The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[SwordOfMorning]

I honestly think, even if the DCU is successful outta the gate, a JL film is waaaay down the road this time. I think if there's one good lesson they may have learned from the DCEU's failure, it's that one. Hence Gunn not even mentioning it in his plans. And I'd be glad for it, tbh. I have a feeling that even if I find myself fully vibing with the DCU, a Justice League film is where it will lose me. Unless they somehow manage to capture the magic of Morrison's JLA, the only DC team book I've ever loved. The solo franchises are exclusively what I'm interested in. Minor crossovers are fine. Just not into the full-on team stuff.

My fantasy is they bypass classic JLA entirely despite being a huge fan of it personally and Gunn writes/directs a JLI movie instead.

But ultimately I do disagree, I feel like obviously Chapter One is building towards something and I’d be shocked if that something wasn’t at least functionally a Justice League movie. Like, presumably it has a big crossover finale.

 

[flickchick85]

My fantasy is they bypass classic JLA entirely despite being a huge fan of it personally and Gunn writes/directs a JLI movie instead.

But ultimately I do disagree, I feel like obviously Chapter One is building towards something and I’d be shocked if that something wasn’t at least functionally a Justice League movie. Like, presumably it has a big crossover finale.

Yeah but Chapter One is like 10 years of projects. I exaggerate (barely), but he said that what he announced was just the "first part" of Chapter One, so assuming it's culminating in a JL flick (which I agree it is), that still puts that a looong way off. If they get there at all. I think he wouldn't dare try to do a JL anything without Diana, and he's using Paradise Lost to space between Gadot's Diana and a new one, so we're talking at least 6 years away I think.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah but Chapter One is like 10 years of projects. I exaggerate (barely), but he said that what he announced was just the "first part" of Chapter One, so assuming it's culminating in a JL flick (which I agree it is), that still puts that a looong way off. If they get there at all. I think he wouldn't dare try to do a JL anything without Diana, and he's using Paradise Lost to space between Gadot's Diana and a new one, so we're talking at least 6 years away I think.

Fair enough, I’d honestly forgotten how comically over ambitious the plan was! Jesus Christ the idea of the DC characters locked into one solid continuity for decades is a ****ing nightmare scenario.

 

[flickchick85]

Fair enough, I’d honestly forgotten how comically over ambitious the plan was! Jesus Christ the idea of the DC characters locked into one solid continuity for decades is a ****ing nightmare scenario.

A part of me thinks he announced all those just to have reason avoid the JL conversation with anyone for a while. Like, "look at all these other projects I've got to worry about right now!"

 

[Invader Joker]

My fantasy is they bypass classic JLA entirely despite being a huge fan of it personally and Gunn writes/directs a JLI movie instead.

But ultimately I do disagree, I feel like obviously Chapter One is building towards something and I’d be shocked if that something wasn’t at least functionally a Justice League movie. Like, presumably it has a big crossover finale.

Yeah but Chapter One is like 10 years of projects. I exaggerate (barely), but he said that what he announced was just the "first part" of Chapter One, so assuming it's culminating in a JL flick (which I agree it is), that still puts that a looong way off. If they get there at all. I think he wouldn't dare try to do a JL anything without Diana, and he's using Paradise Lost to space between Gadot's Diana and a new one, so we're talking at least 6 years away I think.

I said it on another thread but I wouldn't be surprised if he's already doing the JLI... in Superman lmao. I think there's actually a very good chance that Clark and his "metahuman compatriots" ARE the JLI. I mean, they have to be some sort of team, no?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I said it on another thread but I wouldn't be surprised if he's already doing the JLI... in Superman lmao. I think there's actually a very good chance that Clark and his "metahuman compatriots" ARE the JLI. I mean, they have to be some sort of team, no?

I think the tone will be incredibly similar which rules very hard but I feel like they’d save the JL title for later.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I think they will essentially be the JLI, but they will be called something else. Justice Society, The Terrifics, something without "League" in it lol.

 

[Invader Joker]

Idk. With Gunn's whole pitch for his universe being that heroes exist and have existed for a long time I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to hit the ground running with the JLI already being a thing at the beginning of his universe.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

As per Zaslav, Gunn will be making some major DCU announcements in the coming months. Hopefully, we get some kind of update on Brave and the other projects that are currently in development as well. Getting our first glimpse of the new Superman suit here wouldn't be shocking either, IMO.

 

[Invader Joker]

As per Zaslav, Gunn will be making some major DCU announcements in the coming months. Hopefully, we get some kind of update on Brave and the other projects that are currently in development as well. Getting our first glimpse of the new Superman suit here wouldn't be shocking either, IMO.

Not exactly a Brave and the Bold update per se but interestingly so he just reposted this:

Makes me hopeful we'll see a more multi layered portrayal of Talia rather than the racist evil caricature that's been popular for the last 20 years.

 

[Tg11]

A director they can get would definitely be Aronofsky, Del Toro or Alfonso Cuaron

 

[Invader Joker]

Muschietti's so screwed LMAO

Why It’s Never Been Easier to Land in Director’s Jail

Filmmakers who work on the (ever smaller) slate of major studio movies are dealing with risk-averse execs and a still wobbly distribution environment, with their films sitting in the larger ecosystem of publicly traded parent companies. And if a movie flops with critics or at the box office...

www.hollywoodreporter.com

“[Everyone] went on strike and came back to a different industry,” says a studio head, speaking anonymously. “Everything lost momentum, everything is being scrutinized and everyone has a new boss.”

Warner Bros. Discovery’s top brass has been in place for fewer than two years, and in some areas of the studio, it’s even less time than that. Then there is the industry-wide pressure to deliver windfalls that move the needle at the box office and fuel ancillary revenue streams that will appease shareholders (think: Warners’ Barbie). Film slates — now a massive line item — sit within the larger narrative of publicly traded companies.

Insiders say that nonwriting directors are having a particularly difficult time. Because of the limited number of studio films, open directing assignments that would normally be within the grasp of younger filmmakers are going to higher-level talent. Elsewhere, up-and-coming directors, those who have a festival movie or two under their belts and are looking for the next step up, are getting boxed out. Long gone are the days of Colin Trevorrow making the jump from Sundance darling (Safety Not Guaranteed) to Jurassic World.

Now, new talent must deliver multiple successful projects in a row, sans slip-ups, before being afforded the grace (albeit only so much) to fail at the studio level. Says a top manager with a stable of studio directors of the gauntlet for filmmakers, “You basically get one shot [at proving yourself], three times in a row.”

For their part, executives offer that there is a dwindling number of working directors, even those with a bomb or two, that can be trusted with bigger budgets to deliver on time, on budget and on brand.

 

[Boom]

For their part, executives offer that there is a dwindling number of working directors, even those with a bomb or two, that can be trusted with bigger budgets to deliver on time, on budget and on brand.

LOL Get Nolan to teach a course on budget management.

 

[Adrian Chase]

A director they can get would definitely be Aronofsky, Del Toro or Alfonso Cuaron

Cuaron could be really interesting

 

[Peyton Westlake]

I apologize if this has been addressed in a previous post, but it's clear that this Batman will not be linked to Pattinson's portrayal. Additionally, will this Batman be connected to the new Superman, or are all the movies Gunn is overseeing standalone projects?

 

[flickchick85]

I apologize if this has been addressed in a previous post, but it's clear that this Batman will not be linked to Pattinson's portrayal. Additionally, will this Batman be connected to the new Superman, or are all the movies Gunn is overseeing standalone projects?

This Batman is supposed to be the one linked to Gunn's Superman, in a new shared universe. Matt Reeves wanted his universe to stand alone, so it is officially an "Elseworld" saga.

 

[Invader Joker]

One door closes another one opens. Since it's extremely unlikely another Mad Max movie will get made, I wonder if they could get George Miller for this. He's in the WBD ecosystem, Gunn likes his movies, fits the tone, was going to do JL Mortal but it never realized (which was probably for the best) and in this last interview he still sounded interested in DC superheroes and what he called their "mythic power" (and funny enough the mythic power of Batman and all that is something that Morrison explored a lot during their run)



Would be wild as hell to see him adapting this type of Batman too:




And also what kind of crazy stuff he'd be able to do with Damian, the Al Ghuls and the Batfam.

Out of all the "dream big name candidates", this one seems the most likely to me.

 

[emielaen]

I would love to see how Miller lights Gotham.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Miller owns the rights to the Mad Max and the Australian government pays for roughly 40% of the films. Don’t count out another one.

 

[Invader Joker]

Miller owns the rights to the Mad Max and the Australian government pays for roughly 40% of the films. Don’t count out another one.

It's always a long, drawn out fight to get another Mad Max film made though. Fury Road took a long time, Furiosa took a decade. And sure, he probably won't be suing WB this time around but Furiosa flopping as hard as it did will probably make it a complicated process again. Point being I think he can find something else to do in the meantime, and since he's interested in superheroes this could be it. (And if anything making a Batman movie and knocking it out of the park might help him get the next Mad Max made as well)

 

[Eddie Dean]

I can’t imagine him working in a house style in an established continuity though. His whole ideal with Mortal was to go as far out as possible with it.

He is also 80, so I think he may be a bit choosy what he does with his time.

 

[Invader Joker]

I can’t imagine him working in a house style in an established continuity though. His whole ideal with Mortal was to go as far out as possible with it.

He is also 80, so I think he may be a bit choosy what he does with his time.

Eh. It's not like Mortal was his own idea he started from scratch though. It originated from other writers/producers, and they later showed him their scripts and he came onboard. (Which is not actually dissimilar from what would probably happen here. Gunn/Safran originated the idea, someone else wrote it, they'd propose it to him.) It was also supposed to be a launchpad to a DC connected universe so it's not like he's against connected universes. And just because the Mad Max films are designed to be standalone fables doesn't mean he'd be against something that has to remain more coherent. That's Mad Max's shtick and I don't think he's a one trick pony. Hell, he even somewhat entertained the idea of doing Thor 5 in the Furiosa press tour.

Also idk. I really do buy Gunn's words when he says that there won't be an exact in house style per se lol. Lanterns from the creative team alone is gonna be such a ridiculous departure from "Creature Commandos" that I am inclined to think they'd give him a lot of leeway stylistically. I do not think Lindelof and Chris Mundy would've signed on otherwise. Same with Mangold and his Swamp Thing film.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I’d be more than down for Miller to make any dc superhero movie I just find it extremely unlikely that he would want to do it at his age, especially when he has projects that he has been developing for years and keeps on trying to get made.

Also, if you read Blood and Chrome, Miller is a true maverick who does not follow orders from higher ups (he shipped all the cars to the desert without permission from WB for fury road lol) and above all else I think Gunn is looking for team players.

 

[Invader Joker]

I’d be more than down for Miller to make any dc superhero movie I just find it extremely unlikely that he would want to do it at his age, especially when he has projects that he has been developing for years and keeps on trying to get made.

Also, if you read Blood and Chrome, Miller is a true maverick who does not follow orders from higher ups (he shipped all the cars to the desert without permission from WB for fury road lol) and above all else I think Gunn is looking for team players.

Isn't Gunn's whole pitch though that he won't be micromanaging creatives that way? I really have absolutely zero clue as to why people are stuck on this idea that he will. Even if you don't want to take the guy's word for some reason, the very fact that he's directing Superman while also directing Peacemaker at the same time he's running the studio that already has 12 projects in active development makes it extremely obvious that for him he sees this whole being the CEO of DC Studios thing as "I get to do whatever I want and then I hire people who I find exciting and then let them do whatever they want as well while I work on my own stuff" rather than him wanting an iron grip control over every single minutia of everything. With Miller he'd be leaving the project in the hands of someone that knows what he's doing and that he doesn't need to be barking orders at, which I think is what Gunn actually finds most important. I don't think he wants to be wasting his time barking specific orders at creatives or breathing down their necks micromanaging when he'd rather use that time to be writing/directing stuff himself.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It’s not so much micromanaging, as just managing in general. If it’s a shared universe there’s going to have to be an overall structure, consistency, etc… he wouldn’t have made such a big deal about all the characters remaining consistent throughout different forms of media if not. And having to deal with that is not something I can picture an 80 year old Australian man who has had many clashes with producers wanting to deal with. Even if you put aside the fact that Justice league Moral was a decade and a half ago when Miller was much younger, that was something built from the ground up by him, in term of casting, designs, even the script was heavily rewritten and changed by him before the writers strike killed it. Every other project he’s done is something that he’s originated, even Babe 2 or Happy Feet.