Don't get bend out of shape about it.

 

[Disney Man]

I just wish Rotten Tomatoes would promote The Avengers Fresh scores even more.

So far only 1 Twitter update for The Avengers late last night, but I remember getting blasted Harry Potter updates from them on Twitter every 3-4 hours of the day.

I guess that's why WB bought them, to get them to do hourly Twitter blasts

 

[Vulklin]

Why don't you just go in there with an open mind and enjoy yourself, instead of expecting The Avengers to become the greatest movie ever and the modern-day version of Citizen Kane and Gone With The Wind rolled into one? Just have a great time and don't keep having unrealistic expectation about this movie. Whedon has crafted a big, fun (even funny) movie about superheroes, and done it exceptionally well, but it is still a superhero movie. Don't get bend out of shape about it.

I don't expect it to break into my top 100, let alone greatest movie ever

But I was anticipating a classic 10/10 pure entertainment movie, best one in a decade type reaction, now I am not so sure

Iron Man and Thor were good, but they were not 10/10 blow you out the water amazing

I was hoping Avengers would be

Maybe the critics are just wrong and I will think it is a definite 10/10

got a week to wait to find out

 

[Raiden]

Perception doesn't equal reality. I mean, look at the genre since it was reborn in '98 with the release of Blade.

From about '98 to '04, it's been pretty even in terms of the type of films that have been made. Some fluff. Some more on the serious side. Since '04, it's been way more on the "for everyone" side and less in the "serious/gritty/realism" side.

Hell, Marvel's responsible for 5 of the "for everyone" side in the genre since '08.

DC did Losers, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, Watchmen, and Dark Knight. Three out of those five are not "dark/gritty/realism" in the slightest...

I didn't say that more CB movies are done dark, but ones that are dark generally perceived as more favorably compared to the ones that are lighter in story & characterization, because they are seen as more dramatic and more "real". I even noticed the comments from the MOS set seemed to imply that the movie will be darker, which after the disappointment that was SR appears to be WB's strategy to make the next Superman movie more in tune with their Batman's quality. I hope I'm wrong about it, though.

 

[The Morningstar]

If MoS is dark then it will be the biggest mistake WB have made yet. To make Superman dark is to destroy everything the character represents.

They can still make it a bit edgier and less corny. But no, not dark, it'll be the worst thing ever.

 

[Raiden]

I don't expect it to break into my top 100, let alone greatest movie ever

But I was anticipating a classic 10/10 pure entertainment movie, best one in a decade type reaction, now I am not so sure

Iron Man and Thor were good, but they were not 10/10 blow you out the water amazing

I was hoping Avengers would be

Maybe the critics are just wrong and I will think it is a definite 10/10

got a week to wait to find out

Well, all signs thus far have pointed TA to be one of the greatest, if not the best, superhero movies of all time. I'm not sure why you're obsessed about 10/10 from the critics, because I doubt you agree with them all the time. Just enjoy the movie instead of worrying about how it will stack up against the greatest films in history, because it will only prevent you from having a good time.

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't expect it to break into my top 100, let alone greatest movie ever

But I was anticipating a classic 10/10 pure entertainment movie, best one in a decade type reaction, now I am not so sure

Iron Man and Thor were good, but they were not 10/10 blow you out the water amazing

I was hoping Avengers would be

Maybe the critics are just wrong and I will think it is a definite 10/10

got a week to wait to find out

I never expected such grades and lots of critics use their highest grades very sparsely. It's something I can understand since of the 1340 movies I have recorded grades on (from 1-5, no half grades, only one grade for all bad movies) I only have 5/5 on 36 of them.

Perhaps the 5 graded scale is a bit too small to give one grade such importance, but it's how I've done it and it's too much of a hassle to change that now.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Perception doesn't equal reality. I mean, look at the genre since it was reborn in '98 with the release of Blade.

From about '98 to '04, it's been pretty even in terms of the type of films that have been made. Some fluff. Some more on the serious side. Since '04, it's been way more on the "for everyone" side and less in the "serious/gritty/realism" side.

Hell, Marvel's responsible for 5 of the "for everyone" side in the genre since '08.

DC did Losers, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, Watchmen, and Dark Knight. Three out of those five are not "dark/gritty/realism" in the slightest...

The genre was reborn with Singer's X-Men, not Blade.

Blade was marketed as a Wesley Snipes vehicle, nothing more.

Singer's film established that you could do a CBM without it being completely unrealistic - distancing his film as much as possible from the last big budget CBM (Batman & Robin).

Singer's concept was retained though not entirely enforced by the films that followed (Blade II, Spider Man & Daredevil). X2 consolidated his realistic approach to the genre even further & Nolan took note of that with Batman Begins as did Jonathan Hensleigh with The Punisher & Favreau with Iron Man.

The film that represents the next leap for the genre is TDK because here the director instead of just grounding his superhero movie to adhere to the general consensus goes further & boldly turns it into a crime-drama.

That transcends the norm & places the CBM in a new light, where popcorn is no longer synonymous to its offerings.

Since TDK, First Class is really the only film that's come close to progressing the notion of the genre evolving. It relied on pathos & character development more than effects & laughs.

I haven't seen The Avengers, but I'm hoping its more than glorified popcorn as some of these critics are making it sound. I'm hoping it really is the next chapter in the genre & a worthy addition to the cinematic medium.

 

[HighFivingMF]

If MoS is dark then it will be the biggest mistake WB have made yet. To make Superman dark is to destroy everything the character represents.

They can still make it a bit edgier and less corny. But no, not dark, it'll be the worst thing ever.

Nobody said it would be "dark" though, I imagine there will be some dark elements since it involves an entire planet blowing up, of course. What happened was the teenage cast member playing young Clark said it would be "edgier and more emotional like The Dark Knight" and people saw the word dark and went wild.

 

[Disney Man]

If MoS is dark then it will be the biggest mistake WB have made yet. To make Superman dark is to destroy everything the character represents.

They can still make it a bit edgier and less corny. But no, not dark, it'll be the worst thing ever.

WB basically looked at Superman Returns (light) and Green Lantern (light) and then TDK (dark).

So typical conclusion, our dark films make more money!

But that's not always true since Iron Man was a very light movie, and that did almost better than both Superman Returns + Green Lantern combined.

Superman is hard to see as being a dark character, since he is not.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If the Village Voice likes it, we know it will appeal to the masses. They don't like anything.

Smart yes, dark, no - Avengers Assemble is also bright and funny, skillfully sidestepping the nihilism fallacy, which seeks to suggest comic book movies are somehow more valid when they’re “dark”.

YES. Thank you film4 lady.

I'm quite pleased with the way things are headed. Outlook good.

 

[The Morningstar]

From what i gather from the reviews Avengers does seem to do something different. It is genuinely funny, almost full on comedy territory. But still smartly written and packs an emotional punch with a real sense of danger and tension.

Almost like a serious parody, is the vibe i'm getting. My dream is for Avengers to be like The Incredibles (best superhero film ever btw) but in live action.

 

[kaijunexus]

Anyone else notice on RT that Don Cheadle is mentioned in the cast?

Yeah, I actually did notice that and was surprised I hadn't heard anything about it yet...

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

From what i gather from the reviews Avengers does seem to do something different. It is genuinely funny, almost full on comedy territory. But still smartly written and packs an emotional punch with a real sense of danger and tension.

Almost like a serious parody, is the vibe i'm getting. My dream is for Avengers to be like The Incredibles (best superhero film ever btw) but in live action.

I don't like the constant use of the word "fun" in pretty much every single one of these reviews.

"Fun" is borderline "popcorn".

 

[Whiskey Tango]

From what i gather from the reviews Avengers does seem to do something different. It is genuinely funny, almost full on comedy territory. But still smartly written and packs an emotional punch with a real sense of danger and tension.

Almost like a serious parody, is the vibe i'm getting.

I'm surprised there isn't more whining about the humor. There was a fair amount of *****ing during Thor's production from people who thought it was too jokey and should 'be more seriouz'

 

[Gamma Burst]

Oh my... here comes the 'popcorn'' again. Yeah, this movie is simply ''glorified'' popcorn...
I hate the word fun!

 

[samsnee]

Anyone else notice on RT that Don Cheadle is mentioned in the cast?

So that's the new scene they filmed!


Fury: Do you think you're the only second-string superhero in the world? You've become a part of something much larger.

Rhodey: Who the hell are you?

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