The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[EmeraldBeast]

i know what "agree to disagree" means. I guess i must be the only one who doesnt understand how anyone could do that and call it a comparison. What ever, it must be an asian thing

I hope you read this. I pulled that pic from the web and did not alter it. I wanted a similar facial expressionand that is what I found. Now, as a fan of the Hulk way before you were born, Hulk happens to be my only Superhero favorite, so I would not hurt the quality of any pic. JUst know that the CGI from 2003 was great for its time. Until we get a hi-res shot, this discussion is done from my end. You see to being going off the deep end with this. Didnt appreciate the Jackass comment and wtf is being asian have anything to do with anything.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I'm defensive cause i knew some jacka$$ would do this, people always need to put down one film to hype up another...

For what it's worth, I didn't think EB altered the '03 pic or attempted to pull off any "unfair comparison." Rather, it seems that Sava had made up his mind in advance that "some jacka$$ would do this," as he says above... and for that, there was nothing EB could've done to find favor with Sava, being the unsuspecting victim of Sava's prejudice. Sava was bound to blow up on someone; EB just happened to be the unlucky soul to get it. But if know Sava, he'll now say, "No, other people have made fair comparisons and I've had no problem with them"... when the fact remains that EB wasn't intentionally trying to paint the '03 Hulk in a bad light, as Sava alleges. And if we accept this fact (that EB had no evil intent insofar as the comparison is concerned), then the question seems to be why, really, is Sava blowing up on EB? Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with the pictures... but I don't know what it is, otherwise. From the past, I've seen Sava get similarly upset as he was here, and it had almost nothing to do with whatever he was arguing about, but some incidental (CJ, a friend of his, saying he was leaving, for example) that was merely related to the thing he was arguing about. My best guess is Sava a.) doesn't like people picking on the '03 Hulk in general and b.) has had a fair amount of emotion toward EB mounting for some time now, until he recently reached his boiling point. Part (b) is evidenced by other things he alludes to (and that I deleted) in the post quoted above. Am I correct on this, Sava?

 

[HULKFish]

HEY GUYS.... ISN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS THAT WE'RE ALL HULK FANS HERE???

Everyone has an opinion but we're all HULK fans here so lets try not to do any bashing...

IMHO I thought the CGI was great in 03 and 5 years later there is a new version. 5 years of technology and a VERY good and under-rated company that's still making a name for itself in R&H got the job and is handling it VERY well IMHO.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

HF, don't you have a manip to be working on?

 

[HULKFish]

HF, don't you have a manip to be working on?

Are you being funny??? LOL!!

Just throwing a bit of reason and logic into the conversation...

But yes... Yes I do as a matter of fact!

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Yeah man... just jerkin' your chain. I eagerly await for "The Official Incredible Hulk Fan Art and Manips Thread" to rise to the top, with Last Post by HULKFish.

 

[The Joker_1000]

really?... lets try.

oh, BTW, here's the same shot you used, yet it doesnt look the same, i wonder why

Get off the guy's case, Sava, he didn't edit the picture. But I do disagree that this movie's CGI will completely top the 2003's Hulk movie CGI as we've only gotten one trailer so it's too early to tell.

 

[The Joker_1000]

you were saying for weeks or months that the reason they are waiting with the trailer is because they are finishing the effect.s you said that the effects will be finished. when it came out you were saying day for day that they are UNFINISHED.

where is here the respect?

But that still gives you the right to insult him for thinking the CGI will be better, right?

Awesome.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

But that still gives you the right to insult him for thinking the CGI will be better, right?

Awesome.

When you get a chance, PM me as I will share some info with you. I have offered it to the few who wanted the info and they never took me up on it. Just let me know.t:It is movie related.

 

[Sava]

The only real one that is truly worthy is the close up with Talbot. That was my personal fav. I'm glad you put all that finished stuff up. We now get to see how inconsistant the design was. with color and facial features. But wait until you get some hi-res shots and then compare. Ithink you will be surprised of how good it will be IMHO.

*sigh*.. the design was changed through out the movie ON PURPOSE, there are 3 different Hulk designs in the movie. Thats not bad CGI, the design has nothing to do with bad CGI. You should have waited until you got a hi res shot before starting your comparison crap, if you knew the shot of 03's hulk was altered, then why use it when you knew people would get angry?... i'm not the only one here who's said this kinda stuff to you, you did this same thing before, with a pic of Hulk in the desert sequence that was again a really crappy pic and people pointed that out too. All the pics i posted has better CGI than the 08's one you posted, it doesnt matter if 03's design changes, in all those shots, he looked real, his skin looked real. If 08's CGI looks better than 03's, i'd freaking love it, TIH needs this, the CGI for this film needs to be better.

 

[Sava]

I hope you read this. I pulled that pic from the web and did not alter it. I wanted a similar facial expressionand that is what I found. Now, as a fan of the Hulk way before you were born, Hulk happens to be my only Superhero favorite, so I would not hurt the quality of any pic. JUst know that the CGI from 2003 was great for its time. Until we get a hi-res shot, this discussion is done from my end. You see to being going off the deep end with this. Didnt appreciate the Jackass comment and wtf is being asian have anything to do with anything.

You've seen the 03 movie...yes?.... then you should have known the pic was altered. You werent talking about design or facial expressions, you were talking about CGI as a whole. You use an altered pic of 03's Hulk, say that 08's ALREADY looks better and now you dont get why i'm pissed off?

 

[Sava]

For what it's worth, I didn't think EB altered the '03 pic or attempted to pull off any "unfair comparison." Rather, it seems that Sava had made up his mind in advance that "some jacka$$ would do this," as he says above... and for that, there was nothing EB could've done to find favor with Sava, being the unsuspecting victim of Sava's prejudice. Sava was bound to blow up on someone; EB just happened to be the unlucky soul to get it. But if know Sava, he'll now say, "No, other people have made fair comparisons and I've had no problem with them"... when the fact remains that EB wasn't intentionally trying to paint the '03 Hulk in a bad light, as Sava alleges. And if we accept this fact (that EB had no evil intent insofar as the comparison is concerned), then the question seems to be why, really, is Sava blowing up on EB? Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with the pictures... but I don't know what it is, otherwise. From the past, I've seen Sava get similarly upset as he was here, and it had almost nothing to do with whatever he was arguing about, but some incidental (CJ, a friend of his, saying he was leaving, for example) that was merely related to the thing he was arguing about. My best guess is Sava a.) doesn't like people picking on the '03 Hulk in general and b.) has had a fair amount of emotion toward EB mounting for some time now, until he recently reached his boiling point. Part (b) is evidenced by other things he alludes to (and that I deleted) in the post quoted above. Am I correct on this, Sava?

... lets see, Dacman did this same thing when the concept art from CC came out, i wasnt the only one who got pissed at what he did. EB and AD have done this, using crappy pics from 03's and saying that 08's already looks good/better than that. IF EB had a hi-res shot and it WAS better than 03's, i'd love it. I'm not an idiot, i dont think Hulk had the best CGI all the way through. Hell, Ang's Hulk wouldnt even get in my top 3 of CGI characters. When people point out that CGI wasnt great all the way through, i've agreed with them. The CGI wasnt flawless, it needed to be, but it wasnt. 08's Hulk design is better, hell, Abom looked great and thats something i didnt expect. I dont like people saying that 08 already has better CGI than 03's when it clearly doesnt IMO. 03's best beat 08's. Then again, its too soon to compare both of them, i'v said this before, alot of people have said this, but no, lets let EB use crappy/altered pics and say that the new one already has better CGI

 

[The Joker_1000]

By all means, he does have the right to think this CGI is better because it is pretty good. I mean, look at how bad Iron Man's CGI looked and now, after seeing the new trailer today, the CGI is much more improved. I'm pretty sure that what we'll be getting with this movie for CGI will be just as good or maybe even better than in the '03 movie. I know it's a little early to say which is better CGI wise but if that's what he wants to think, let him. I've just realized a few hours ago that some people are going to have their opinions regardless of what anyone says.

 

[Sava]

First for all intents and purposes and to answer any questions, I did not alter the pic. I pulled it offline on the web. Second, the cgi in the 2003 version (listen carefully) was awesome. If you look back at my posts since the beginning I clearly state when I watch the Hulk (and yes Sava I own it) I skip all the bs and go straight for the Hulk. My fav part is when he changes after his scuffle with Talbot. The close up is the most realistic cgi I have ever seen and THAT is the measuring stick for me. I hope that clarifies that. Now the design of the Hulk in 2003 was inconsistant facially not physically. He just wasnt ripped enough for me. I would like his size (first Hulk out) from 2003 withe the detail from this movie. his face should be this one though. Coming outta the shadow face was as close to the hulk comic I have ever seen. A mix of both Hulk would be a picture perfect Hulk. Thats my opinion.

if you had used a screen grab from the DVD of that scene, then i wouldnt have had any problem with what you said, i wouldnt have agreed but i wouldnt have replied to your post that way. All my pics were from the dvd.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Now, is this all over?

 

[FrostBite]

Ah Hulk forums.... such brotherly love. :heart:

 

[Sava]

By all means, he does have the right to think this CGI is better because it is pretty good. I mean, look at how bad Iron Man's CGI looked and now, after seeing the new trailer today, the CGI is much more improved. I'm pretty sure that what we'll be getting with this movie for CGI will be just as good or maybe even better than in the '03 movie. I know it's a little early to say which is better CGI wise but if that's what he wants to think, let him. I've just realized a few hours ago that some people are going to have their opinions regardless of what anyone says.

His opinion isnt the problem, the way he went about trying to prove it was. He should have atleast tried to get a better pic before using it, if not, get a screen grab from the DVD he has, and then go about saying what he thinks. You use a crappy pic of 03's, then say 08's is already better and I'M the one people are telling to back off.

 

[dark_b]

But that still gives you the right to insult him for thinking the CGI will be better, right?

Awesome.

did you even read my post? i maybe didnt do the best thing. i maybe didnt to the rigt thing.
but i explained why i did it.

he changed hes mind not because he saw that it is unfinished. before the traielr the only way to manipulate the naive fans was to tell them that they are finishing the CGI. when the trailer came out and she or he saw that the CGI didnt blow everyone away something had to be done. so from it will be unfinished to its unfinished. dont worry guys everything will be OK in june.

this is how i see it. this is how IMO it happened.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

08's Hulk looks, indeed, more feral than 03's. But heck, did Todd McFarlane drew The Hulk the same way, say, Sal Buscema did? Course not.

What I'm eagerly waiting is for the moment they'll finally CGI Abomo's ears in. I miss 'em. It's like Namor without the wings on his feet. They never made any sense, but they look cool.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I don't think he's going to get the ears unless they plan to have him become more lizard like in the sequel which I kind of doubt.

 

[HULKFish]

Yeah man... just jerkin' your chain. I eagerly await for "The Official Incredible Hulk Fan Art and Manips Thread" to rise to the top, with Last Post by HULKFish.

LOL! Thanks... Especially considering it's my obsession! Man, if I only had access to the real image files (logo, CGI shots, etc.).

There are things I love and don't love about the new design and the 03 design. I think the skin never looked like flesh that well in 03 except for a few desert scenes. Human skin texture is definitely a hard thing to master, especially such an un-natural color.

08 musculatur looks much better and the veins for sure add more realism. 03 there was always something that didn't look quite right about the biceps too, oddly shaped... 08 HULK needs more muscle packed on his shoulders and they could be widened a bit more too.

I'm not a total ILM geek although I think they are for sure awesome they do have flaws as does R&H. R&H has done a VERY good job though and are on about the same level now IMO. The movies they've started with haven't been real guyish action movies (Garfield, Narnia, Geico lizard) LOL but very solid work!

But, you know what they say about opinions... A LOT of passionate fans here

 

[EmeraldBeast]

did you even read my post? i maybe didnt do the best thing. i maybe didnt to the rigt thing.
but i explained why i did it.

he changed hes mind not because he saw that it is unfinished. before the traielr the only way to manipulate the naive fans was to tell them that they are finishing the CGI. when the trailer came out and she or he saw that the CGI didnt blow everyone away something had to be done. so from it will be unfinished to its unfinished. dont worry guys everything will be OK in june.

this is how i see it. this is how IMO it happened.

Rather than ask me why, you asssumed thats what I did which was wrong. I was told it would be finished work and it turned out not to be finished. That is not my fault and if I speak on it, am I wrong. No. I shouldnt have t be mute on the subject as Im entitled as is everyone to express the same or different concern or lack thereof. Ask me and I will give you my response. Dont judge and you won't be either Thanks.

 

[Showtime]

Are we about done here?

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

LOL! Thanks... Especially considering it's my obsession! Man, if I only had access to the real image files (logo, CGI shots, etc.).

Ya think?

Yeah, I'd say you've carved out your niche as the go-to manip guy. Keep up the good work.

Re: the skin/musculature, you know, I have no idea about that stuff. If it looks real, then I'm in. And between the full '03 Hulk movie and the '08 Hulk trailer, I don't find enough, really, to complain about.

Agree with your assessment that the '08 Hulk could use "more muscle packed on his shoulders," though. That was one thing I loved about the '03 Hulk... he was just a mountain of muscle in the neck/shoulders.

ILM/R&H... another argument I'm not going to take you up on. Both look great to me.

But, you know what they say about opinions... A LOT of passionate fans here

Yeah. Or just a lot of people with nothing else to do.

His opinion isnt the problem, the way he went about trying to prove it was. He should have atleast tried to get a better pic before using it, if not, get a screen grab from the DVD he has, and then go about saying what he thinks. You use a crappy pic of 03's, then say 08's is already better and I'M the one people are telling to back off.

With all due respect, Sava, you're the only one showing any aggression here. I just don't get why it's such a big deal. At the very worst, you're right... someone has intentionally distorted the '03 Hulk in order to make the '08 Hulk look better. And it changes how the universe operates from this day forward because....?

 

[Sarg92]

I don't think he's going to get the ears unless they plan to have him become more lizard like in the sequel which I kind of doubt.

They did have the ears but they made them different. They must have not looked right so they removed them and went for an earless look.