The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[FrostBite]

That's just an absurd argument, supposing that grown people will only get interested in something that won't bore kids.

A get really bored with hectic stuff they do in order to keep kids in a frenzy like chimps.

Even more: I'm a moviegoer, not an exec. So I don't give a damn if execs will swim in money after it is released, I want a great movie.

Actually it's a fine and dandy argument considering they should be making these movies to get people into the oh.. what are they called... COMICS that created them.

Unfortunately, comics are dying out why? The next-generation isn't reading them. They'll die out with us, and how freakishly sad is that?

 

[Cracker Jack]

In 2003 Hulk fans everywhere hurried to purchase their tickets for the realization of a dream. It was similar an announcement that Elvis wasn’t really dead and would be playing a two hour show for all his fans. It would be broadcast live over the entire world. It would be Elvis Aloha From Hawaii-Via Satellite II. Everyone who could get a ticket did, others bought new 52" flat screens, bars held special events, the world goes crazy. The curtain rises as Also sprach Zarathustra (Theme From 2001: A Space Odyssey) comes up. You hear it. Your heart starts to pound. Then the opening notes of CC Rider starts and you nearly wet yourself and then you see him, Rick "Elvis" Saucedo. You're shocked. Speachless, words can not describe your Disappointment. That's what 2003 Hulk was like to me.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

In 2003 Hulk fans everywhere hurried to purchase their tickets for the realization of a dream. It was similar an announcement that Elvis wasn’t really dead and would be playing a two hour show for all his fans. It would be broadcast live over the entire world. It would be Elvis Aloha From Hawaii-Via Satellite II. Everyone who could get a ticket did, others bought new 52" flat screens, bars held special events, the world goes crazy. The curtain rises as Also sprach Zarathustra (Theme From 2001: A Space Odyssey) comes up. You hear it. Your heart starts to pound. Then the opening notes of CC Rider starts and you nearly wet yourself and then you see him, Rick "Elvis" Saucedo. You're shocked. Speachless, words can not describe your Disappointment. That's what 2003 Hulk was like to me.

That's nicely put there.

And it wasn't too "deep" for my poor brain either. It doesn't mean you're asking for non-stop "Hulk smash" if you say '03 bored you. (I'm a huge fan of the movie 12 Angry Men...which takes place in one room with zero action.)

There are good action movies and bad action movies. There are good "deep" movies and bad "deep" movies. Hulk was bad no matter what label you want to put on it.

For my money, the CGI in Hulk was excellent also....so I don't care how good it is this time...the CGI obviously isn't the reason it will be good or bad. (Well...I would like it to be good obviously...but that is a secondary concern.)

 

[Cracker Jack]

That's nicely put there. .)

Thanks

(I'm a huge fan of the movie 12 Angry Men...which takes place in one room with zero action.)

There are good action movies and bad action movies. There are good "deep" movies and bad "deep" movies. Hulk was bad no matter what label you want to put on it.

For my money, the CGI in Hulk was excellent also....so I don't care how good it is this time...the CGI obviously isn't the reason it will be good or bad. (Well...I would like it to be good obviously...but that is a secondary concern.)

^I couldn't have said it better myself.

P.S. 12 Angry Men is on my 10 ten list. Great movie.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Actually it's a fine and dandy argument considering they should be making these movies to get people into the oh.. what are they called... COMICS that created them.

Unfortunately, comics are dying out why? The next-generation isn't reading them. They'll die out with us, and how freakishly sad is that?

I think the major problem is that the price of one comic is more than the price of gas.

 

[FrostBite]

I think the major problem is that the price of one comic is more than the price of gas.

Don't remind me. It's why I myself have stopped reading despite the fact I really, really, really wanted to read all of Civil War and WWH.

 

[Shivsguy616]

I think the major problem is that the price of one comic is more than the price of gas.

...you didn't say how much gas. One comic can also cost more than gold, depending on the amount.

 

[FrostBite]

...you didn't say how much gas. One comic can also cost more than gold, depending on the amount.

A gallon.... in America at least.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I think the major problem is that the price of one comic is more than the price of gas.

I just went to Marvel.com the other day looking to subscribe. The price of one title was $20-something a year.

Now that's not so bad...but I know for a fact you get sucked into other titles with crossover stories. And I would love to sub to several titles like I did back in the day. (At least Spidey, Hulk, Iron Man, X-Men, and Thor to start.)

They also had an online subscription thing that looked interesting. (And cheaper) Anyone ever try that?

 

[ArtTeacher]

Godman has got to go on everyones ignore list. I am not sure if this elevated mind thing is a joke or if he really believes it. Hopefully it turns out to be some failed attempt at humor because clearly, with posts written in a way that I can only attach a Seventh Graders voice too, I simply cannot think that this "elevated mind" talk is serious.

Listen Godman, I suggest you take the personal ego stroking elsewhere. I don't think anyone wants to watch you enlarge it here. (Ew... Frostbite you so nasty!)

If you really believe all of this elevated mind dribble then please go ahead, live in a tiny fantasy world where pretentious art makes you better than commoners. Just please do it in the privacy of your sheets where you can get off on this kind of thing, rather in a forum of people where you consistently beat people with it.

Ironically Godman, you are not the almighty God of SHH, you don't choose to get to tell people what to think, what to do, and when to do it. And you living your life one way or thinking a certain freaking media is ace doesn't make you "elevated" it just makes you well... a series of words Frostbite isn't allowed to say on the Hype.

*applauds*

In 2003 Hulk fans everywhere hurried to purchase their tickets for the realization of a dream. It was similar an announcement that Elvis wasn’t really dead and would be playing a two hour show for all his fans. It would be broadcast live over the entire world. It would be Elvis Aloha From Hawaii-Via Satellite II. Everyone who could get a ticket did, others bought new 52" flat screens, bars held special events, the world goes crazy. The curtain rises as Also sprach Zarathustra (Theme From 2001: A Space Odyssey) comes up. You hear it. Your heart starts to pound. Then the opening notes of CC Rider starts and you nearly wet yourself and then you see him, Rick "Elvis" Saucedo. You're shocked. Speachless, words can not describe your Disappointment. That's what 2003 Hulk was like to me.

*applauds and wipes tear from eye*

Two great posts in a row! You guys brought your A-game today! Well put, gentlemen!

CJ--Thank you for putting into words what I felt back in 2003 (and every day after until they announced TIH).

There very well may have been people that legitimately enjoyed Rick "Elvis" Saucedo's concert that night. I just wasn't one of them, that's all.

 

[FrostBite]

*applauds*


*applauds and wipes tear from eye*

Two great posts in a row! You guys brought your A-game today! Well put, gentlemen!

I always bring my A-game.

 

[Cracker Jack]

CJ--Thank you for putting into words what I felt back in 2003 (and every day after until they announced TIH).

There very well may have been people that legitimately enjoyed Rick "Elvis" Saucedo's concert that night. I just wasn't one of them, that's all.

Thanks 5150. It's nice to know that there are people who "Get it." t:

 

[Nivek]

There very well may have been people that legitimately enjoyed Rick "Elvis" Saucedo's concert that night. I just wasn't one of them, that's all.

Maybe I was hopped up on the mary-jane. I never thought it missed the Mark that much. Maybe more like Elvis confused with Johnny Cash.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Nivek, A lot of people, myself included, think Rick "Elvis" Saucedo's is as about as close to Elvis as you can get. It's not really a knock just not the real deal.

 

[Nivek]

There was/is only one King, CJ, and he died on the throne in '77.

 

[Cracker Jack]

There was/is only one King, CJ, and he died on the throne in '77.

I didn't know you were a fan. Cool

 

[Nivek]

I'm a mutt, Elvis fan and a Beatles fan (Pulp Fiction ref).

 

[Cracker Jack]

I'm a mutt, Elvis fan and a Beatles fan (Pulp Fiction ref).

Were all mutts

 

[Godman]

Actually it's a fine and dandy argument considering they should be making these movies to get people into the oh.. what are they called... COMICS that created them.

Unfortunately, comics are dying out why? The next-generation isn't reading them. They'll die out with us, and how freakishly sad is that?

It's not bad for comics to die with us because it is OUR gem and OUR time that will always hold that once upon a time thing forever. It's sad that Rambo, Rocky, Indiana Jones and practically all we loved as children have truly ran their course.

Comics are too smart for this new generation that has nothing meaningful to fight or stand for. Comics became strong in a time they were needed in the cold war era and the great depression. Superman was the answer to Hitler, but today who cares. People are weak spirited in this new america and are happy just consuming and waltzing on. comic books had real meaning and Ang actually hit that with Hulk but for the wrong generation. This is an eye candy gen which could care less about great concepts and meanings. Indiana Jones tackles a very important thing with Religion being a brain washing factor in society today. Superman was originally created to tackle communism in general. Batman was basically the idea that most rich people do nothing with all that money but one man is willing to sacrifice it all for the love of his people and the detest for, not crime, but inhumanity.

Hulk tackled the governmental experimentation and as Xmen did it tackled being different and hated for it. Racism and discrimination against non christians, Gay people, and those who are just DIFFERENT.

What message do kids today care about, but a good FX extravaganza. They miss the message. It's like how The Bible too has become this ploy for people to just WOW on the fad of religion and just go cause it's the i thing but absolutely miss the message behind the messenger.

Everything in the last gen had meaning. Music was important. now it's just made to make you move. Remember when Hip Hop was a voice for the urban youth who had no MTV to speak??? Look at Hip Hop now... NO MEANING at all. That's why I believe like the Egyptians. They buried their secrets and their entire purpose due to the misuse it could become in the future. Let Comics go as they are and stay smart as they first were. I hope they never dumb down or start feeding the POP culture of today, but stay true to their initial purpose. An artist is not there to entertain, but to speak of an inner truth about them and their beliefs through art. Comedians do this the best today as the Di Vincis and Rembrandts of yesterday.


I feel that Comics are as important in our HUMAN history and explore more than any history class can explore with all that plagiarized junk to make US look good when we know this country was founded by evil men with slaves.

They should have an hour everyday to stimulate the imagination of children and have them go to a store and pick their fav comic books and read. Should have a comprehension test at the end of the year to really teach them while they are entertained by these marvelous books of fiction.

It would really help both sides of the coin to shine.

 

[Mercurius]

Actually it's a fine and dandy argument considering they should be making these movies to get people into the oh.. what are they called... COMICS that created them.

Unfortunately, comics are dying out why? The next-generation isn't reading them. They'll die out with us, and how freakishly sad is that?

Naaaaah, it's just absurd.

The movies should be made to be great stuff of their own, without the need of sending people back to the comics.

If it happens, fine; if it doesn't, it's fine too, as long as the movie is solid stuff, with respect for the characters and original source (like Iron Man, for instance).

And comics won't die with us, I bet.

People don't care about them now for two reasons:

a) like te folks said here, the prices;

b) the crap they're publishing, in general.

Here and there you spot real fine stuff, like Whedon & Cassaday's X-Men, but in general I can't believe the studios are paying those hacks to draw and write.

Even I would produce better material.

 

[FrostBite]

Blabbity Blabbity

Glad I didn't spend my time reading that, why? It was probably filled with non-sense and a big dose of ego.

And so with that Godman, you are the second to get the pleasure of my ignore list.

I hear it's cold in the world of the ignored, it's like a totally different black dimension where no light can enter, only the chill that runs up your spine... pack some booties.

 

[Spade]

Since we have comments about the '03 film...

I'll admit, when Hulk first came out, I thought it was great. It looked like someone had given effort to elevate the material. I even brought others with me to watch it a second time. What confused me at the time was all of the negative word-of-mouth.

Then, the DVD came out. It's about then I realized how flawed a film Hulk was. For one, the origin story was massive. Alot of people talk about how much time Spider-Man spent on it, but when you think about it half of it was origin and the other half was Silver Age comic extravaganza. Hulk, on the other hand, spent the first act of the film just discussing Banner's origin. We don't get a closed door to that until the movie ends. Then, sporadically, the dialogue drops lines about Hulk's origin that are so confusing that it took a few freeze-frames in the montage and some repeat viewings just to understand what was being said.

I'm reading comments, mostly from Godman, claiming that Hulk was just too intelligent for most viewers. Here's a definition of that word in the Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: in·tel·li·gent Pronunciation: \in-ˈte-lə-jənt\ Function: adjective 1 a: having or indicating a high or satisfactory degree of intelligence and mental capacity b: revealing or reflecting good judgment or sound thought

Ask yourself: Was it in good judgment or sound thought to make a film about the Hulk (the angriest man in the world) predominantly into a drama? How, then, was it an "intelligent" film? The answer is that it wasn't. What it was, however, was muddled and tedious. That's not the same as being an intelligent film.

 

[FrostBite]

Naaaaah, it's just absurd.

The movies should be made to be great stuff of their own, without the need of sending people back to the comics.

If it happens, fine; if it doesn't, it's fine too, as long as the movie is solid stuff, with respect for the characters and original source (like Iron Man, for instance).

And comics won't die with us, I bet.

People don't care about them now for two reasons:

a) like te folks said here, the prices;

b) the crap they're publishing, in general.

Here and there you spot real fine stuff, like Whedon & Cassaday's X-Men, but in general I can't believe the studios are paying those hacks to draw and write.

Even I would produce better material.

Oh no no, don't get me wrong, I know comics are not only dying because of movies lol. I just mean I do think they should appeal to children on some level. That doesn't mean they need to be dumbed down. I was 13 when HULK came out, understood it perfectly despite just coming out of prepubescence.

After all though we all were introduced to them as children... well most of us. I think you can strike a balance of smart and for children, without making it too dumb, or to overly complicated.

But as I was saying, I think they should do a little cross promotion to get people back into reading them. I'd love to see a new surge of comics. Also, if more people read them, chances are the prices will go down, (not to how much they used to be of course.) I mean I and my friends got into comics because of the 90's Spider-man, and Batman shows.

 

[Spade]

Oh no no, don't get me wrong, I know comics are not only dying because of movies lol. I just mean I do think they should appeal to children on some level. That doesn't mean they need to be dumbed down. I was 13 when HULK came out, understood it perfectly despite just coming out of prepubescence.

After all though we all were introduced to them as children... well most of us. I think you can strike a balance of smart and for children, without making it too dumb, or to overly complicated.

But as I was saying, I think they should do a little cross promotion to get people back into reading them. I'd love to see a new surge of comics. Also, if more people read them, chances are the prices will go down, (not to how much they used to be of course.)

It's not necessarily about the writing; Stan's writing drew from mythology and science. Thor was chockful of Norse mythos, and TIH/Iron Man relied on some deal of science. Okay, so looking back on it gamma exposure gives you cancer, transistors aren't that powerful, and Thor wasn't blonde. But he tried.

The issue, rather, is the mature content. Comics nowadays seem to have this thing about being "Frank Miller extreme" or "Mark Millar edgy," where they put in violent or sexual elements in whether it's appropriate to the story or not. Take the Bruce Jones run on TIH. How does horror appeal to kids? How about The Ultimates? Do little kids want to see their heroes killing, raping, and/or eating each other? Outside of a few books like Ultimate Spider-Man or Marvel Adventures, comics aren't aimed at pre-teens anymore let alone children. They're made strictly for teens and adults, and the longer it continues the more the demographic ages and loses interest.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I'll admit, when Hulk first came out, I thought it was great. It looked like someone had given effort to elevate the material. I even brought others with me to watch it a second time. What confused me at the time was all of the negative word-of-mouth.

I tried to like this movie. Parts of it were excellent. The story was blah. I felt betrayed. How did the come up with all this gobbley gook and call it The Incredible Hulk? The better question was “why did they do this?” The origin was so messed up I can’t even put into words my disdain for it. Others tried to rationalize the changes as “updating”, “making it more believable.” BAH!....................breath in, breath out, breath in, breath out. Ah better. To me the drama of the Hulk was in Banner trying to find a cure while being chased by Ross or whoever else wanted his power. Ang Lee might very well be a talented director but the 2003 Hulk sure isn’t going to be a highlight of his career.