The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[FrostBite]

And then when something shoddy like Incredible Hulk comes along I think we have every right to throw a bit of a tantrum and say "hey, we know you can do better than this."

Yeah, seriously. I ate at this place... "Don Pablo's" and absolutely love their food. Now whenever my girlfriend (who has been cooking her entire life) makes anything less, I scream and whine, and tell her she can do better than that.
Granted I give her time constraints as well, but still, I'd rather yell at her for her shoddy cooking.

 

[co2]

Yeah, seriously. I ate at this place... "Don Pablo's" and absolutely love their food. Now whenever my girlfriend (who has been cooking her entire life) makes anything less, I scream and whine, and tell her she can do better than that.
Granted I give her time constraints as well, but still, I'd rather yell at her for her shoddy cooking.

You think that highly of Don Pablo's......
yuk.

 

[FrostBite]

You think that highly of Don Pablo's......
yuk.

The one here is amazing, I don't know about yours. I like anything as close as I can get to you know, real freaking Mexican food. (Which is why I wish I still lived in San Antonio, where you simply crossed the border, and you got... you know... real freaking Mexican food. Which is like god's nectar on a plate for me.)

I can't even believe some people put Taco Bell in their mouths. It's probably one step up from dog food.

 

[vanglorious]

Yeah, seriously. I ate at this place... "Don Pablo's" and absolutely love their food. Now whenever my girlfriend (who has been cooking her entire life) makes anything less, I scream and whine, and tell her she can do better than that.
Granted I give her time constraints as well, but still, I'd rather yell at her for her shoddy cooking.

I went to this 5-star restaurant and the food was horrible. I went up to management and complained. They said "Hey, we just hired this new guy. Come on give him a break. It's not like just because we're a five-star restaurant you should always expect 5-star food.". Totally made sense.

 

[FrostBite]

I went to this 5-star restaurant and the food was horrible. I went up to management and complained. They said "Hey, we just hired this new guy. Come on give him a break. It's not like just because we're a five-star restaurant you should always expect 5-star food.". Totally made sense.

Actually... that would make sense, if... you know, they didn't already hire veteran cooks. Because you know... it's a five star restaurant.

And seeing as they are a five star restaurant they will replace your food if you are unsatisfied.

Thus, tell Marvel you are unsatisfied, don't see their movie, vote with your freaking dollar, and sit back and wait until either A) another Hulk movie comes out or B) Another hero movie you want comes out.

Whining doesn't do anything. Act! Actions speak louder than words.

 

[CGHulk]

An interesting post. I agree that we were a lot more lenient to rickety special effects in the oldun days. But we've been spoilt by the likes of Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, King Kong, Gollum, Davy Jones, Transformers etc. And then when something shoddy like Incredible Hulk comes along I think we have every right to throw a bit of a tantrum and say "hey, we know you can do better than this." I mean come on we're talking about a 150 million dollar major blockbuster; this is not a cheap Canadian made sci-fi TV special - if it were I might go a little easy on it.

That's not going to make or break a film for me; but arguably when the star of your film is a special effect...well he better be a damn good special effect.

Yup!

Photoreal CG characters are right around the corner, James Cameron's Avatar and Spielberg's/Jackson's Tintin trilogy. In a year The Incredible Hulk will be looking pretty bad CGI, wise!

 

[Nivek]

An interesting post. I agree that we were a lot more lenient to rickety special effects in the oldun days. But we've been spoilt by the likes of Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, King Kong, Gollum, Davy Jones, Transformers etc. And then when something shoddy like Incredible Hulk comes along I think we have every right to throw a bit of a tantrum and say "hey, we know you can do better than this." I mean come on we're talking about a 150 million dollar major blockbuster; this is not a cheap Canadian made sci-fi TV special - if it were I might go a little easy on it.

That's not going to make or break a film for me; but arguably when the star of your film is a special effect...well he better be a damn good special effect.

Well, gotta ask... what are 5 examples of bad CGI... to you? Excluding TV shows and anything older than 6 years?

 

[Shivsguy616]

We never used to be so picky. If somebody watches the original King Kong or any of the works of Ray Harryhausen, you will never hear them complain about how the skeletons were a bit jerky or that the big ape's fur didn't blow realistically when he was climbing the Empire State Building

That is because those things were state of the art and as good as it got when they were made. The hulk now is not up to current standards. Yes, nowadays the original Kong does look terrible, but I don't complain about it because it wasn't made yesterday. If it came out today it would be of terrible quality and people would complain.

 

[FrostBite]

That is because those things were state of the art and as good as it got when they were made.

No, people just have this entitlement complex. Where some how state of the art translates to: the standard.

"I DESERVE this because someone else did it." As I told someone else, if you feel you deserve it, nothings going to change that perception, the only thing you can do is vote with that mighty dollar by not seeing it.

Or wait for it to hit your local rental store in 4 months as thats about how long movies last in theaters now-a-days.

 

[vanglorious]

Actually... that would make sense, if... you know, they didn't already hire veteran cooks. Because you know... it's a five star restaurant.

Next up on "Way To Miss The Point" is FrostBite!

And seeing as they are a five star restaurant they will replace your food if you are unsatisfied.

Stretching the metaphor beyond breaking point. I was trying to illustrate the absurdity of expecting a high quality product from an establishment you can reasonably expect high quality from, only to get something of poor quality and have it defended with a feeble excuse like "we hired new people. it's not our fault!".

Thus, tell Marvel you are unsatisfied, don't see their movie, vote with your freaking dollar, and sit back and wait until either A) another Hulk movie comes out or B) Another hero movie you want comes out.

Riiight. Am I imagining things or did I not write in an earlier post in this very thread that the special effects aren't a "make or break" issue for me?

I'm looking forward to this film. I'm just disappointed that after 5 years the best they can give us is worse than what they gave us last time.

That doesn't mean that there is no possible reward in watching this film. It could be well-written, acted and directed.

Whining doesn't do anything. Act! Actions speak louder than words.

Well stop whining then. I'm just making a calm observation but you seem to get your panties in a bunch when ever the topic of sub-par visual effects comes up.

 

[CGHulk]

The complaint mostly what people have with CG is that it doesn't look real. It will, sooner than we think. look at Davey Jones, at the time of release, alot of people didn't know he was CG, or how he was accomplished. The moment Jurassic Park came out in cinemas the photorealistic standard was set!

 

[Shivsguy616]

No, people just have this entitlement complex. Where some how state of the art translates to: the standard.

"I DESERVE this because someone else did it." As I told someone else, if you feel you deserve it, nothings going to change that perception, the only thing you can do is vote with that mighty dollar by not seeing it.

Or wait for it to hit your local rental store in 4 months as thats about how long movies last in theaters now-a-days.

What does any of that have to do with claymation and stop-motion being state of the art at some point?

 

[FrostBite]

Long rant about how Frostbite misses the point, when he didn't. Whine, whine, tells Frostie he's whining instead, points out things Frostie already knew such as the 'make or break' message, and starts with personal attacks for no real reason.

-shortened up to avoid quoting something to long, that really doesn't need to be quoted-

Oo... temper temper, come on say it with me now -rubs your ears- groosfraba... Angry over nothing much?

I could continue to debate, but apparently I'd just be getting my panties in a bunch, and due to the fact you actually seemed to have missed my point I can tell this will just turn into a round of fisticuffs and we'll derail this topic into kingdom come.

Don't tell me this will be another Comikaze incident... oy.

 

[FrostBite]

What does any of that have to do with claymation and stop-motion being state of the art at some point?

Nothing, it's saying that state of the art,(What do we want to go with here... Transformers, Davy Jones... ? You pick.) Doesn't need to be EVERY blockbuster that comes out. Which is how most are acting.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Nothing, it's saying that state of the art,(What do we want to go with here... Transformers, Davy Jones... ? You pick.) Doesn't need to be EVERY blockbuster that comes out. Which is how most are acting.

Okay, I agree. I was just giving my view on why people complain more about modern films than those from antiquity.

 

[vanglorious]

Well, gotta ask... what are 5 examples of bad CGI... to you? Excluding TV shows and anything older than 6 years?

1. As much as I loved King Kong himself, the CGI stuntmen and some of the dinosaurs scenes beggared belief.

2. Richard Reed in both Fantastic Four films.

3. Spider Man 2. (I actually like this film a helluva lot, and I think the effects on Doc Ock are perfect. Spidey on the other hand...)

4. I Am Legend. (Atrocious).

5. Some moments in Superman Returns were a bit shaky (there's one part where he lands and seems to jiggle and compress like some kind of toy)

6. ...and off the top of my head I can't remember specific instants, but the Star Wars prequels were littered with alarmingly-bad CG (however on the whole I was impressed with it, considering that most of it is straight out of a computer)

 

[FrostBite]

Okay, I agree. I was just giving my view on why people complain more about modern films than those from antiquity.

Oh alright, I mean, I'd have to agree that if we got something say... Jaws bad, I'd walk out of the theater. But people are acting like this Hulk could have been done in the 80's with how bad they are slamming it! When clearly it is up to today's standards, it just doesn't push them at all. And while we've seen Mr. Jones do it, we've seen Optimus do it, it doesn't mean everything will.

My guess is still, the time issue since filming began only last May, they didn't have that much time to work on ol' Hulk!

 

[FrostBite]

1. As much as I loved King Kong himself, the CGI stuntmen and some of the dinosaurs scenes beggared belief.

2. Richard Reed in both Fantastic Four films.

3. Spider Man 2. (I actually like this film a helluva lot, and I think the effects on Doc Ock are perfect. Spidey on the other hand...)

4. I Am Legend. (Atrocious).

5. Some moments in Superman Returns were a bit shaky (there's one part where he lands and seems to jiggle and compress like some kind of toy)

6. ...and off the top of my head I can't remember specific instants, but the Star Wars prequels were littered with alarmingly-bad CG (however on the whole I was impressed with it, considering that most of it is straight out of a computer)

Oh wow, I actually agree with everything here. You can add in Davy Jones' Hench-men from the pirates movies too.

(Talk about uninspired!)

 

[Shivsguy616]

Oh alright, I mean, I'd have to agree that if we got something say... Jaws bad, I'd walk out of the theater. But people are acting like this Hulk could have been done in the 80's with how bad they are slamming it! When clearly it is up to today's standards, it just doesn't push them at all. And while we've seen Mr. Jones do it, we've seen Optimus do it, it doesn't mean everything will.

My guess is still, the time issue since filming began only last May, they didn't have that much time to work on ol' Hulk!

I agree it is up to todays standards, but I wish it was that bit more, it still might be. It won't ruin the movie at all if it isn't, but HULK blew me away graphics wise, I hope this can too, because it definately has everything else going for it.

 

[CGHulk]

Oh wow, I actually agree with everything here. You can add in Davy Jones' Hench-men from the pirates movies too.

(Talk about uninspired!)

The hammerhead shark guy looked real to me. The old guy attached to the ship too.

 

[vanglorious]

Oo... temper temper, come on say it with me now -rubs your ears- groosfraba... Angry over nothing much?

I could continue to debate, but apparently I'd just be getting my panties in a bunch, and due to the fact you actually seemed to have missed my point I can tell this will just turn into a round of fisticuffs and we'll derail this topic into kingdom come.

Don't tell me this will be another Comikaze incident... oy.

This looks like a classic "I'm the one whose upset but I'll try and turn the tables and make the other guy look like the cry baby" maneuver.

 

[jc50_2000]

I think it is fine to use our imagination as much as we can. I had invested my imagination a bit - and it was not jammed out of me - to appreciate 2003's Hulk movie as a whole. I liked the intricacy of the relevant topics in it. I felt for the guy because I wanted to be led by the story and see where it would take me.

Yet, there were some problems with it. I felt that there were two movie contributors who didn't agree with the tone of the movie and both had input in it. Most people felt like something was wrong but couldn't really perceive it. Some jumped the gun and pointed the CGI.

I don't think the CGI was that bad but it was not flawless -- the color, the lack of muscle definition (I heard that stocky/big men are stronger than muscle-bound men), and some inconsistency in quality. If one suspends the pretentiousness of CGI, one could see that 2003 Hulk was not too hard to accept as tangible. I forgave those errors because I wanted to be immersed.

I would see this new movie regardless of the CGI because the trailer led me to believe that it could be a ride I wouldn't like to miss. However, I want the movie to succeed, too. People who spend themselves giving their 'share' of the movie experience are likely to be the minority. I hope only the best for the new movie. And, that is why I hope the CGI is approaching the asymptote of nitpick-proof.

With hope to be regarded favorably,

- JC -

 

[vanglorious]

Oh wow, I actually agree with everything here. You can add in Davy Jones' Hench-men from the pirates movies too.

(Talk about uninspired!)

Well slap me with a scrotum and fondle my ample man-boobs - we're agreeing on something.

I've only seen clips of pirates so I can't say re: the hench-men but I'll take your word for it.

 

[FrostBite]

This looks like a classic "I'm the one whose upset but I'll try and turn the tables and make the other guy look like the cry baby" maneuver.

Nope not at all, it's more like the "is trying to avoid what he feels like might turn into a fight and derail the thread like what happened to him in the Incredible Hulk Video Game Thread" maneuver. (Got pretty ugly in there, hence the "Comikaze" comment at the bottom.)

 

[FrostBite]

Well slap me with a scrotum and fondle my ample man-boobs - we're agreeing on something.

I've only seen clips of pirates so I can't say re: the hench-men but I'll take your word for it.

Oh I suppose they were up to par with Davy as someone said with Mr. Hammer Head. It's just that their designs were so... uninspired. Where as in the first film each henchmen had not just a personality, but it came out just looking at them, which I didn't receive from Davy's henchmen.

I am very picky when it comes to art, I don't look so much at "how real" it looks, but how well it works for the character.