X-Men The Official MCU X-Men News and Discussion Thread

[katie_girl09]

I find Reynold's Deadpool humor a very mixed bag and absolutely agree I don't want him around the X-Men all the time.

But this idea that this must be the peak and it's all downhill from here only makes me think of all the people who said the exact same thing about the multiverse when No Way Home came out. Did that stop the Spider-verse movies or D&W?

As of right now, this is just plain wishful thinking. Maybe it will pan out, maybe it won't. There's absolutely no basis for it for the moment, though.

Wishful thinking? Let's get one thing straight: I don't actually care enough about Ryan Reynolds to wish that he fails. Nor am I one of those people who insists that the MCU is failing even as they make money hand over fist. But it is common sense that when it's the same joke/schtick over and over again, people are gonna get tired of it. And that's really what Deadpool is. Breaking the fourth wall is necessarily going to get less and less entertaining the more people see it.

 

[Lip]

I dont think the multiverse is what is bringing people to the theaters. It's nostalgia. Two very different things.

You can get the absolute worst script for the next Avengers, if Jackman, Maguire and RDJ are there, that movie will be a major success.

 

[Lip]

Breaking the fourth wall is necessarily going to get less and less entertaining the more people see it.

I think that could be quite inventive ways to keep breaking the fourth wall, but I dont think it's what RR does with Deadpool. It does feel like a lot of the same beats.

But Reynolds was quite clever. He did kind of attach the character to him. You can see a lot of people claiming "no one else can play the character". Obviously. He used the character to satirize himself with jokes about Green Lantern, X-Men origins, Blake Lively or whatever. He became bigger than the character. That's quite smart of him, and I'll give him that.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Deadpool breaks the fourth wall, which is why it perfectly fits that he jokes about the GL movie, Origins, and Blake, because Ryan Rynolds is the one playing the character. Any other actor playing Deadpool would likely make fourth wall jokes about himself too, his other movies or his personal life. The character is inherently self-referential.

 

[Lip]

[Tatiana Maslany enters the chat]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

[Tatiana Maslany enters the chat]

She-Hulk also breaks the fourth wall. What is your point?

 

[Lip]

She-Hulk also breaks the fourth wall. What is your point?

She-Hulk doesn't need to joke about Tatiana or Orphan Black.

But my point is what I mentioned two posts before: there are inventive and different ways to keep breaking the forthwall. Just look at She-Hulk, Fleabag or other show or movie with forthwall breaking. But this is not what RR does.

As you also said, Reynolds keeps joking about him. He limited Deadpool to a satire of himself. And he keeps playing with this same beat. How long will that be funny? That's the question.

In a completely different way, it reminds me of Fox constantly playing with the same dramatic beats with Erik and Charles. It gets to a point people can't stand it.

 

[Sithborg]

To be fair, based on the legendary rant that happened during filming the first movie, I think Reynolds is still working through a lot of emotions about Green Lantern.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

She-Hulk doesn't need to joke about Tatiana or Orphan Black.

But my point is what I mentioned two posts before: there are inventive and different ways to keep breaking the forthwall. Just look at She-Hulk, Fleabag or other show or movie with forthwall breaking. But this is not what RR does.

As you also said, Reynolds keeps joking about him. He limited Deadpool to a satire of himself. And he keeps playing with this same beat. How long will that be funny? That's the question.

In a completely different way, it reminds me of Fox constantly playing with the same dramatic beats with Erik and Charles. It gets to a point people can't stand it.

This is absolutely wrong.

He also breaks the fourth wall about Wolverine in the movie and that Hugh Jackman came back to play the role ("Disney brought him back. They are going to make him do this til he's 90." "He's let himself go since the divorce.") Deadpool & Wolverine also pokes at Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck's divorce (*about Affleck's Daredevil being dead* Deadpool: Sorry." Electra: I am not."), Channing Tatum wanting to play Gambit for over a decade (Gambit: They call me The Gambit! Deadpool: Are you sure you didn't just really really want them to and it just never worked out.?), as well as the various fourth wall breaks at Marvel and FOX and even the MCU and its formula.

She-Hulk doesn't need to joke about Tatiana or Orphan Black.

I think the more likely thing is that no one would've given a **** if they did, because Tatiana is not a movie star. What would they have to joke about anyway?

 

[Lip]

Look, you just made my point. When I say playing with the same beats, I'm not saying repeating the exact same joke.

He also breaks the fourth wall about Wolverine in the movie and that Hugh Jackman came back to play the role ("Disney brought him back. They are going to make him do this til he's 90."

He has made multiple Hugh Jackman jokes since the very first movie. Do you understand what I mean by playing with the same beats?

Oh, we got different actors now? A new studio? It's the same beats. How long until people get tired of jokes about Jackman, Studios and RR?

I thought the first movie was cute, witty and a major breath of fresh air we all needed. I did not enjoy the second movie, and the third came for me to realize that's simply not my type of humour and it's fine. I always feel he's a little fart joke away from becoming the straightest of straighest men's humour. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against straight men, I even have some friends who are. But that's just not my type of humour.

But I think it's quite undeniable, regardless also about how you feel about Maslany status, that RR reduced Deadpool to a satire of himself and he has been playing with the same beats for 3 movies.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Look, you just made my point. When I say playing with the same beats, I'm not saying repeating the exact same joke.



He has made multiple Hugh Jackman jokes since the very first movie. Do you understand what I mean by playing with the same beats?

Oh, we got different actors now? A new studio? It's the same beats. How long until people get tired of jokes about Jackman, Studios and RR?

I thought the first movie was cute, witty and a major breath of fresh air we all needed. I did not enjoy the second movie, and the third came for me to realize that's simply not my type of humour and it's fine. I always feel he's a little fart joke away from becoming the straightest of straighest men's humour. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against straight men, I even have some friends who are. But that's just not my type of humour.

But I think it's quite undeniable, regardless also about how you feel about Maslany status, that RR reduced Deadpool to a satire of himself and he has been playing with the same beats for 3 movies.

You said all he did was make jokes about Ryan Rynolds, that he "reduced Deadpool to a satire of himself". I pointed out that this is wrong, that he broke the fourth wall about everyone else too.

Obviously, if your character breaks the fourth wall, the actor playing the character poking at himself should be on the table. If you are going to comment on everyone else, why wouldn't you talk about yourself too? Would it be fair to poke fun at everyone else but not yourself?

As for the things he breaks the fourth wall about being similar, I think that is because its the same genre. Comic book movies and superheroes. Of course Deadpool is going to break the fourth wall about those subjects the most because they are the most relevant to his world. That is the genre he plays in.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think D&W worked because of the nostalgia and the multiverse is what allowed that nostalgia to happen. Deadpool is a bit one-dimensional with the gags and it's notable that the films have been filled with other characters for that humour to play off as well as adding some variation and using the story as a plaform to bring in other X-Men characters.

I'm happy enough to see the Deadpool/Wolverine stuff continue as its own thing as hopefully allows an X-Men team movie to happen separately without either of those two characters hogging the limelight.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So if you take Wolverine out of an X-Men movie, who do you put in to replace him that will put butts in seats?

 

[Mr. Peanut]

So if you take Wolverine out of an X-Men movie, who do you put in to replace him that will put butts in seats?

Well first, they should have reasonable expectations for the first X-men movie since it probably won't break a million right away.

Second, they should make a bunch of separate movies about different X-men related teams, and then have crossovers between them. The crossover factor is what made Avengers a huge jump above previous MCU films. The crossover factor is what made DoFP a huge jump above previous X-men films. The crossover factor is what made NWH a huge jump above previous Spider-man films. The crossover factor is what made DP&W a huge jump above previous Deadpool films. When you get people invested in superheroes separately and then put them together it makes for a very potent chemical reaction.

And then finally they can achieve an even bigger crossover effect by having and X-men/Avengers crossover.


If all they have is one X-men team with three movies over the next ten years, like GotG, they won't be taking full advantage of the property and it'll probably only do about as well as GotG.

 

[squeekness]

So if you take Wolverine out of an X-Men movie, who do you put in to replace him that will put butts in seats?

Gambit.

 

[psylockolussus]

So if you take Wolverine out of an X-Men movie, who do you put in to replace him that will put butts in seats?

The X-Men themselves.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Well first, they should have reasonable expectations for the first X-men movie since it probably won't break a million right away.

Second, they should make a bunch of separate movies about different X-men related teams, and then have crossovers between them. The crossover factor is what made Avengers a huge jump above previous MCU films. The crossover factor is what made DoFP a huge jump above previous X-men films. The crossover factor is what made NWH a huge jump above previous Spider-man films. The crossover factor is what made DP&W a huge jump above previous Deadpool films. When you get people invested in superheroes separately and then put them together it makes for a very potent chemical reaction.

And then finally they can achieve an even bigger crossover effect by having and X-men/Avengers crossover.


If all they have is one X-men team with three movies over the next ten years, like GotG, they won't be taking full advantage of the property and it'll probably only do about as well as GotG.

I think having different X-Men team movies is a good idea. But I think Wolverine should be on one of the teams. Wolverine = box office.

Gambit.

If you weren't going to have Wolverine in it, he would certainly be the next best option.

The X-Men themselves.

The problem with this argument is that we've already had a lot of X-Men movies, and the ones with Wolverine grossed more than the ones that didn't have him in it.

 

[Sithborg]

Well first, they should have reasonable expectations for the first X-men movie since it probably won't break a million right away.

Second, they should make a bunch of separate movies about different X-men related teams, and then have crossovers between them. The crossover factor is what made Avengers a huge jump above previous MCU films. The crossover factor is what made DoFP a huge jump above previous X-men films. The crossover factor is what made NWH a huge jump above previous Spider-man films. The crossover factor is what made DP&W a huge jump above previous Deadpool films. When you get people invested in superheroes separately and then put them together it makes for a very potent chemical reaction.

And then finally they can achieve an even bigger crossover effect by having and X-men/Avengers crossover.


If all they have is one X-men team with three movies over the next ten years, like GotG, they won't be taking full advantage of the property and it'll probably only do about as well as GotG.

Except of course, that strategy is beginning to fail. I mean, Marvel was all to happy to drop Kang, because their lead up to the new Thanos failed. Miserably. You are confusing nostalgic crossovers with a planned crossover with new characters.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think having different X-Men team movies is a good idea. But I think Wolverine should be on one of the teams. Wolverine = box office.



If you weren't going to have Wolverine in it, he would certainly be the next best option.



The problem with this argument is that we've already had a lot of X-Men movies, and the ones with Wolverine grossed more than the ones that didn't have him in it.

The X-Men as a team never lived up to their best potential in the Fox era.

If Guardians can gross over $300 million per movie in North America, the X-Men could do.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Except of course, that strategy is beginning to fail. I mean, Marvel was all to happy to drop Kang, because their lead up to the new Thanos failed. Miserably. You are confusing nostalgic crossovers with a planned crossover with new characters.

I'm talking about crossovers between movies. Kang never even had a chance to appear in more than one film.

Kang failed because Disney relied on a Disney+ show to do 99% of the heavy lifting when it came to creating hype for Kang, and Disney+ shows only have a fraction of the audience that the movies have. To the vast majority of people in the general movie audience, Kang was a one-off Ant-man villain who died, and then had a confusing post-credits tease where a bunch of his alternate universe counterparts were hooting and hollering.

And it's not just about nostalgia...Deadpool himself (Origins Deadpool doesn't count) only started in 2016 and his movies were more successful than Wolverine's movies even prior to the crossover with Wolverine. What made people hyped as hell was the idea of seeing these two already beloved characters finally come together for the first time.

I think having different X-Men team movies is a good idea. But I think Wolverine should be on one of the teams. Wolverine = box office.

I agree, but you were asking about how to get butts in seats without Wolverine. Wolverine obviously is a huge draw in and of himself, and in fact he could contribute greatly to the crossover effect by having his own solo films and then later joining the X-men after we've had a couple X-men films without Wolverine, but it's still up in the air as to what capacity the MCU will actually use him going forward.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't mind dropping Kang, as Quantumania is the worst mcu film to date. And Loki the show is a side-dish so I'm not sure how much they would take from that show into the movies.

The only plot hole from Kang is that mid-credits scene in Quantumania, which was so goofy anyway.

 

[Venom 1988]

And Loki the show is a side-dish so I'm not sure how much they would take from that show into the movies.

You watched Deadpool & Wolverine right? I would say it's a safe bet that the TVA and/or Loki is gonna factor in again at some point.

 

[Silvermoth]

In a way I would love them almost to go for a back to basics sort of approach. Like, it begins with jubilee in a shopping centre and things get crazy from there instead of starting crazy

 

[JP]

On bringing the X-Men into the MCU, Feige said: “I think you will see that continues in our next few movies with some X-Men players that you might recognize. Right after that, the whole story of Secret Wars really leads us into a new age of mutants and of the X-Men. Again, [it’s] one of those dreams come true. We finally have the X-Men back.”

Marvel Boss Kevin Feige On ‘Fantastic Four’ Wrap Date, ‘X-Men’ & “Goosebumps” Moment Filming ‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ — Disney APAC Showcase

Fantastic Four's entry and & X-Men's involvement in the Marvel Cinematic Universe are what getting Kevin Feige excited.

deadline.com

 

[psylockolussus]

The Mutant Saga is nigh.