The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Knightsaber Priss]

I wonder where all the CG critics (not you Godman as you stated you didn't like this as well) were when LoTR came out... I decided to watch Gollum sequences for a little reference to what people praise constantly. (Edit: I mean in that they say 08 Hulk isn't as good as it.)

My god that character is hideous. That character actually does fit the "videogame" description so many have thrown around. I wonder if their love of the films clouds their judgment?

I guess you've started to become very jaded my friend. Gollum's technology still holds up today. Also you should remember just how old the LOTR series is now. I mean what you're saying is like slapping Ray Harryhausen in the face because all he had to work with to create his creatures were armatures and clay. How can you even bash FX that were cutting edge at the time they were utilized? If I subscribed to this sort of small minded junk it would prevent me from enjoying FX driven movies like Jason and the Argonauts or the original Star Wars Trilogy, the unbutchered theatrical prints because it didn't have 2008 quality FX. Excuse these movies for being made in eras where they utilized what was available to them at the tome to create such fantastical fantasy worlds.

 

[FrostBite]

I guess you've started to become very jaded my friend. Gollum's technology still holds up today. Also you should remember just how old the LOTR series is now. I mean what you're saying is like slapping Ray Harryhausen in the face because all he had to work with to create his creatures were armatures and clay. How can you even bash FX that were cutting edge at the time they were utilized? If I subscribed to this sort of small minded junk it would prevent me from enjoying FX driven movies like Jason and the Argonauts or the original Star Wars Trilogy, the unbutchered theatrical prints because it didn't have 2008 quality FX. Excuse these movies for being made in eras where they utilized what was available to them at the tome to create such fantastical fantasy worlds.

Not jaded at all, I love lumps of crap that other people hate even. I don't care about Gollum's CG, I am not out on a mission to prove it's crap. I am also aware of when the films were created and thus dating the effects.

I AM saying though, that only 2 years after the first film, HULK came out, and everyone expects HULK quality from this film. Hulk (In TIH) looks much better than Gollum. The point I tried to make is people have used the whole "Oh effects from years ago look better than this Hulk!" And really... for the most part with a few glaring exceptions... they didn't.

Obviously ILM was well ahead of their time with old green skin. Which is what I've said about 8,000,000 times on this board.

If you knew anything I am one of the least close minded people here. If Gollum type effects were in a film today, I wouldn't even care! CG means nothing to me if it gets the point across. I hated the LoTR trilogy, and it is far from anything I'll watch ever again. But the CG wasn't the reason.



Edit: Would it be to much to ask me to clarify before jumping on me and saying I don't love decades old movies because you assume I hate them for their effects? Heck, I still love cheesy blue lightning effects from the 80's! mmmm t:

 

[Snikt]

Blade 2 - scene at spot lights was horrible
Spiderman (pick one) - what else can I say...
Lord Of The Rings - not one humanoid was convincing
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - Neo CG 100 smiths and all the flights were garbage.
Superman Returns - landing on krypton
Hulk - any scene with him and the new one looks worse
Xmen (pick one) - Oh god no...
Fantastic four 2 - richards dancing in the club...yuk!!

I'll give you props for most of these movies. CG with Neo against 100 Smiths was pretty bad. Lord of the Rings, I thought they were pretty good. Spider-Man, I think they were decent, but they were a bit overused, at least it was better than DareDevil. FF 2 dancing scene, very forgetable. Blade, the spot light scene, very true. Looked like a video game.

Hulk at th time, I though was impressive, but now compared to most of the CG from TIH, I think it looks less impressive. The only thing I'd ask is the X-Men movies. They didn't use too much CGI for humanoids did they. From what I remember, they didn't use it for too many up-close shots.

This is what I liked about the X movies, they often used in-screen effects for their actors. Most of the time.

 

[Doc Samson]

Honestly the only Cg that has ever worked is non humanoid characters. Every single movie that has tried to replicate our behavior have been garbage and disappointing as hell. I understand where you're coming from fully by saying they work in certain settings, but let me run down when it doesn't

Blade 2 - scene at spot lights was horrible
Spiderman (pick one) - what else can I say...
Lord Of The Rings - not one humanoid was convincing
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - Neo CG 100 smiths and all the flights were garbage.
Superman Returns - landing on krypton
Hulk - any scene with him and the new one looks worse
Xmen (pick one) - Oh god no...
Fantastic four 2 - richards dancing in the club...yuk!!

CG just isn't there yet and either they need to stop making scenes in the script that need CG humans or work on it endlessly without flaw till you get it RIGHT!!!! Reason Ang's Hulk was impressive for what they tried is because though Ang wasn't amazed by the Hulk when he saw it he made them redo it many times till we got even what we got.

It just doen't work and honestly Im appauled that Lord of the rings was a few years back and so was Hulk...why not a HUGE improvement??? Mechaniical things do GREAT. Transformers is the most impressive CGI so far hands down as for Humanoid?...King Kong is the closet thing to us that they got right but beyond that??? Can't call it

I can't agree with that. There were certainly parts where it was very inconsistent, for sure. But I dare anyone to watch the scene where the Hulk turns to look at Betty coming down the steps after his San Francisco Rampage & point out where and how it could possibly be better. I'm just talking about the closeup of his face, when his face shows anger at first before he sees who it is, then how he looks ashamed at the mess he made, and does that little gulp swallow that kids do when their in trouble. The expressions, the hair, the lighting, they nailed it. That shot right there was perfect then, and still is today. Loads of scenes in that movie varied from good to bad (or even worse), but most of that Desert sequence was as good as anything ever done, and the shot I'm speaking about in particular, was flawless

 

[hame4479]

I'm putting this picture here just for comparison purposes, I don't think anyone has posted this at this resolution before.

I am sorry but this looks far more real than anything that I have seen from the new film, especially considering it is broad daylight and still looks amazing.

 

[M.O.Steel]

I am sorry but this looks far more real than anything that I have seen from the new film, especially considering it is broad daylight and still looks amazing.

i agree

 

[Kirmit]

I am sorry but this looks far more real than anything that I have seen from the new film, especially considering it is broad daylight and still looks amazing.

The Hulk in Ang's film actually looked better throughout in daylight opposed to night time. It's funny because the new hulk looks better in darkened scenes than he does in daylight scenes whilst the old hulk looked better in daylight/bright scenes than he did in dark scenes.

 

[Hulkfan2008!]

I am sorry but this looks far more real than anything that I have seen from the new film, especially considering it is broad daylight and still looks amazing.

just the face looks more real not the body

 

[Kirmit]

I'm actually going to say that pic of hulk isn't perfect, if I'm honest the skin doesn't look natural and if I'm completely honest, it looks like plastic, the same complaint alot of people make about the new hulk. Well actually maybe not plastic, more rubbery than anything else.

 

[M.O.Steel]

this is a decent night shot.

although i agree that the night shots in TIH are better than the day shots in TIH.

 

[Kirmit]

this is a decent night shot.

although i agree that the night shots in TIH are better than the day shots in TIH.

That's a well lit dark scene, I was referring to like in the lab and the actual dog fight, Hulk didn't look as good there as he did in the tank fight or in San Fran.

BTW, that there for me is the best and most realistic looking scene in the movie.

 

[M.O.Steel]

I'm actually going to say that pic of hulk isn't perfect, if I'm honest the skin doesn't look natural and if I'm completely honest, it looks like plastic, the same complaint alot of people make about the new hulk.

i didn't think the hulk was perfect in Anglee either even if it was great for the time. but to be honest, i expected this TIH hulk to blow that one out of the water, by fixing all the mistakes the old one made. however, it almost seems like a step back oddly enough.

and the fact that we're even debating this instead of there being a clear winner shows that TIH hulk is just not as good as it should be. even if the movie is better.

 

[FrostBite]

I am sorry but this looks far more real than anything that I have seen from the new film, especially considering it is broad daylight and still looks amazing.

I disagree. Everyone always posts this picture so I guess it's the money shot, but it's one of my least favorite shots in Ang's.

 

[Kirmit]

i didn't think the hulk was perfect in Anglee either even if it was great for the time. but to be honest, i expected this TIH hulk to blow that one out of the water, by fixing all the mistakes the old one made. however, it almost seems like a step back oddly enough.

and the fact that we're even debating this instead of there being a clear winner shows that TIH hulk is just not as good as it should be. even if the movie is better.

There is no winner yet, as we haven't seen the finished movie with finished effects. I have seen a couple of scenes from TIH that I thought were better than Ang's, to me this says, if they can get it right in some places then chances are the other parts are being worked on to be at this standard.

 

[M.O.Steel]

That's a well lit dark scene, I was referring to like in the lab and the actual dog fight, Hulk didn't look as good there as he did in the tank fight or in San Fran.

true. i agree the day>night in hulk 03, and night>day in TIH. but i think, even if it's by a little, tini-wini bit, the hulk 03 night > night in TIH

There is no winner yet, as we haven't seen the finished movie with finished effects. I have seen a couple of scenes from TIH that I thought were better than Ang's, to me this says, if they can get it right in some places then chances are the other parts are being worked on to be at this standard.

true. even though i was comparing trailers of 03 and TIH, i agree, the best comparison are the movies themselves.

 

[FrostBite]

i didn't think the hulk was perfect in Anglee either even if it was great for the time. but to be honest, i expected this TIH hulk to blow that one out of the water, by fixing all the mistakes the old one made. however, it almost seems like a step back oddly enough.

and the fact that we're even debating this instead of there being a clear winner shows that TIH hulk is just not as good as it should be. even if the movie is better.

As I said, in my Gollum post in response to Godzilla, really ILM was just way ahead of their time (in my opinion.) I love how instead of praising them, everyone just assumes this is an under par Hulk. When really I just think 03 Hulk is better than most CG effects in today's movies!

 

[M.O.Steel]

As I said, in my Gollum post in response to Godzilla, really ILM was just way ahead of their time (in my opinion.) I love how instead of praising them, everyone just assumes this is an under par Hulk. When really I just think 03 Hulk is better than most CG effects in today's movies!

ahhhh...the new movie isn't made by ILM? wow...that explains a lot.

 

[Kirmit]

As I said, in my Gollum post in response to Godzilla, really ILM was just way ahead of their time (in my opinion.) I love how instead of praising them, everyone just assumes this is an under par Hulk. When really I just think 03 Hulk is better than most CG effects in today's movies!

I totally agree with that, people are moaning 'We're 5 years on so the effects should look better'. Well the Hulk was years ahead of it's time, so I wouldn't expect the new hulk to surpass it, level with it, yes.

 

[FrostBite]

ahhhh...the new movie isn't made by ILM? wow...that explains a lot.

Yeah it's made by Rhythm and Hues, which hasn't done many BIG projects on their own yet. (Outside of animals like Aslan in Narnia and the animals in the Golden Compass.) I believe this is their first humanoid project? (Someone correct me here if I am wrong! I thought the first was I Am Legend but someone corrected me!)

 

[FrostBite]

I totally agree with that, people are moaning 'We're 5 years on so the effects should look better'. Well the Hulk was years ahead of it's time, so I wouldn't expect the new hulk to surpass it, level with it, yes.

I do find it to be level with it, but I don't really think my opinion counts much. (Not being sarcastic, I really do discredit myself.) As I thought the first, while way ahead of its time in the flesh department, looked so goofy (sometimes) I couldn't take it seriously. While this one has a little less perfect flesh it's design is so awesome that I DO take it seriously.

 

[Spade]

Rhythm & Hues was also behind Superman Returns and Daredevil.

If you ask me, I can't see why Marvel Studios chose them for this flick. Their stuff isn't as photo-realistic as folks make it sound, especially in superhero movies. The lion in Narnia and the bear in The Golden Compass were mediocre at best.

 

[Kirmit]

Rhythm & Hues was also behind Superman Returns and Daredevil.

If you ask me, I can't see why Marvel Studios chose them for this flick. Their stuff isn't as photo-realistic as folks make it sound, especially in superhero movies. The lion in Narnia and the bear in The Golden Compass were mediocre at best.

I thought, although Superman Returns being a meh film had really really good CGI.

 

[FrostBite]

Rhythm & Hues was also behind Superman Returns and Daredevil.

If you ask me, I can't see why Marvel Studios chose them for this flick. Their stuff isn't as photo-realistic as folks make it sound, especially in superhero movies. The lion in Narnia and the bear in The Golden Compass were mediocre at best.

I thought they only did additional effects in SR? And had no idea about Daredevil.

Why did they go with them? Really if you were in charge of a young company would you like hearing what you have to say? (No offense.)

Chances are, they worked for cheaper (even with a bigger budget than Hulk) as costs went to other things. Either that or Marvel wanted more studios working on the effects for several projects.

You cannot exactly blame Marvel for hiring an Oscar winning studio. It's not like all their resume has is their work like Alvin and the Chipmunks on it.

I personally think their work with animals is amazing. Albeit stylized, therefor I cannot really call it "photo-realistic" then again, if you've seen my posts... I won't call anything in the cinema photo-realistic yet. Not TIH, Not Hulk 03, not Transformers, not Iron Man, not Kong, none of them have really met the "photo-realistic" standard for me.

 

[Hulkfan2008!]

Rhythm & Hues was also behind Superman Returns and Daredevil.

If you ask me, I can't see why Marvel Studios chose them for this flick. Their stuff isn't as photo-realistic as folks make it sound, especially in superhero movies. The lion in Narnia and the bear in The Golden Compass were mediocre at best.

i wouldnt mind if ILM did the rest of the franchise just as long as they use the new design and look, it would be like perfecting R&H's look.
but i think theyre doing fine for now, cgi isnt the main factor of the film for me although i like it i have high hopes for them completing it and making it as photo realistic as they can, i mean they cant screw up on thier biggest project yet .

 

[Spade]

I thought the CGI was pretty atrocious (in Returns). That last sequence where Superman is flying in the sky is easily one of the worst CGI shots I've seen in a modern production. The plane crash was okay at best, and I don't imagine it's incredibly difficult to do a giant rock.