The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[M.O.Steel]

Aliens, Predators and Hellboy all looked great (though Aliens have been CGI'd in a few of those films now too).

The Thing....looked like what he was: A man in a rubber suit (a nicely done rubber suit, but as irritatingly fake looking to me as any dodgy CGI). Basically, looking as he did, he had no 'wow' factor whatsoever (at least for me at any rate).

Ideally, I'd have liked the Thing and the Hulk to be a combination of prosthetics & CGI rather than exclusively one or the other - I personally think this combo would work better in the end.

yeah that's what i've said before. it doesn't have to be exclusively just one. but exclusive Cg just doesn't look that great.

 

[M.O.Steel]

1) Yes
2) I am talking about the fact that Hulk is a monster, not a large green man.
3) Aliens, Predators, Thing and Hellboy are all human sized. Forced perspective would limit the directors vision and would make less dramatic feats of strength. Also, they all look quite lame in proper lighting.

hulk is a monster that looks like a giant green man. if you get rid of the green and show it to people, no one will say he doesn't look like a human. if anything, he looks like a muscle bound bodybuilder, with no deformities at all. they might say he loks like an ugly man, but he still looks like a man.

aliens and predators are much bigger. hyde from jekyll and hyde (LXG) is huge.

forced perspective won't limit anything. it's a movie. if anything, it would look more dramatic because it looks more real.

 

[Nivek]

The above picture was a still, not a frame from a HD trailer. Apples to grapefruit, people.

I've pretty much stopped "debating" with certain people, it's not like they are going to reserve judgement or have their eyes opened.

 

[dark_b]

Since pre-rendered cut scenes are rarely used now-a-days (even on the Wii) and it is usually all in-game, I'd assume they mean how the game itself looks. Someone went as far as to call this new Hulk "pixelated."

It's one thing to not like the CG, it's another to go completely overboard in your description.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNoRqs2saE

 

[Shivsguy616]

hulk is a monster that looks like a giant green man. if you get rid of the green and show it to people, no one will say he doesn't look like a human. if anything, he looks like a muscle bound bodybuilder, with no deformities at all. they might say he loks like an ugly man, but he still looks like a man.

aliens and predators are much bigger. hyde from jekyll and hyde (LXG) is huge.

forced perspective won't limit anything. it's a movie. if anything, it would look more dramatic because it looks more real.

Lol. Have you read the comics? Hulk is a monster. Humanoid yes, but Homo Sapiens shaped, no.

 

[HULKFish]

why do you feel the need to defend this movie? are you getting a cut or a commission? why do you need to change people's minds? He doesn't like the effects. I don't either. and we're both gonna still watch the movie. why do we have to like every aspect of the movie to say we are a fan? i hate the OP flames, but i loved transformers. nothing with not liking something.

I still like hulk 03 and that had less than stellar CG. and this movies looks good also, except the CG.

posters point out the flaws for discussion. I think it would be a lame-ass discussion if everyone loved every detail of every movie.

All said being true... I just feel for one, as I've said before, that since MARVEL is trying to basically do the fans a favor and redo the franchise that I'm going into this with an opened mind.

This 03' HULK pic posted was GREAT at the time... Plenty is not perfect about it. The skin looks like a cross between sculpting puddy and rubber, the face is too fat and the expression makes him look oriental. The hair looks like a bad wig and the muscles are too pudgy... Oh and you can't forget his ginormous cranium!

That HULK looked about as much like Dale Keown's design as I do... But for the first fully rendered humanoid it was great! And I'm sure that ILM would've had vast improvements and a lot of the same things R&H brought to the table. So don't think I'm bad-mouthing ILM or the first movie either.

 

[FrostBite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNoRqs2saE

Ah good ol' Ultimate Alliance, one of the few good hero games...

In any case, I still believe what we are getting in Hulk looks far superior to any pre-rendered cut scene.

If we were to slap those characters into a real world surrounding, with how they are in the game cut scenes I can guarantee it would look far worse than what we have with Hulk.

 

[M.O.Steel]

All said being true... I just feel for one, as I've said before, that since MARVEL is trying to basically do the fans a favor and redo the franchise that I'm going into this with an opened mind.

This 03' HULK pic posted was GREAT at the time... Plenty is not perfect about it. The skin looks like a cross between sculpting puddy and rubber, the face is too fat and the expression makes him look oriental. The hair looks like a bad wig and the muscles are too pudgy... Oh and you can't forget his ginormous cranium!

That HULK looked about as much like Dale Keown's design as I do... But for the first fully rendered humanoid it was great! And I'm sure that ILM would've had vast improvements and a lot of the same things R&H brought to the table. So don't think I'm bad-mouthing ILM or the first movie either.

very well said. i'm a fan of hulk, and i enjoyed the comics, the cartoons, tv show, and hulk 03. while fans nitpick to death, others defend it like their life is on the line. i hope you don't leave, but stay around and discuss. nothing wrong with discussing material, and nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree if we get there.

i will watch this movie, most likely opening night. but i was never really a fan of CG, in spiderman, matrix, and others, although it looked great in transformers. i always liked gritty realism. not to say CG can't help out, but to complete replace humans, i say nay to that.

 

[Kirmit]

hulk is a monster that looks like a giant green man. if you get rid of the green and show it to people, no one will say he doesn't look like a human. if anything, he looks like a muscle bound bodybuilder, with no deformities at all. they might say he loks like an ugly man, but he still looks like a man.

aliens and predators are much bigger. hyde from jekyll and hyde (LXG) is huge.

forced perspective won't limit anything. it's a movie. if anything, it would look more dramatic because it looks more real.

Sorry but no, he wouldn't look like your regular old human. Hulk has massive hands and feet, his shoulders are also larger in comparison to his head then you'd find in any human. Hulk is humanoid but not human, his proportions makes it impossible for him to look human if you gave him pink skin.

BTW I thought this movie was a mix of prosthetics and CGI? That is what we were told. Also I think the thing looked awful in FF, his body didn't even look like rock and he should've been alot bigger.

 

[HULKFish]

Sorry but no, he wouldn't look like your regular old human. Hulk has massive hands and feet, his shoulders are also larger in comparison to his head then you'd find in any human. Hulk is humanoid but not human, his proportions makes it impossible for him to look human if you gave him pink skin.

BTW I thought this movie was a mix of prosthetics and CGI? That is what we were told. Also I think the thing looked awful in FF, his body didn't even look like rock and he should've been alot bigger.

Yeahman... I TOTALLY agree with all of that! Although the prosthetics were good but looks like a guy in a suit.

No way to do HULK by human. MARVEL realizes this, that's why he's CGI.

 

[vanglorious]

His muscles look like stone, or some snake thing. It's not like skin. The muscles' hypertrophy is way too exaggerated. They're like ropes in his forearm.


If it stays like that, nobody is gonna believe it, and the critics will rip the movie apart.

I think the visual effects work shown in that picture are the best we've seen from this film. It appears to me we're confusing two distinct characteristics here: one is the quality of the CG and the other is the design work. Your comment about muscle hypertrophy clearly falls in the latter category - at least to me. To me it looks fine because it's their character and within reasonable limits they should be allowed to draw and represent him as they want. But in terms of computer-generated effects, I cannot see a single flaw in that picture and that is to me the more crucial point.

 

[HULKFish]

very well said. i'm a fan of hulk, and i enjoyed the comics, the cartoons, tv show, and hulk 03. while fans nitpick to death, others defend it like their life is on the line. i hope you don't leave, but stay around and discuss. nothing wrong with discussing material, and nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree if we get there.

i will watch this movie, most likely opening night. but i was never really a fan of CG, in spiderman, matrix, and others, although it looked great in transformers. i always liked gritty realism. not to say CG can't help out, but to complete replace humans, i say nay to that.

Sure.. I disagree with you on the CGI though. And they always say its easy to do metal (Transformers, Iron Man) then organics. I am on the defensive side of the fans but try to look at these things logically also.

By your opinions and your Avy and stuff I'd have to say you're a classic media artist?

 

[Sarg92]

I changed the colour of the skin from green to a more flesh type colour...

What do you all think now?

 

[Zimmy]

It even looks more like I Am Legend monsters!
Seriously, does his teeth need to be that big?

And I still don't get the scar. Wouldn't the Hulk be incapable of getting a scar?
This is a character that has had his stomach cut wide open and immediately healed.
If that was the case, he would look like a burn victim.

 

[Kirmit]

It even looks more like I Am Legend monsters!
Seriously, does his teeth need to be that big?

And I still don't get the scar. Wouldn't the Hulk be incapable of getting a scar?
This is a character that has had his stomach cut wide open and immediately healed.
If that was the case, he would look like a burn victim.

If Banner had the scar before becoming Hulk then the scar would remain.

 

[dark_b]

teh scar on hulk is more deep then on banner. funny.

 

[DarthPollo]

i like the design, but looking at it...if you look at his nose holes...they look weird don't they? like there is no shadow or dimension...they look flat...i know they can easily fix those little details...and As A dentist I can say by measuring hulks face porportions his teeth are a in good size. maybe the color it's what makes them look weird, they are way to opaque (dead) but once again this can be fixed easily....send him to my office and i will put some veneers on him, hehe

 

[Kirmit]

i like the design, but looking at it...if you look at his nose holes...they look weird don't they? like there is no shadow or dimension...they look flat...i know they can easily fix those little details...and As A dentist I can say by measuring hulks face porportions his teeth are a in good size. maybe the color it's what makes them look weird, they are way to opaque (dead) but once again this can be fixed easily....send him to my office and i will put some veneers on him, hehe

I agree on both points, the teeth and the nose. I noticed the other day the nose has no nostril holes, which I'm sure R & H have noticed aswell and working on. Alos yeah the teeth, I've said from the moment I saw this shot the teeth didn't look right, the colour is off and they have no dimension to them, again something R & H will have noticed. Just a question as dentist would you say with the hulks mouth spread that large should we be seeing more of the inner mouth? Like the tongue and inside of the cheek etc etc.

 

[dark_b]

working on? on the nose? please in gods name please dont tell me that there are peopel here who think that R&H are now changing the model. the model was modeled weeks ago,months.
the only changes you will get is in lighting,enviorment and animation.
no changes will be made in may on the model.

 

[wobbly]

^Agreed. The model is a done deal. All I would think will be refined/tweaked at this stage is lighting & blending.

 

[Kirmit]

working on? on the nose? please in gods name please dont tell me that there are peopel here who think that R&H are now changing the model. the model was modeled weeks ago,months.
the only changes you will get is in lighting,enviorment and animation.
no changes will be made in may on the model.

You must've not read my post properly. I said nostril holes, the shot there has no nostrils, it's a very easy thing to add, all they have to do is darken the area where they should be, it isn't changing the whole model.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

You must've not read my post properly. I said nostril holes, the shot there has no nostrils, it's a very easy thing to add, all they have to do is darken the area where they should be, it isn't changing the whole model.

Good to see someone else noticed that Hulk has no nostrils in that shot.

 

[M.O.Steel]

Sorry but no, he wouldn't look like your regular old human. Hulk has massive hands and feet, his shoulders are also larger in comparison to his head then you'd find in any human. Hulk is humanoid but not human, his proportions makes it impossible for him to look human if you gave him pink skin.

BTW I thought this movie was a mix of prosthetics and CGI? That is what we were told. Also I think the thing looked awful in FF, his body didn't even look like rock and he should've been alot bigger.

nothing prosthetics can't solve.

 

[DarthPollo]

Just a question as dentist would you say with the hulks mouth spread that large should we be seeing more of the inner mouth? Like the tongue and inside of the cheek etc etc.[/quote]

Well this has to do with the amount of light that is reflecting in the open mouth, and since this is CGI we can't tell the truth, because it can be either way, a ray of light reflecting inside and letting us see more of the tongue etc..or like this....i think if we see a little bit of more tongue (texture and color) and this will add more realism to the shot...also to the teeth they usually have more colors, they are not just plain white...so if they put some yellow clsoer to the gum...maybe some little cracks, it will look better, but hey, I really haven;t seen this scene in the Big Screen so it might look better than on my laptop

 

[DarthPollo]

Just a question as dentist would you say with the hulks mouth spread that large should we be seeing more of the inner mouth? Like the tongue and inside of the cheek etc etc.[/quote]

Well this has to do with the amount of light that is reflecting in the open mouth, and since this is CGI we can't tell the truth, because it can be either way, a ray of light reflecting inside and letting us see more of the tongue etc..or like this....i think if we see a little bit of more tongue (texture and color) and this will add more realism to the shot...also to the teeth they usually have more colors, they are not just plain white...so if they put some yellow closer to the gum...maybe some little cracks, it will look better, but hey, I really haven;t seen this scene in the Big Screen so it might look better than on my laptop