The big problem with comic book movies now, they are too convoluted

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The big problem with comic book movies now is that they are too convoluted. You have watch Wanda vision to understand Dr. Strange 2 and you have watch several TV shows to understand who is who in the Marvels movie. Instead of a simple story where Flash fights one of his villains and falls in love with Iris, the Flash movie is about some multiverse nonsense.

Convoluted storytelling is what ruined DC and Marvel comics, it's why Manga is killing them and now it's tainted the movies. I miss the 2000s where I can watch a comic book movie without having to do homework.
 
I want comic book movies to be about as convoluted as the sixth entry in a slasher horror franchise, with at least three cuts being released on home media and a small manual included, which relays vital plot information that was originally in the screenplay but then left on the cutting room floor when it came to filming.
 
Stan Lee once said every book comic is somebody's first.

The more interconnected something is with other parts, not only the more time consuming it is, but more expensive as well. Casuals and those on a smaller budget get left behind.


DC films will also run into even more than The Flash with Gunn wanting the new TV and Film universe and canon to be one and the same.
 
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The big problem with comic book movies now is that they are too convoluted. You have watch Wanda vision to understand Dr. Strange 2 and you have watch several TV shows to understand who is who in the Marvels movie. Instead of a simple story where Flash fights one of his villains and falls in love with Iris, the Flash movie is about some multiverse nonsense.

Convoluted storytelling is what ruined DC and Marvel comics, it's why Manga is killing them and now it's tainted the movies. I miss the 2000s where I can watch a comic book movie without having to do homework.
First part i can agree with for sure.
Thats why i get upset when people said Blue Beetle or Aquaman 2 are pointless because they arent part of a bigger universe directly.
I want these Movies mainly to focus on their own, telling a great story itself instead of just being a setup for Multiverse team ups.

Second part sounds too much like the usual Comicsgate nonsense.
Manga is not killing them.
More Mangas in Japan get not picked up or dropped than DC or Marvel Comics.
There is a really twisted idea how the Manga industry is doing in Japan and its kind of messed up.
The amount of Abuse and how Mentally, Physical drained many Manga artists are while getting only scraps, the underhanded tactics how the publishers work etc...the Manga industry is far more toxic than the Comic one...and that despite Western comics having to deal with the Toxic Comicsgate people.

The people who say this whole "Manga kills Western comics" stuff imo have no idea how messed up things are in Japan.
But thats not the point here.

Yes i agree that its too convoluted.
Of course its cool that there is a lot of content and that they branch out etc from this or that...but sometimes having a simple movie would be neat.
 
First part i can agree with for sure.
Thats why i get upset when people said Blue Beetle or Aquaman 2 are pointless because they arent part of a bigger universe directly.
I want these Movies mainly to focus on their own, telling a great story itself instead of just being a setup for Multiverse team ups.

Second part sounds too much like the usual Comicsgate nonsense.
Manga is not killing them.
More Mangas in Japan get not picked up or dropped than DC or Marvel Comics.
There is a really twisted idea how the Manga industry is doing in Japan and its kind of messed up.
The amount of Abuse and how Mentally, Physical drained many Manga artists are while getting only scraps, the underhanded tactics how the publishers work etc...the Manga industry is far more toxic than the Comic one...and that despite Western comics having to deal with the Toxic Comicsgate people.

The people who say this whole "Manga kills Western comics" stuff imo have no idea how messed up things are in Japan.
But thats not the point here.

Yes i agree that its too convoluted.
Of course its cool that there is a lot of content and that they branch out etc from this or that...but sometimes having a simple movie would be neat.

I am not comics gate guy and I am not a big manga fan, but the fact is Manga has a bigger reader base in the US than DC or Marvel comics. A kid get into a new Manga series far easier than he or she could get into American superhero comics. They need less convoluted options at DC or Marvel.

But Marvel and DC need more movies where I only have to watch the movie to understand the plot.
 
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I am not comics gate guy and I am not a big manga fan, but the fact is Manga has a bigger reader base in the US than DC or Marvel comics. A kid get into a new Manga series far easier than he or she could get into American superhero comics. They need less convoluted options at DC or Marvel.

But Marvel and DC need more movies where I only have to watch the movie to understand the plot.

I think "need" seems to be the wrong choice of words there since their most heavily connected films are the one's that have done the best, at least for Marvel. Just because films play off other things that have happened doesn't necessarily mean that you can't follow the plot of the film either, it can just mean that you don't catch all the nuances. Hence why a film like Infinity War still has an exposition scene that explains the Infinity Stones. There's even been people saying that the first Marvel film they watched was Endgame (big success makes people curious), and given the extreme BO of that film it's safe to assume that there were a bunch of people that at least had that being their first in the theaters.
 
I think "need" seems to be the wrong choice of words there since their most heavily connected films are the one's that have done the best, at least for Marvel. Just because films play off other things that have happened doesn't necessarily mean that you can't follow the plot of the film either, it can just mean that you don't catch all the nuances. Hence why a film like Infinity War still has an exposition scene that explains the Infinity Stones. There's even been people saying that the first Marvel film they watched was Endgame (big success makes people curious), and given the extreme BO of that film it's safe to assume that there were a bunch of people that at least had that being their first in the theaters.

Except, you wouldn't know why Wanda is a villain in Dr. Strange 2 without seeing WandaVision, her whole motivation is tied to that show. That is asking the audience to do homework to understand the movie.
 
Except, you wouldn't know why Wanda is a villain in Dr. Strange 2 without seeing WandaVision, her whole motivation is tied to that show. That is asking the audience to do homework to understand the movie.

I don't remember all the details shown in MoM but I'm not so sure you can't even follow the plot just because you haven't seen WandaVision (a quick Internet search at least have some arguing that it was understandable). But we can take that as true for the sake of the argument and naming one example isn't much of an argument to support the statement that they "need more movies where I only have to watch the movie to understand the plot". Clearly people got it even with Endgame, which was building on a decade of previous storytelling and character introductions, so it's rather quite unusual that a film would leave you unable to understand the plot. The most successful movie post Endgame, and the most successful non-team superhero film of all time, was basing things on thing that were released 20 years before, in films that previously weren't even tied to the MCU.

So in order to support the statement there would have to be quite a lot of examples where you just can't follow the plot, and even then one would also have to explain why it's something they need to avoid when the most connected things are the most successful.

There are issues with the superhero genre at the moment that makes it less successful than some years ago, but I don't think that interconnectivity can be said to be the cause since it's been it's biggest strength this far. The real problems lie elsewhere.
 
I think as both studios ( DC and Marvel) are heading into hard ,or soft reboot, territories in terms of their shard universes, they need to return emphasis( in terms of the solo films ) to the individual characters and their individual journeys as opposed to tossing in bread crumbs or plot points , which are setting up some team up film several years down the line .

Ultimately, after 20 years, the idea that all these characters are in the same universe is no longer the " Wow !" factor it was in the 00s, as far as the GA is concerned.

For good or ill, it's been done .

That doesn't mean that a shared universe concept in itself is the problem, of course.

But what the studios should do, however, is treat the interconnected universes for DC and Marvel as icing on top of the cake for these individual films .

The shared universe should be a supplement to the material ,and not a hinderance or burden ,which stifles the storytelling possibilities with regards to each of the characters, in their solo films.

The problem Marvel has , at the moment , is that they still have to go through several interconnected ,multiverse, heavy films before they reach their clean slate post Secret Wars.

So for the time being, many of those films between now and then, are gonna feel the weight of continuity, and interconnectedness, before they can start fresh again, and get back to small scale, isolated stories like the first Iron Man film.
 
I don't think its too convoluted. The problem with DCEU and the Multiverse Saga is the quality control. Some of the projects are also a bit random to me. Like a Birds of Prey movie before a Flash movie and a Green Lantern reboot. An Eternals and Thunderbolts movie before the reboot of the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men.
 

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