The Confederate flag

Is it cringe worthy for the certain people using the confederate flag?

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I hated that they de-Nazified Red Skull. It would have been interesting to see a real Nazi villain. A product of his time.

Instead we basically got a Bond villain who happened to be employed by Hitler.
 
Well I do think the Dukes were proud of being from the South, but I don't think they were actually racist. there was a black sheriff that guest starred occasionally for example. As for the Red Skull, he was the VILLIAN. Let some common sense back into things. I mean public buildings shouldn't have it. Civil War exibits yes.
 
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Even NASCAR is now asking fans to stop flying the flag

NASCAR effectively revised its prior stance on the Confederate flag today, where the series wouldn’t allow the stars and bars to fly in any official capacity, but would permit fans to fly it as they please. Now the series’ tracks have banded together in asking fans not to fly it at all.

A statement released today emphasized the need to ensure NASCAR is a welcoming environment for all, including those who associate the flag with racism:

To do that, we are asking our fans and partners to join us in a renewed effort to create an all-inclusive, even more welcoming atmosphere for all who attend our events. This will include the request to refrain from displaying the Confederate Flag at our facilities and NASCAR events.​

It is unclear if or how this request will be enforced, however, the message from the series is clear. Both the International Speedway Corporation and Speedway Motorsports, Inc., the two companies who control most of NASCAR’s tracks, signed the statement along with numerous other tracks on the NASCAR calendar.

This may not come as a surprise given NASCAR chairman Brian France’s statement on the Confederate flag this Sunday, where he reiterated the series’ official stance as well as hinted at possible changes in the future in regards to the parts of the race weekend that NASCAR doesn’t control.

“We have been clear in support of this position throughout our industry and to those across the country who have called for the eradication of the Confederate Flag,” France explained. “We will be as aggressive as possible to disassociate NASCAR events from an offensive and divisive symbol. We are working with the industry right now to achieve that goal.”

For now, how the industry discourages the fans from displaying the Confederate flag seems to be left up to individual tracks to enforce.

As for this weekend’s Coke Zero 400 at Daytona, the last statement from the Florida track said that they would permit fans to fly whatever they wanted. However, the Wall Street Journal reports that a flag exchange would be offered for those fans who wished to trade their Confederate flags in for new American ones.

“We want to have an event open and inclusive of everyone,” Daytona President Joie Chitwood told the Wall Street Journal. “Celebrating our nation’s birthday, we thought this was the best thing to do.”

Chitwood explained that change needed to happen, but the track neede to be “thoughtful on how we get there.” The Confederate flag is still a staple at fans’ campsites throughout the South, and many fans associate the flag with their own regional identity as opposed to any racist sentiments.

NASCAR and its track partners, however, want to nudge fans into being more considerate of others who may view the flag in a different, more menacing light.

I'm sure they are going to line up for their brand new shiny American flags
 
Maybe it's the context. When Nazi flags or symbols are shown, they're never being celebrated or condoned. The negative connotation is there (as it should be).

In Dukes of Hazzard, these guys love their Confederate flag. They celebrate it and what it represents.

I think making the connection between the Confederate flag and the Swastika in pop culture is spurious at best. They're shown in completely different contexts.

Anyone who thinks Dukes of Hazzard is insidious racist propaganda is....let's just say a delicate flower.
 
I hated that they de-Nazified Red Skull. It would have been interesting to see a real Nazi villain. A product of his time.

Instead we basically got a Bond villain who happened to be employed by Hitler.

I did find it kind of weird that apart from like, one scene where Schmidt kills the Nazi Generals sent to shut down his funding, there's not an actual WWII German uniform to be found in that entire movie. They seemed like they went out of their way to set HYDRA apart from the Nazis.

Sure, Schmidt had his own agenda, but he was a Nazi.
 
I did find it kind of weird that apart from like, one scene where Schmidt kills the Nazi Generals sent to shut down his funding, there's not an actual WWII German uniform to be found in that entire movie. They seemed like they went out of their way to set HYDRA apart from the Nazis.

There's a deleted scene where the Howling Commandos (not assembled into the team yet) are attacked by the Wehrmacht, but then HYDRA intervenes and obliterates the Germans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2kXtr-qIQU

Sure, Schmidt had his own agenda, but he was a Nazi.

A Nazi who was smart enough to realize that Hitler is an idiot.
 
I did find it kind of weird that apart from like, one scene where Schmidt kills the Nazi Generals sent to shut down his funding, there's not an actual WWII German uniform to be found in that entire movie. They seemed like they went out of their way to set HYDRA apart from the Nazis.

Sure, Schmidt had his own agenda, but he was a Nazi.

It is curious. Maybe they were worried they would offend Germans? They even have Erksine saying that Germany was conquered by Nazis. Which I found rather interesting.

First they de-Germanize the villains, then they deNazi them. Which honestly, just makes them rather generic and dull. And I'm not really sure whose feelings they are trying to spare with the latter. Just imagine the headline: Waffen-SS veterans protest their depiction in Captain America.

It takes away some authenticity as well.
 
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I haven't seen it, so can't really comment, but it does sound pretty stupid.

The flip-side, I suppose, is something like Iglorious Basterds- one of the most moronic movies I have ever seen- which cheerfully conflates Germans with Nazis and doesn't mind depriving both of their humanity.
 
The movie actually doesn't. Some of the characters in the movie do. And those characters aren't portrayed in a particularly positive light intellectually (Bonjourno!). Several of the protagonists are German and working against the Nazis.
 
I just couldn't stand Inglorious Basterds because it thought it was being deep and incisive by saying "look, you're enjoying the deaths of Nazis just like they were with the allies!" despite the fact that:
a) I wasn't
b) There is a wide, wide gap between the atrocities of the SS and immensely complicit Wehrmacht forces (the clean Wehrmacht myth being a highly insidious thing), and those of the allied forces.
 
The movie actually doesn't. Some of the characters in the movie do. And those characters aren't portrayed in a particularly positive light intellectually (Bonjourno!). Several of the protagonists are German and working against the Nazis.

Yea, the Basterds aren't sympathetic characters.
 
South Carolina Senate Votes to Finally Remove the Confederate Flag

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The South Carolina senate today took the first step to removing the Confederate flag that proudly waved for years over the Statehouse with full legal protection—even as the nation mourned a racially-motivated shooting this month in Charleston.

Even so, the 37-3 vote doesn’t ensure the flag will come down this month—the bill must first pass the house before it reaches the desk of Gov. Nicki Haley, who called for the flag’s removal in the days after the shooting.

That final vote is expected to occur on Tuesday.

(The AP points out that “lawmakers had largely ignored the flag until the killing of nine black people during a Bible study at a historic African-American church.”)

The Statehouse flag did come down, albeit briefly, last week when a hero activist scaled the flagpole and removed it. She was immediately arrested and the flag replaced—for now.

http://gawker.com/south-carolina-senate-votes-to-take-the-confederate-fla-1716069090

The sooner we can get rid of that dumb flag the better
 
Anyone who thinks Dukes of Hazzard is insidious racist propaganda is....let's just say a delicate flower.

I haven't actually watched the show. I don't think it's racist propaganda, but I don't believe that the context is even remotely the same when the Confederate flag is shown on TV and when the Nazi flag is shown. One is celebrated, the other is denounced.
 
Hitler wasn't an idiot at all.

Eh. He had his moments. Though by the end of the war he was probably so messed up on drugs, I guess it's sort of hard to objectively evaluate.

Still, it seems like the man never quite left the 19th century mentally.
 
I get that people want to see him as an idiot because of all the evil things he did, but he really wasn't. He lifted Germany out of a depression and helped turn it into a superpower.
 
Well, world domination doesn't come without a price. He was also mad and that tends to be a self-destructive trait.

But, he did build the Autobahn so kudos for that.
 
Hitler wasn't an idiot. He was a cunning, manipulative politician. He was just out of his element trying to micromanage the military, and the early successes of the Blitzkrieg inflated his megalomania to where he thought he was invincible. Also he was psychotic and on tons of drugs supplied by the quack Morell.
 
You should talk to some of my Eastern German friends. Though I suppose depression is a relative term.
 
Hitler wasn't an idiot. He was a cunning, manipulative politician. He was just out of his element trying to micromanage the military, and the early successes of the Blitzkrieg inflated his megalomania to where he thought he was invincible. Also he was psychotic and on tons of drugs supplied by the quack Morell.

He should have stuck to politics. That was his biggest mistake.

Well that and declaring war on America. And that tiff with Russia.
 
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