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[regwec]

It's not an argument I really wish to provoke, but I would be interested to hear the last point supported by some examples. Who is the black Aristotle, Cicero, Octavian, Charlemagne, Urban II, Colombus, Martin Luther, Cromwell, Voltaire, Thomas Paine, George Washington etc?

Again, this is not a dig, I just feel that it offends against logic to suppose that these people are preeminent in (even revisionist) history because knowledge of their black contemporaries has been suppressed in some way. It might be easier to defend if you are referring to 20th-21st century history.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Every party member?? That would have included Schindler.

Yes. Every single one.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I wish people would stop saying stuff like this. Nobody treated black people that they enslaved "well". Some obviously treated these people better than others but they were still enslaved, exploited for profit and seen as inferior to white people.

Yes, but there is a difference in say beating, raping and starving your slaves daily, and not beating, raping and starving them.

It's all relevant.

 

[Thundercrack85]

People of color (both men and women) have shaped history just as much as white men.

Well, that's not really true. Maybe in ancient history, but not anymore.

At least not post-Roman Empire. Especially if you count Arabs as white (some Americans don't).

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yes. Every single one.

When the Nazi Party was dissolved it had 8.5 million members. You are basically advocating genocide.

 

[Thundercrack85]

When the Nazi Party was dissolved it had 8.5 million members. You are basically advocating genocide.

Of Nazis.

 

[Kelly]

And how exactly are you going to tell who is and who isn't?

I absolutely despise their platform, and beliefs....but to advocate their death makes us no different than them.

 

[Thundercrack85]

And how exactly are you going to tell who is and who isn't?

I absolutely despise their platform, and beliefs....but to advocate their death makes us no different than them.

Post-1945? Kind of tricky. But you could positively identify those in the SS at least, with some of their own records. Most of the civilian Nazi records were either destroyed by the bombings, or by the Nazis themselves.

I disagree that it makes us no different. The Nazis were above all else racists. We're killing an ideology, not a race. All intelligent adults, willing accessories to the worst atrocities in human history.

I have no problem with the wholesale destruction of an ideology. Especially the worst one. In human history. I say the same thing about the Taliban and people act like that's crazy.

Though it's worth noting that a lot of those 8 million died. Not nearly enough. But it was Soviet policy to not take any SS alive. Same in a lot of American units after they saw their atrocities first hand.

 

[Mechanix]

So you want to kill the ideology by killing alleged Nazis?

As a German, I find this horribly insulting.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So you want to kill the ideology by killing alleged Nazis?

As a German, I find this horribly insulting. You sound evil.

Alleged? I am talking about card carrying party members?

Why on Earth would you find it insulting?

 

[Schlosser85]

Yes. Every single one.

So you would have executed Oskar Schindler, who saved 1,200 Jews, because he held a Nazi Party membership?

 

[Mechanix]

You know what happened to people who spoke out against the Nazis in Germany? They were killed. Some people became members of the party or "supported" them in the interest of self preservation.

Your idea is bloodthirsty and fanatical.

 

[regwec]

Never mind.

 

[Schlosser85]

Are you trying to imply Mechanix is a Nazi?

 

[Mechanix]

Are you trying to imply Mechanix is a Nazi?

Oh I missed it before regwec edited his post. I wonder what he said.

By the way, I'm not a Nazi. But I dare anyone to insinuate it.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So you would have executed Oskar Schindler, who saved 1,200 Jews, because he held a Nazi Party membership?

Fine. Not him.

 

[regwec]

I didn't wish to insinuate that, as I have no evidence for it. I note that you adopt a number of rather defensive nationalistic positions, however.

 

[Mechanix]

I didn't wish to insinuate that, as I have no evidence for it. I note that you adopt a number of rather defensive nationalistic positions, however.

For example?

 

[Thundercrack85]

You know what happened to people who spoke out against the Nazis in Germany? They were killed. Some people became members of the party or "supported" them in the interest of self preservation.

Your idea is bloodthirsty and fanatical.

You mean post Night of Long Knives. Still, I'd rather die a Social Democrat than live to be a Nazi.

But yes, I am a tad vindictive. I'm sorry, I didn't know wishing Nazis death was a controversial position to take. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

 

[Schlosser85]

German actor Gert Frobe, best-known as Goldfinger in the Bond movie of the same name, was blacklisted after WWII because he was a member of the Nazi Party....until several Jews living in Israel testified that Frobe had actually hidden them in his basement during the war.

But, ya know, he had a Nazi Party membership, so shoot him, I guess. That's a totally rational course of action.

 

[Mechanix]

You mean post Night of Long Knives. Still, I'd rather die a Social Democrat than live to be a Nazi.

But yes, I am a tad vindictive. I'm sorry, I didn't know wishing Nazis death was a controversial position to take. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Oh don't even try. You're advocating for the slaughter of people who were part of a political party. That would be a large chunk of the German population.

Or maybe that's exactly what you would want.

 

[Schlosser85]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. At all.

You have no idea how many joined the Nazi Party for no reason other than self-preservation, or job security, or as COVER for their anti-Nazi activities or their helping of Jews.

Summarily executing 8.5 million people for their on-paper political party membership should offend any rational and intelligent person.

 

[Mechanix]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. At all.

You have no idea how many joined the Nazi Party for no reason other than self-preservation, or job security, or as COVER for their anti-Nazi activities or their helping of Jews.

Summarily executing 8.5 million people for their on-paper political party membership should offend any rational and intelligent person.

This.

And according to regwec, he would never insinuate that you're a Nazi, but you know...Nazi.

 

[Thundercrack85]

For example?

Your outrage at killing Nazis?

 

[Mechanix]

Your outrage at killing Nazis?

Read above. You're insane.

By all means, insinuate that I'm a Nazi. Really. It would be right in line with the nonsense you've been spewing for the last two pages.