X-Men The Official MCU X-Men News and Discussion Thread

[Lip]

It's happening in the comics, too. Great example is the 1776 comic that was announced recently. An all-white male cast and Sue Storm travel back in time to team up with "heroes of yesterday" such as George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams. Their mission? "To safeguard both America’s legacy and their own existence."

Gez.

That's why I recently asked if the comics were approaching any political topic. It's so needed right now.

Probably true for the declining general audience that still watches these movies. Even then, there is a fairly broad awareness that the X-Men franchise has always taken stronger stances. If we're talking fans with repeat viewings who will drive a big % of box office, that's a different story. If we get a version of the MCU X-Men as scared of saying anything political or divisive as Cap in Brave New World, then we'll see that lukewarm response mirrored as well.

They've said they want to target an younger generation. It seems to me this generation is very politically enganged (not that incels and stuff don't exist there, look at "Adolescence"). But I wonder how an unpolitical X-Men will turn out and appeal to them.

I'm not hopeful, but whatever...

 

[Weather Witch]

Gez.

That's why I recently asked if the comics were approaching any political topic. It's so needed right now.

They've said they want to target an younger generation. It seems to me this generation is very politically enganged (not that incels and stuff don't exist there, look at "Adolescence"). But I wonder how an unpolitical X-Men will turn out and appeal to them.

I'm not hopeful, but whatever...

I guess a good test run will be season 2 of X-Men '97. There have been rumors of it being very toned down compared to the first season. Hope it's not true, but we'll see.

 

[psylockolussus]

I haven't read the comics in a year! I'm not sure when I would go back to reading them.

 

[Sithborg]

Gez.

That's why I recently asked if the comics were approaching any political topic. It's so needed right now.

The most politically relevant title, and arguably the best of the post Krakoa line up was cancelled. (I was really sad too, because the writing pair on the book seemed ready to have a shipping war with each other) I am kind of keeping an eye on Mackay's adjectiveless, as I do not trust him that much on where the story is going. Simone's Uncanny is doing the best she can, as she is really leaning into the metaphor I think with some things.

 

[Silvermoth]

I must admit, I’ve struggled with the x-men post krakoan age in the comics. It’s a shame, someone with Brevoorts clout could easily take more big swings but clearly he just wants nostalgia and to get the comics ready for the mcu

 

[SumT]

we all know the current situation in USA, some Europe countries and more is horrible.
But imho, we just have to accept that we cant always have the x-men movie we want the most.

Marvel Studios and Jake Schreier will try to do their best (I guess) and some ideas or concepts maybe wont be as bold and brave as we would want.... But well, we'll always have X1, X2 and Dofp, you know? we just cant have it all. We had the original trilogy, we had the prequels, and now Marvel Studios version, along with X-Men 97. What more can we ask for? lol

 

[FrankenCastle]

Let's not pretend that the Fox movies were the most politically charged movies in the world lol, when it tackled politics it was mostly surface level. Yet, they released in a very tense climate, the Patriot act and its execesses were the perfect ground for an X-Men story.

Give me an X2/First Class level quality movie, I'll be very satisfied, not a political person by nature.

 

[SumT]

yeah, I was thinking a similar thing. Its not like we got the most political x-Men movies possible, it was just a few scenes here and there. But the main villains were Magneto, Striker and Dark Phoenix. well, and Shaw/Apocalypse. it was a diverse saga after all. Marvel will do the same, but bigger and bigger

 

[psylockolussus]

The movie isn't coming out/shooting anytime soon. No one is cast yet. Who knows if they rewrite things while shooting?

As of the moment their focus is on Brand New Day, Doomsday and Secret Wars - not a reboot that may or may not come out in 2028 to 2030.

 

[SumT]

you seem to repeat the same thing week after week.
Whats the point exactly?

 

[psylockolussus]

Let's not pretend that the Fox movies were the most politically charged movies in the world lol, when it tackled politics it was mostly surface level. Yet, they released in a very tense climate, the Patriot act and its execesses were the perfect ground for an X-Men story.

Give me an X2/First Class level quality movie, I'll be very satisfied, not a political person by nature.

I have faith that Kevin Feige and Jake could pull it off.

 

[Sithborg]

Let's not pretend that the Fox movies were the most politically charged movies in the world lol, when it tackled politics it was mostly surface level. Yet, they released in a very tense climate, the Patriot act and its execesses were the perfect ground for an X-Men story.

Give me an X2/First Class level quality movie, I'll be very satisfied, not a political person by nature.

And yet, X1, I feel, has only become more and more politically relevant. Hell, X2 is feeling a bit relevant at the moment.

But, what we are looking at right now, is an X3. Which is an abomination in terms of the mutant allegory. Turning the X-men into collaborators to their own genocide.

You may be a surface level fan of the X-men, but a lot of us are not.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

X-Men 3 is an terrible movie, but don't the X-Men primarily prevent Magneto from killing a kid (a mutant kid at that)? What exactly do they do in the movie that "turns them into collaborators to their own genocide"? I am confused.

 

[FrankenCastle]

And yet, X1, I feel, has only become more and more politically relevant. Hell, X2 is feeling a bit relevant at the moment.

X1’s Mutant Registration Act is a solid allegory for discrimination, but it’s broad strokes, fear of the “other” was just as relevant in 2000 as now. It’s not like it’s uniquely speaking to 2025’s issues; it’s just a timeless setup. Same with X2, Stryker’s mutant hunt screams post-9/11 paranoia, but it’s more comic-book villainy than a deep cut at government policy, especially since the president was yet just another victim of Stryker's manipulations (not the case of Bush). Those films are great, but their politics are more vibe than manifesto.

But, what we are looking at right now, is an X3. Which is an abomination in terms of the mutant allegory. Turning the X-men into collaborators to their own genocide.

That’s way overblown. The X-Men fight to keep the cure voluntary, not forced. Storm literally shuts down the idea of needing to be “fixed.” Rogue’s choice is about her personal struggle, not selling out mutantkind. Sure, X3’s a mess, but it’s still wrestling with the same identity questions as the comics

Also:

You may be a surface level fan of the X-men, but a lot of us are not.

Like many kids, I grew up on the X-Men. I love them for their heart, action, and yes, their allegory, without needing to make every scene a lecture, sucking the fun out for everyone else.

 

[Silvermoth]

we all know the current situation in USA, some Europe countries and more is horrible.
But imho, we just have to accept that we cant always have the x-men movie we want the most.

Marvel Studios and Jake Schreier will try to do their best (I guess) and some ideas or concepts maybe wont be as bold and brave as we would want.... But well, we'll always have X1, X2 and Dofp, you know? we just cant have it all. We had the original trilogy, we had the prequels, and now Marvel Studios version, along with X-Men 97. What more can we ask for? lol

That’s kind of a shame though to not aim big. I know we’re not going to get the xmen movie that will rise to the era we’re in but still, like, Batman fans aren’t prepared to sacrifice the characters ethos for every new movie. Nor avengers fans, Spider-Man etc. Superman’s movies constantly had him sacrificing his ethos until recently and we all know how that turned out.

It’s just a shame we live in a world smaller than the central points of the xmen franchise.

Ah well we don’t know until it comes out. It may surprise us. I just hope marvel is reading this and sees the fans really want a movie that matters and not just fireworks

 

[FrankenCastle]

Screw politics, how do you guys navigate the Fox saga with all its continuity issues?

A couple years ago I was toying with the X-Men continuity and discovered that you can experience the saga in lots of different manners :

1. X-Men
2. X-Men United
3. X-Men : Last Stand
4. X-Men : First Class
5. The Wolverine
6. X-Men : Days of Future Past
7. X-Men : Apocalypse (sh*t movie, but great conclusion for the saga)

I skipped Wolverine Origins, Deadpool 1 & 2, Logan, Dark Phoenix, and New Mutants because they don't fit in.

X-Men '97 gave me the need to get another crack at the franchise but I didn't have a lot of time, so I came up with what I consider probably the best way for non-Marvel fans to have a shot at the X-Men saga :

1. X-Men
2. X-Men United
3. Logan

This makes a perfect trilogy, with little to no inconsistencies, there are only some nods to the first X-Men film and some references to the Weapon X program which can be found in the second installment. What's left is a great three-parter with the thematic of found-family as its core

 

[Sithborg]

X1’s Mutant Registration Act is a solid allegory for discrimination, but it’s broad strokes, fear of the “other” was just as relevant in 2000 as now. It’s not like it’s uniquely speaking to 2025’s issues; it’s just a timeless setup. Same with X2, Stryker’s mutant hunt screams post-9/11 paranoia, but it’s more comic-book villainy than a deep cut at government policy, especially since the president was yet just another victim of Stryker's manipulations (not the case of Bush). Those films are great, but their politics are more vibe than manifesto.

That’s way overblown. The X-Men fight to keep the cure voluntary, not forced. Storm literally shuts down the idea of needing to be “fixed.” Rogue’s choice is about her personal struggle, not selling out mutantkind. Sure, X3’s a mess, but it’s still wrestling with the same identity questions as the comics

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Like many kids, I grew up on the X-Men. I love them for their heart, action, and yes, their allegory, without needing to make every scene a lecture, sucking the fun out for everyone else.

Good reminder. X3 was made by a homophobe. Who made Elliot Page's life miserable because he was gay. And the framing of the cure, when Singer had made it very, very much an allegory to being gay in X2, is disgusting in the context of conversion therapy.

And it really gets down to the core of my worry of the X-men allegory when Disney wants to please fascist regimes, whether China or america. There is a subtle difference in "fighting for a world that fears them". Fighting to belong vs fighting for acceptance. Fighting to assimilate into the majority vs fighting to be who you are.

And yes, on reflection I do call the X-men fighting along side soldiers who are using the "cure" as a weapon as siding with their oppressors. Beast said it was never supposed to be weaponized, only voluntary. And yet, here they are, fighting alongside those who wish to force mutants to become normal.

I am not looking for a lecture. But, Black Panther is my base expectation. Nothing I've seen makes me think they can get close to that bar.

 

[FrankenCastle]

Good reminder. X3 was made by a homophobe. Who made Elliot Page's life miserable because he was gay. And the framing of the cure, when Singer had made it very, very much an allegory to being gay in X2, is disgusting in the context of conversion therapy.

And it really gets down to the core of my worry of the X-men allegory when Disney wants to please fascist regimes, whether China or america. There is a subtle difference in "fighting for a world that fears them". Fighting to belong vs fighting for acceptance. Fighting to assimilate into the majority vs fighting to be who you are.

And yes, on reflection I do call the X-men fighting along side soldiers who are using the "cure" as a weapon as siding with their oppressors. Beast said it was never supposed to be weaponized, only voluntary. And yet, here they are, fighting alongside those who wish to force mutants to become normal.

I am not looking for a lecture. But, Black Panther is my base expectation. Nothing I've seen makes me think they can get close to that bar.

Singer wasn’t out in 2003, audiences saw X2 as broad discrimination, not a gay manifesto, that reveal came years after. X3’s cure plot builds on that, resisting forced assimilation, not rejecting it. The X-Men don’t "side with oppressors"; they fight Magneto to stop a war while defending mutant choice. Beast says the cure’s voluntary, and Storm shuts down "fixing" mutants. Those cure darts? That’s the military, not the X-Men’s agenda.

In Black Panther, T’Challa stops supremacist Killmonger. So why expect the X-Men to back Magneto, who’s just as much a supremacist and who doesn't really care about "lesser" mutants (In chess the pawns go first). If we are to admire T’Challa’s moderate approach, why fault the X-Men for rejecting Magneto’s extremism?

One of my favorite comic panels, is when the Red Skull of all people calls out Magneto for his BS.