The Official Justice League Excitement Thread! [BvS SPOILERS] - Part 1

[idiot09]

Steppenwolff is a very safe choice.

 

[roach]

Just finished watching the UE of BvS funnily enough, I still like it a lot and really looking forward to JL.

My only worry at the moment is Steppenwolf as the villain as I think they could have done something more iconic for the villain. But I am still really looking forward to it, and especially Supermans return.

I just did the same thing and was coming in here to post my support of that movie and JL....are we the same person?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Steppenwolff is a very safe choice.

I just think they could have gone with someone a bit more iconic for the first JL movie. But who knows, if he is done well he may become iconic.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Just finished watching the UE of BvS funnily enough, I still like it a lot and really looking forward to JL.

Yeah, I really wish we had gotten the UE in theaters, as it just flows so much better. The scene with Jon Stewart, for example, was put in there specifically as a follow-up to the Charlie Rose interview with Senator Finch, as pertains to Superman's globe-trotting exploits. Finch presses on what she considers potential and unintended consequences of the latter should people of the world begin to see Superman as an agent of the US government, a point initially raised in a preceding scene with Andrew Sullivan. "On this Earth, every act is a political act."

Here's where it gets interesting. In a televised broadcast, Jon Stewart basically says that Superman no longer wants to be viewed as American, and proceeds to mock him for it.

Why is this important?

A) It perfectly demonstrates the notion that, in a post-911 real world, concepts of right and wrong aren't as easily quantified as they are in the comics. (Incidentally, aside from being a fun and clever nod to the first appearance of Superman in Action Comics #1, that's what Perry White's, "Yeah, and if it were 1938, you could [have stood for something] too" line was essentially meant to convey.) Superman is clearly attempting to do the 'right' thing here by distancing himself from the US government so as to alter the perception that his actions may be reflective of any specific political agenda. He wants to be seen as a representative of the entire world, not just the collective body of a single nation -- but his intentions sort of go awry. Stewart, at his snarkiest in the film, gets it all wrong. In short, no matter what he does, Superman just can't seem to win.

B) It further articulates the complex themes of unilateralism and the consequences of unchecked power.

I could go on, but yeah.. stuff like that makes the movie so much richer and thematically compelling to me.

 

[kguillou]

Glad to see more lovers of the UE, our rebel alliance is is growing ever stronger!

Lol, I kid, I kid. But, I truly feel the UE version of the movie is an epic accomplishment on Snyder's part. I've always wanted 3 hour superhero epic and Snyder delivered. The movie is very methodically paced and character driven and it all erupts into an action packed final act that feels earned and you feel exhausted (in a good way!). It feels like a Batman and Superman movie. Or, rather, I feel its more of a Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne movie.

It's not perfect, there's still gripes I have with the film on a fundamental level but the great stuff far outweigh the bad for me. It's too bad this didn't get its fair shake in cinemas. I'm secretly hoping that we get a 3 hr cut of JL on home video, too, but I do not want it if it's at the expense of a proper satisfying theatrical version.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I really wish we had gotten the UE in theaters, as it just flows so much better. The scene with Jon Stewart, for example, was put in there specifically as a follow-up to the Charlie Rose interview with Senator Finch, as pertains to Superman's globe-trotting exploits. Finch presses on what she considers potential and unintended consequences of the latter should people of the world begin to see Superman as an agent of the US government, a point initially raised in a preceding scene with Andrew Sullivan. "On this Earth, every act is a political act."

Here's where it gets interesting. In a televised broadcast, Jon Stewart basically says that Superman no longer wants to be viewed as American, and proceeds to mock him for it.

Why is this important?

A) It perfectly demonstrates the notion that, in a post-911 real world, concepts of right and wrong aren't as easily quantified as they are in the comics. (Incidentally, aside from being a fun and clever nod to the first appearance of Superman in Action Comics #1, that's what Perry White's, "Yeah, and if it were 1938, you could [have stood for something] too" line was essentially meant to convey.) Superman is clearly attempting to do the 'right' thing here by distancing himself from the US government so as to alter the perception that his actions may be reflective of any specific political agenda. He wants to be seen as a representative of the entire world, not just the collective body of a single nation -- but his intentions sort of go awry. Stewart, at his snarkiest in the film, gets it all wrong. In short, no matter what he does, Superman just can't seem to win.

B) It further articulates the complex themes of unilateralism and the consequences of unchecked power.

I could go on, but yeah.. stuff like that makes the movie so much richer and thematically compelling to me.

Great points, even the smallest additions in the UE add something to the movie, and add something to the later fight between the heroes.

Glad to see more lovers of the UE, our rebel alliance is is growing ever stronger!

Lol, I kid, I kid. But, I truly feel the UE version of the movie is an epic accomplishment on Snyder's part. I've always wanted 3 hour superhero epic and Snyder delivered. The movie is very methodically paced and character driven and it all erupts into an action packed final act that feels earned and you feel exhausted (in a good way!). It feels like a Batman and Superman movie. Or, rather, I feel its more of a Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne movie.

It's not perfect, there's still gripes I have with the film on a fundamental level but the great stuff far outweigh the bad for me. It's too bad this didn't get its fair shake in cinemas. I'm secretly hoping that we get a 3 hr cut of JL on home video, too, but I do not want it if it's at the expense of a proper satisfying theatrical version.

I liked the TC, and in case you are confused I have watched the UE a number of times so have been praising it for a while. So I am not a new fan of it.

I just find that the more I watch it the more I appreciate the movie. It has so many good points the bad ones (mainly Lex), certainly don't bring it down.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just did the same thing and was coming in here to post my support of that movie and JL....are we the same person?

Depends, what's our favourite colour?

I have just felt like watching BvS a lot lately due to playing Arkham Asylum firvthe first time and also watching Suicide Squad. I just haven't had the time much lately. But the UE especially I find that I enjoy it more each time I watch it. Same with the final fight also.

 

[kguillou]

I agree, the film does have layers to it and I discover and appreciate more each time I watch it. I did not like Lex at all when I saw the movie in theater but after rewatching the UC a couple of times, I think I actually grew to like him. There is a lot of dialogue from Lex that I think just went right over my head the first time, mainly because I was so annoyed by the portrayal, but when I actually paid attention to what he was saying and Eisenberg's delivery, I think there's a lot of nuance to appreciate. Still not my IDEAL version of Lex Luthor but I think he is a bit misunderstood.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Depends, what's our favourite colour?

I have just felt like watching BvS a lot lately due to playing Arkham Asylum firvthe first time and also watching Suicide Squad. I just haven't had the time much lately. But the UE especially I find that I enjoy it more each time I watch it. Same with the final fight also.

How did you like AA? I remember you saying that you hadn't played the Arkham games (blasphemy/shame on you ) yet.

 

[Herolee10]

Relax folks, I'm not sure to post anything depressing or sad. Just wanted to ask y'all a question.lol

What would you guys prefer to happen for Superman's character by the end of this film that would serve as a payoff for the "arc" that he's gone through from MOS and BvS?

 

[Sleiek]

I just think they could have gone with someone a bit more iconic for the first JL movie. But who knows, if he is done well he may become iconic.

Exactly, hope that's what happens.

Spoiler

Yeah, I really wish we had gotten the UE in theaters, as it just flows so much better. The scene with Jon Stewart, for example, was put in there specifically as a follow-up to the Charlie Rose interview with Senator Finch, as pertains to Superman's globe-trotting exploits. Finch presses on what she considers potential and unintended consequences of the latter should people of the world begin to see Superman as an agent of the US government, a point initially raised in a preceding scene with Andrew Sullivan. "On this Earth, every act is a political act."

Here's where it gets interesting. In a televised broadcast, Jon Stewart basically says that Superman no longer wants to be viewed as American, and proceeds to mock him for it.

Why is this important?

A) It perfectly demonstrates the notion that, in a post-911 real world, concepts of right and wrong aren't as easily quantified as they are in the comics. (Incidentally, aside from being a fun and clever nod to the first appearance of Superman in Action Comics #1, that's what Perry White's, "Yeah, and if it were 1938, you could [have stood for something] too" line was essentially meant to convey.) Superman is clearly attempting to do the 'right' thing here by distancing himself from the US government so as to alter the perception that his actions may be reflective of any specific political agenda. He wants to be seen as a representative of the entire world, not just the collective body of a single nation -- but his intentions sort of go awry. Stewart, at his snarkiest in the film, gets it all wrong. In short, no matter what he does, Superman just can't seem to win.

B) It further articulates the complex themes of unilateralism and the consequences of unchecked power.

I could go on, but yeah.. stuff like that makes the movie so much richer and thematically compelling to me.

I usually don't put too much thought into political aspects, but damn am I learning new stuff about the movie 9 months after I first saw it.

Glad to see more lovers of the UE, our rebel alliance is is growing ever stronger!

Lol, I kid, I kid.

Don't be shy, we ARE the Rebel Alliance.

Great points, even the smallest additions in the UE add something to the movie, and add something to the later fight between the heroes.



I liked the TC, and in case you are confused I have watched the UE a number of times so have been praising it for a while. So I am not a new fan of it.

I just find that the more I watch it the more I appreciate the movie. It has so many good points the bad ones (mainly Lex), certainly don't bring it down.

You still don't like Lex after watching it a number of times. Lex grew on me overtime.

Scott Mendelson who gave a rotten review BvS has come around, even calls Eisenberg's Lex underrated.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree, the film does have layers to it and I discover and appreciate more each time I watch it. I did not like Lex at all when I saw the movie in theater but after rewatching the UC a couple of times, I think I actually grew to like him. There is a lot of dialogue from Lex that I think just went right over my head the first time, mainly because I was so annoyed by the portrayal, but when I actually paid attention to what he was saying and Eisenberg's delivery, I think there's a lot of nuance to appreciate. Still not my IDEAL version of Lex Luthor but I think he is a bit misunderstood.

There are definitely nuances and layers to the movie that you don't catch the first few times. I think the movie rewards re-watch's a lot and I have always thought that with Snyder's movies. BvS definitely has more re-watching value than SS I am finding, though I do like both.

I have warmed to Lex slightly, and do think some things are hidden in hia lines which are quite clever, but yeah still not a big fan.

How did you like AA? I remember you saying that you hadn't played the Arkham games (blasphemy/shame on you ) yet.

Ha ha I am still playing it, I have about 8 games all on the go at once but played AA tonight a bit more. I am 25% through but really enjoying it. I especially like the Scarecrow bits.

 

[Sleiek]

Relax folks, I'm not sure to post anything depressing or sad. Just wanted to ask y'all a question.lol

What would you guys prefer to happen for Superman's character by the end of this film that would serve as a payoff for the "arc" that he's gone through from MOS and BvS?

Me, personally, I don't have expectations for screentime at all. As long as there is one second moment that plucks at my heartstrings, I will be as happy as a puppy.

So what could that one second moment be? I have thought about it and this is what I have come up with so far. Of course, I am not going to go in EXPECTING it to happen but if does, it will qualify as a payoff for the arc.

Superman, whenever he comes back, I expect him to turn the tide around in the final battle when the rest of the league is struggling to possibly stop an genocide on humans. He defeats the villain and joins the League members after to be welcomed. Batman says something smart and emotional, possibly suggesting that Superman takes the lead in the fight for justice. The world was watching the whole thing and cheers for Superman (possibly after a scene Superman finally gets to say something to the world that he is there to protect them even though he just did - I believe in action not dialogue so I don't really 100% want him to give a speech because his intentions are obvious but if that helps win over the audience then all the better.) So people stand behind him completing his arc, going by what Jor-El suggested that people join him in the sun. We kinda got that already at the end of BvS but that doesn't really count because Supes is dead but he atleast proved himself. Now that he is back to save them one more time, the people will remember that.

 

[kguillou]

Relax folks, I'm not sure to post anything depressing or sad. Just wanted to ask y'all a question.lol

What would you guys prefer to happen for Superman's character by the end of this film that would serve as a payoff for the "arc" that he's gone through from MOS and BvS?

I know a lot of people want him to become the leader of the JL but, realistically, that just cannot happen by the end of this movie, Supes' leadership is going to take time to build up and have to be earned. I think the best way to end Supes' arc by the end of JL is have him come back with a new reinvigorated purpose in life, embracing the greatness that Russell Crowe told him in MoS he was destined for. Besides joining the JL in battle, I'd like the movie to end with Superman formally reconciling with Batman and the two, along with Wonder Woman officially create the JL but Wonder Woman is the "leader" for now. And, with his renewed sense of purpose and outlook on life, the movie ends with Clark Kent officially proposing to Lois.

 

[TripleJ]

I know a lot of people want him to become the leader of the JL but, realistically, that just cannot happen by the end of this movie, Supes' leadership is going to take time to build up and have to be earned. I think the best way to end Supes' arc by the end of JL is have him come back with a new reinvigorated purpose in life, embracing the greatness that Russell Crowe told him in MoS he was destined for. Besides joining the JL in battle, I'd like the movie to end with Superman formally reconciling with Batman and the two, along with Wonder Woman officially create the JL but Wonder Woman is the "leader" for now. And, with his renewed sense of purpose and outlook on life, the movie ends with Clark Kent officially proposing to Lois.

The league doesn't have a leader. And it shouldn't.

Supes is the public face though. Sometimes.

 

[Sleiek]

I know a lot of people want him to become the leader of the JL but, realistically, that just cannot happen by the end of this movie, Supes' leadership is going to take time to build up and have to be earned. I think the best way to end Supes' arc by the end of JL is have him come back with a new reinvigorated purpose in life, embracing the greatness that Russell Crowe told him in MoS he was destined for. Besides joining the JL in battle, I'd like the movie to end with Superman formally reconciling with Batman and the two, along with Wonder Woman officially create the JL but Wonder Woman is the "leader" for now. And, with his renewed sense of purpose and outlook on life, the movie ends with Clark Kent officially proposing to Lois.

Why does it have to take time? The meta world was given a nudge because of his presence. Batman and WW both found hope through his sacrifice. The world already knows this. It's only a matter of time until the rest of the league members started to acknowledge that.

 

[idiot09]

I just want Superman returning to be epic and awesome with soaring music. And I want him to kick ass.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I liked Lex from the very beginning for his sharp wit and creepy menace.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I know a lot of people want him to become the leader of the JL but, realistically, that just cannot happen by the end of this movie, Supes' leadership is going to take time to build up and have to be earned. I think the best way to end Supes' arc by the end of JL is have him come back with a new reinvigorated purpose in life, embracing the greatness that Russell Crowe told him in MoS he was destined for. Besides joining the JL in battle, I'd like the movie to end with Superman formally reconciling with Batman and the two, along with Wonder Woman officially create the JL but Wonder Woman is the "leader" for now. And, with his renewed sense of purpose and outlook on life, the movie ends with Clark Kent officially proposing to Lois.

He publicly died as a martyr most of the people of earth (depending on their condition and where they live) would know of this and that would instantly earn him the respect and reverence of most people, after all we can already see that Barry idolizes him based on the S drawing on the wall in his lair. Then in SS they make it clear the world now holds him in the highest of esteem so he should easily be able to take the lead on a moral level. Ideally though the league has no leader and it is just a free exchange of ideas among equals where the common consensus is the action they take.

 

[idiot09]

Agreed. Although I remember Snyder said he considers Supes " the chairman of the board" so anything's possible. Didn't Henry say Bruce and Clark have a friendly rivalry over who is the unofficial leader?Maybe he was joking.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Well a chairman doesn't necessarily make all the decisions, on boards with a chairman they do have votes, plus Zach isn't always literal in what he says off the cuff and has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth so I hope it is an equal standing thing but if it isn't and they have an official leader as long as that leader weighs everyone's opinions I'd be fine with that. I wouldn't mind the joking about whose in charge though, it would add a nice interplay between them and make for an endearing relationship.

 

[Polux]

He publicly died as a martyr most of the people of earth (depending on their condition and where they live) would know of this and that would instantly earn him the respect and reverence of most people, after all we can already see that Barry idolizes him based on the S drawing on the wall in his lair. Then in SS they make it clear the world now holds him in the highest of esteem so he should easily be able to take the lead on a moral level. Ideally though the league has no leader and it is just a free exchange of ideas among equals where the common consensus is the action they take.

And here the reason why I don't see a problem with the League rallying behind him; when people complain that "why would Arthur or Barry or Vic follow him or be inspired by him? They didn't meet him!"; he's Superman, EVERYONE (in that world) knows him, and everyone knows that he saved the world TWICE already, with the second time ending on him sacrificing his life; even if Arthur, Barry and Vic haven't met him, I'm willing to bet my left nut that they'd have nothing but respect for him and when the situation is dire, and things look they're going south, him showing up and reassuring to them that they can make it would make these guys reinvigorated and ready to kick some Apokolyps ass!

Of course, we're all assuming that Superman's big badass moment will be him saving the day when it seems like the League's going to lose, as discussed here many times before.


Polux

 

[Polux]

I just think they could have gone with someone a bit more iconic for the first JL movie. But who knows, if he is done well he may become iconic.

Not only that, but going with a villain that isn't a well know character, gives them the chance to not only take the necessary liberties to fit the story their telling, while also not having to focus to much on him and dedicating more time to flesh out the new heroes in town and make it all about the League.


Polux

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not only that, but going with a villain that isn't a well know character, gives them the chance to not only take the necessary liberties to fit the story their telling, while also not having to focus to much on him and dedicating more time to flesh out the new heroes in town and make it all about the League.


Polux

That's still a worry for me though as look at Enchantress in SS, that didn't work out too well.

But again, we will see, I do want the villain developed somewhat also.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I'm not worried about Steppenwolf because so far I love EisenLex and General Zod from Zack's DCEU movies. Zack will do him justice. I have full faith in him.