The line between Cinema and Comics...

[The Major]

I think Smallville is the worst idea they have done to Superman thus far. They are making a teen drama, like the O.C., for Superman. Terrible. They are changing the character and adding too much love interests and who to trust. What's next, is he gonna try smoking pot? Smallville is an example of when a property gets butchered on screen. Like this show idea Grayson's, nobody really likes Robin anymore, and how do they think it is gonna sell?

They should have just made a Nightwing series.

Not that CW is that good at DC adaptions. All their shows have had the same feel as Smallville with lesser quality.

 

[The Major]

While I'll freely admit the series has its problems (premarital sex amongst multiple "ships" being just one example), I wouldn't say its completely butchered anything.

They butchered more then they did well.

The essence of who Clark will someday become still remains,

Only they never move forward with it. After all this time how much progress has he made to being Superman?

even though it's been taken in bad directions on occasion.

On occasion? LOL

Mostly, I keep watching out of hope they'll tie everything together properly.

You shouldn't have to.

A good show with continuity doesn't require the viewer to put the pieces together in the hope it makes sense the show does it for them.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

They butchered more then they did well.

The only area where I'd say they've done more damage than good is the sexual arena. Otherwise, I don't recall many instances where anything extreme's been done to purposely wreck the mythos.

Only they never move forward with it. After all this time how much progress has he made to being Superman?

Well, so far Clark has developed all of the abilities he has as Superman, save for permanent flight (which the producers have said they plan to give him by the end of the year); his friendship with Lex completely dissolved; he's formed alliances with Oliver Queen and the Justice League members. He's defeated tons of meteor freaks and Phantom Zoners over the years, plus the occasional super-villian like Zod or Brainiac. This year, he's working with Lois at the Daily Planet, and will soon be facing Doomsday. All in all, he's progressed a lot since the pilot.

A good show with continuity doesn't require the viewer to put the pieces together, in the hope it makes sense; the show does it for them.

I actually prefer shows which strike an even balance between giving some answers and having the fans connect some pieces for themselves. It encourages them to think, and pay attention to the overall story.

 

[WeaponXProject]

They butchered more then they did well.



Only they never move forward with it. After all this time how much progress has he made to being Superman?

That's definitely how I see it and why I am angry. They swim in the same lake when it could lead to the ocean. Clark on the range is more suitable. Or 9021-Ohhhhh....there's Superman.

Let's stick to the topic though. There are more characters than Sups and I was refering to Movie adaptions more than T.V.

 

[The Major]

The only area where I'd say they've done more damage than good is the sexual arena. Otherwise, I don't recall many instances where anything extreme's been done to purposely wreck the mythos.

How about when he deliberately put on the Red Krytonite ring when he knew the danger of it?

How many deaths he's been involved in and how many people learn his identity.

The lack of showing that much interest or work becoming a journalist over the seasons.

Well, so far Clark has developed all of the abilities he has as Superman, save for permanent flight (which the producers have said they plan to give him by the end of the year);

True but I'm talking about his personality not his power.

his friendship with Lex completely dissolved;

What's the status of their relationship now?

Hasn't Lex been MIA from the show for a while now?

he's formed alliances with Oliver Queen and the Justice League members.

How much has they affected Clark?

He's defeated tons of meteor freaks and Phantom Zoners over the years, plus the occasional super-villian like Zod or Brainiac.

Yes, but what has he learned form it? How has his personality evolved from those battles?

This year, he's working with Lois at the Daily Planet,

A bit late, isn't it?

How much time has he worked on developing his journalist skills?

and will soon be facing Doomsday.

A Doomsday who is nothing like his comic counterpart.

All in all, he's progressed a lot since the pilot.

He may have made some progress but was it enough considering they've had about 8 seasons over stories?

I actually prefer shows which strike an even balance between giving some answers and having the fans connect some pieces for themselves.

So do I.

It encourages them to think, and pay attention to the overall story.

True.

But it shouldn't be a headache to make things work once you've seen most of the series like with Smallville. Babylon 5, Lost, Alias, Buffy and Angel do it much better IMO.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

How about when he deliberately put on the Red Krytonite ring when he knew the danger of it?

Many fans (including myself) saw that moment as serving two purposes. It showed Clark's immaturity at that point in his life, and his desperation regarding the loss of Martha's baby (which he believed was his fault). On principle, it's not that different from an alcoholic having a relapse; they know it's wrong, but they give in anyway...just to make the pain disappear. He hasn't done anything like that in the 5 years since.

How many deaths he's been involved in and how many people learn his identity.

Most (if not all) of those deaths were unavoidable, usually because the person involved was bent on destroying Clark or those he cared for. Watch the scene between Clark & Martha at the end of "Combat"; it speaks volumes.

The lack of showing that much interest or work becoming a journalist over the seasons.

Clark did assist Chloe at the Torch in the early years. But regardless, his journalism career was always little more than an excuse for him to stay "in the know" where crime was concerned.

True but I'm talking about his personality not his power.

Clark's nobility, conviction, and selflessness have been there for many years now. He doesn't always use them to their fullest, but more often than not they win out.

What's the status of their relationship now?

Presumably, bitter enemies...since Lex vanished during the Fortress' collapse.

Hasn't Lex been MIA from the show for a while now?

Just the last 5 episodes, since "Arctic" was the Season 7 finale.

How much has they affected Clark?

Clark's friendships with Bart and Oliver have seen different aspects. He's been more of a "big brother" to Bart, whereas Oliver's more of a comrade or equal. It was Oliver who helped Clark slowly realize that his journey lies beyond the Smallville city limits.

Yes, but what has he learned form it? How has his personality evolved from those battles?

For starters, they've taught him a considerable amount about humanity, especially his own. He's had to stare evil right in the eye numerous times, not knowing what would happen...and in lots of ways, he's been the better for it.

A bit late, isn't it?

Some would say it's still too early, since Clark's only 23 about now, and Lois is around his age. I guess it depends on how much of a purist anyone is.

A Doomsday who is nothing like his comic counterpart.

Don't sell the producers and writers short yet; they've said that by the end fo Season 8, Davis' character will closely tie right in to the familiar character, and his backstory.

He may have made some progress but was it enough considering they've had about 8 seasons over stories?

Some story elements have taken longer than I've preferred...but in the end, the show is about the journey from man to Superman, and it simply takes time. After all, they're dealing with 70 years of collective history; it can't be easy to distill that into a modern narrative.

 

[Chris Wallace]

They have basically created a continuity in which Clark can never become Superman; not if he wants to have the secret identity & the whole shebang.

 

[WeaponXProject]

As I was saying...the Blade movies in particular were better, atleast the 1st and 2nd were, as horror/action movies with the creative control on the writer and director. If the movies would have been based strictly on the comics they would have sucked, but that's IMO. I am sure we all can agree that we were lucky to have Guillermo Del Toro come along for the 2nd movie, which is my favorite of the three.

This is one example of a property that was adapted well but not adapted close to how the comic book was.

 

[cerealkiller182]

As I was saying...the Blade movies in particular were better, atleast the 1st and 2nd were, as horror/action movies with the creative control on the writer and director. If the movies would have been based strictly on the comics they would have sucked, but that's IMO. I am sure we all can agree that we were lucky to have Guillermo Del Toro come along for the 2nd movie, which is my favorite of the three.

This is one example of a property that was adapted well but not adapted close to how the comic book was.

I'll admit theres exceptions. But i think more times than not staying true is prolly a better choice (but tone- and plot-wise)

 

[WeaponXProject]

I'll admit theres exceptions. But i think more times than not staying true is prolly a better choice (but tone- and plot-wise)

I agree with that. I think crazy fan boys get pissed when the general audience thinks a character is a certain way bc the way he is portrayed on screen. I, too, am a fanboy but I see that there is a separation in these two mediums and I respect that. But still I get chills when I see things from the Watchmen that are dead on the graphic novel as I respect RR, Tarantino's and Miller's SinCity. I think I like the true-to-it idea more than a screen writers adaption.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I agree with that. I think crazy fan boys get pissed when the general audience thinks a character is a certain way bc the way he is portrayed on screen. I, too, am a fanboy but I see that there is a separation in these two mediums and I respect that. But still I get chills when I see things from the Watchmen that are dead on the graphic novel as I respect RR, Tarantino's and Miller's SinCity. I think I like the true-to-it idea more than a screen writers adaption.

When it comes to self contained graphic novels i think they are better off filming very true, while serial characters like Spiderman and the X-Men changes to plot are usually warranted. As long as it captures the right tone and no one is incredibly out of character these changes are usually embraced (theoretically)

 

[WeaponXProject]

Yeap. I didn't mind some of the change in X-1 or X-2. I just wanted Gambit and tough Rogue. Not to mention a Storm with strength. And a Sabretoothe who alluded to knowing Wolverine.

That might sound like alot but I was very satisfied with the first and second movie in all. Same goes with Spidey. Not to mention, I love the Nolanverse of Batman.