The greatest muppet movie of all time!!!

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There is a script review over on AICN of Jason Segal's upcoming Muppett film.....INCLUDES SPOLIERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I have been lucky enough to get my hands on the script to the new Muppet Movie a.k.a "The Greatest Muppet Movie of All Time!!!" (as theyre calling it) by Jason Segel and Nicholas Stoller. I've read it an thought I'd pass on my thoughts.
Before I get started, I think it's helpful to get my take on The Muppets. I LOVE THEM. I have a huge place in my heart for these characters and many of their adventures. However, I feel the Muppets have been completely misused and misunderstood since Jim Henson's death. I love The Muppet Show, The Muppet Movie, The Great Muppet Caper, and The Muppets Take Manhattan. I feel like all the Muppet films after Jim's death just didn't "get it". There was something missing. The characters were watered down... kiddified, if you will. Muppet Christmas Carol, Muppet Treasure Island, Muppets From Space... ugh. They just didn't feel like true Muppet movies.
Anyway- keeping that in mind, how did I like the new script? Well, I'm going to start with the non-spoiler review and let you know my impressions. Then I'll go into some spoiler-iffic detail for those interested.
The movie revolves around The Muppets reuniting after a huge falling out to save The Muppet Studios in Hollywood. They have to put on a show in the Muppet Theatre and get 10 million viewers to save the Studios from an evil Texas oil tycoon. That's the quick version. How is it? It's a solid, if not spectacular script that, with a bit of work, could be really great.
What's good?
It's obvious that Segel and Stoller really have a lot of love for the Muppets so the characters all feel pretty spot-on. It's funny and silly, just as the Muppets should be. All the classic characters are in there: Kermit, Piggy, Rowlf, Gonzo, Fozzie, Animal, The Electric Mayhem, Sam Eagle, Swedish Chef, Bunson and Beaker, Sweetums... etc.
They obviously worked really hard to include everyone. Interestingly, the only post-Jim Henson Muppet to appear in the script is Pepe. He has all of 3 lines so it feels as if they thought "well, we have to have him in there because he's popular but we don't have to give him much time". There are some reverent nods to The Muppet Show and the first 3 movies that really displays the writers' respect for Jim Henson's work. There are a lot of great cameos scripted as well. Of course, we'll see if they can actually get all the celebrities they want to, but it would be nice. It is a musical which, for me, is a plus and hopefully they'll be able to churn out some songs as memorable as we had in the original 3 Muppet movies.
What's not so good?
There are patches in the script that still feel kind of flat. They need some punching up. The script also includes a lot of spoofs, which is to be expected. But some of them are already incredibly outdated, or will be in 6 months (MINOR SPOILER- there's a short scene written with cameos from Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau that is a spoof of Swingers. Swingers?!?!?!? I love that movie but it is 13 years old! No one is going to get this).
The human characters that befriend the Muppets (Gary and Mary) are pretty bland and generic. I guess that's not surprising considering the outrageousness of the Muppets, but they have no real personalities. Also, I have always liked it when Piggy pursues Kermit but he's either aloof or not interested, like in The Muppet Movie. In this film, Kermit is in love with Piggy and acts like a jealous boyfriend. Not my favorite choice. Finally, I feel the climax of the film feels pretty small compared to the big finishes of The Muppet Movie or Muppets Take Manhattan.
SPOILERS:
Good stuff-
-A good part of the film takes place in and around Hollywood, which ties it nicely it to the ending of The Muppet Movie. They even reference the "Standard Rich and Famous Contract" that was signed at the end of that film.
-When Kermit decides to get the Muppets back together, he sends out the Muppet signal, ala the bat-signal. We then see where all the Muppets are and what they're doing. It's also a very funny sequences. Rowlf is working in a Kinko's run by cats. Gonzo is a crime fighter (including a cameo of Christian Bale in full Batman costume). The Electric Mayhem are performing in some dive bar in Alaska. Animal is in a celebrity rehab center for anger management. Lots of fun stuff here too.
-There is another fantastic sequence that involves the Muppets trying to get a celebrity to host their show that is full of great cameos (Ben Stiller, Steve Carrell, George Clooney, Jack Black, Mel Brooks, Matt Damon) and the villain in different disguises foiling their plans. It's very fun and reminds me of classic Muppet fun.
-Other cameos that I recall are Anne Hathaway and Emily Blunt (in a Prada spoof) and Rachel Ray (cooking with the Swedish Chef).
-There a lot of fun flashbacks in the movie. There's a great bit where the Muppets resent Kermit for always getting to open The Muppet Show and he answers, very simply, "I was the only one who could fit into the O". Flashback to all of the other Muppets trying to fit and failing miserably.
-One of the best cameos, and nods to the past, is in a scene where Ms. Piggy ends up in jail. In the cell next to her is Charles Grodin, still incarcerated after The Great Muppet Caper.
-The one main new muppet is Walter. He is a nondescript brown puppet, so there's a funny running gag of everyone thinking he's something different (a talking blanket, a prairie dog, a beakless bird, an otter).
-On of the best bits happens late in the movie. The villain has a gun and plans on shooting Kermit (honestly, I don't remember why). Bunson switches the movie to "slow motion bullet time" and all of the Muppets start to pretend to be in slow motion while a small puppet bullet comes out of the gun on a stick being carried by another muppet who's making whooshing air noises. Fozzie walks in at regular speed, asks "what's going on", Kermit explains that they're in slo-mo, so Fozzie cooperates and starts moving slowly too. I can picture it, and it's a great bit.
-Finally, the film is scripted to end with a montage of all the Muppets and celebrities who have appeared singing "Mana Mana" from The Muppet Show.
Bad stuff-
-The movie opens with 2 Muppet executives heralding the return of The Muppets and introducing the title (The Greatest Muppet Movie Of All Time). It's not funny, we never see these characters again, and so it really makes no sense.
-Along those lines, the first 15 minutes or so are really flat with almost no jokes. It really picks up once they track down Kermit (in his big mansion where we get a little Willy Wonka joke), but it's a bit of a chore to get to that point. I hope they inject some fun here or people are going to check out.
-Like I mentioned, some of the spoofs are just not going to work. I mentioned the Swingers one. Another example is that we are reintroduced to Fozzie Bear at The Comedy Central Roast of Fozzie Bear where they've written in cameos for Bob Saget, Lisa Lampenelli, Jeffrey Ross, etc... Well this sounds funny now when they're showing these Roasts pretty regularly, but it sure is going to date this movie in 5 years when these C-listers are completely gone.
-They certainly tries to get all our favorite Muppets included, but there's only so much time. So there are a few who make appearances but get almost nothing to do or say: Scooter, Sweetums, and Pepe seem to take the biggest hit.
END SPOILERS
Overall- it is a strong script and I really, really like it. I hope they hammer it out, punch it up, make it faster and funnier, and we may finally get the return to form, and therefore the comeback, for The Muppets that we fans have been waiting for. We can hope, can't we?


I think this sounds great and I hope he can pull it off without a hitch.
 
They have to save a hollywood studio from a Texas oil tycoon? Wow, that's subtle. :whatever:

Given the fact that the muppets haven't made a good movie in the past 2 decades, and the current tensions in the middle east, I think I'd rather have the oil. Sorry Kermit!
 
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So they're finally making it. i heard Segel talk about it on the FSM dvd.
 
Yup and it seems like it's in great hands.
 
Nothing has really been the same since Jim died, but I'm willing to give this a shot because I loved the Muppets as a kid. I did like the last Muppet movie with the Gonzo Aliens invading.
 
Jason really loves the muppets and said on the dvd the tv show was his first explosure to comedy. So like someone said its in good hands.
 
Sounds great. Love the Muppets. Anyway this could be in 3D? haha, j/k.

But sounds really good and I'll be looking forward to this.
 
If they actually get that Christian Bale cameo, I may die of happiness right in the theatre.
 
Ok, this sounds awasme...except for the tiltle. Eh.
 
Who wrote this script review? "mahnamahna" Isnt really from the Muppets,..dummy.
 
I liked Muppet Treasure Island cause it had Tim Curry. Its actually my favorite muppet movie after Muppets Take Manhanttan which is my favorite movie.
 
If they actually get that Christian Bale cameo, I may die of happiness right in the theatre.

I'd love to see it happen, though IMHO it probably is not going to for some sort of "legal reason" (let alone not knowing how amenable Bale would be to it after all the effort that's been put into making Batman respectable again at the movies). Then again, Artoo and Threepio did show up on episodes of both The Muppet Show and Sesame Street, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

The Charles Grodin cameo is definitely a nice touch, though - and I wonder if they've thought of having any cameos by some of the classic Sesame Street characters a la the first three films. (Personally, I would have held out to bring back that creepy Snake Walker guy from the first movie - that guy scared the bejeezus outta me when I was four years seeing him shoot that trident into the Kermit standee)

And personally, I didn't think "Muppet Treasure Island" was too bad myself - it's surprisingly raw in a couple places (such as actually having human characters die early on) and Curry was great. I haven't seen "Muppets From Space", and frankly I really am not sure I want to - let's just say I still prefer Gonzo as a Whatever.
 
The reviewer must not like Charles Dickens, The Muppet Christmas Carol is definitely a Henson worthy Muppet film -- and a great adaptation of the classic Dickens's work.
 
I'd lose respect for Bale & co. if they refused to do the cameo because of a fear that it may undo what they've done.

I've always liked the Muppets movies, as stupid as they got. Muppets take Manhattan is still the best.
 
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I'd lose respect for Bale & co. if they refused to do the cameo because of a fear that it may undo what they've done.
Kinda like WB not letting Fox release the Adma West Batman show:oldrazz:

The reviewer must not like Charles Dickens, The Muppet Christmas Carol is definitely a Henson worthy Muppet film -- and a great adaptation of the classic Dickens's work.
Oh, agreed. It's certainly one of the best. MTI wasn't that bad either.
 
I'd love to see it happen, though IMHO it probably is not going to for some sort of "legal reason" (let alone not knowing how amenable Bale would be to it after all the effort that's been put into making Batman respectable again at the movies). Then again, Artoo and Threepio did show up on episodes of both The Muppet Show and Sesame Street, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

They have allowed Batman references by the Muppets before: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Batman

And for very personal reasons, let me just say the mere idea of this makes me squee. :brucebat:
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But I will believe it when I actually see it. I'm hoping the fact that Bale has a small child might nudge him into doing it should that part of the script make it that far. :woot:
 
^

  • Batman and Robin attempt to capture the Joker but also teach a lesson in crossing the street safely. (First: Episode 0090)

  • Batman teaches the spatial concepts of "around", "up" and "through". (First: Episode 0096)

  • Batman and Robin catch the Penguin's gang who has dirty windows, teaching the opposite pairings of clean and dirty. (First: Episode 0099) [2]

hehehehe

I'd love to see it happen, though IMHO it probably is not going to for some sort of "legal reason" (let alone not knowing how amenable Bale would be to it after all the effort that's been put into making Batman respectable again at the movies). Then again, Artoo and Threepio did show up on episodes of both The Muppet Show and Sesame Street, so it's not like there isn't a precedent.

The Charles Grodin cameo is definitely a nice touch, though - and I wonder if they've thought of having any cameos by some of the classic Sesame Street characters a la the first three films. (Personally, I would have held out to bring back that creepy Snake Walker guy from the first movie - that guy scared the bejeezus outta me when I was four years seeing him shoot that trident into the Kermit standee)

And personally, I didn't think "Muppet Treasure Island" was too bad myself - it's surprisingly raw in a couple places (such as actually having human characters die early on) and Curry was great. I haven't seen "Muppets From Space", and frankly I really am not sure I want to - let's just say I still prefer Gonzo as a Whatever.

I would hope they would have enough of a sense of humour to go for it, Bale has young children to, so he may do it. Sides, it's the frickin muppets!

I would love a Sesame Street cameo. One of my all time favourite Muppet specials was the one where the Muppets get snowed into a cabin at Christmas time, and the Sesame street gang come to hang out with them. The Swedish chef thinks Big Bird is a huge turkey and tries to make him the Christmas dinner :D.
 
i don't see what wrong with mummpets christmas carol. i even watch it a lot even though its not christmas. i love the story and the songs. i watch it all the time. i also like mummpets treasuse island. i also have mummpets from space.
 
I've been thinking about buying the first season of muppets and some of these bits from the script sound good , so i'm excited for this .
 

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