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$500 is the sweet spot for high performance consoles at launch IMO.
I agree! Sony needs to just take their losses and cut the price of the Ps5 to $400. if they need to, just discontinue the All Digital edition. they already cut the price of the Spider-Man 2 bundle to $450 and it seems like a permanent price cut
 
I agree! Sony needs to just take their losses and cut the price of the Ps5 to $400. if they need to, just discontinue the All Digital edition. they already cut the price of the Spider-Man 2 bundle to $450 and it seems like a permanent price cut
The digital one at a super low price would theoretically be a casual’s dream and could get new people in the door. The only problem is that for some reason old digital games are super-expensive compared to old physical games, making the whole thing not work as intended. The digital console in that sense is better for people who are happy to pay more for games (for the benefit of convenience) that they can never sell.
 
The digital one at a super low price would theoretically be a casual’s dream and could get new people in the door. The only problem is that for some reason old digital games are super-expensive compared to old physical games, making the whole thing not work as intended. The digital console in that sense is better for people who are happy to pay more for games (for the benefit of convenience) that they can never sell.
the All Digital is all about convenience, yeah. and a theoretical price cut would match it with the Series S. but, my understanding is that Sony is really bleeding with sales of that console so it would really hurt them by cutting the price on it. I just can't see them doing it.
 

I played some of it. Demo drops you right into some sci-fi gibberish story and characters but it’s focused on combat. Combat you fight defensively so it’s closer to maybe something like Onimusha or Code Vein with lots of skill trees. There’s three different graphics options and the music is like an electronic Nier. There’s an Arkham-like Detective Mode to help you figure out where to go, despite the demo being linear it’s not always clear.
 
that's the safe thing to do. but personally, I am hoping it's going to be true because it means the leap for the next generation, Ps6 is going to be (hopefully) astronomical, if I may be hyperbolic.

We'll see. I'm just going off how general computer components evolve in performance and price, where we aren't seeing great performance increases per dollar anymore. But Sony does need to deliver to stay ahead of the competition.

I know, I heard about the whole side-loading apps thing that they're allowing which they didn't allow for a long time, even though I don't understand it. Adding USBC to iPhones was probably one of the best things they were forced to do, but I feel like with them preemptively adding RCS means they could do it their own way which could be the bare minimum.

Which is sad, because if they had the same forced hand with USBC, then it could have been a full fledged RCS experience with Androids. Google did announce that they're going to help Apple with the RCS implementation, so here's to hoping that the bubbles at least will not be green. I want them to be purple.

We haven't seen the end of that whole thing and what Apple will do in the end. There are even some that think that they will abandon the EU market, but that's something I don't see happening. Currently there's a consistent struggle between Apple and Epic Games regarding these legal issues so we'll see where everything ends up. I'm just always glad when governments don't take the side of the gigantic corporations and instead look at what's good for competition and the consumers. With all the lobbying that's certainly not something one can take for granted.

that's true. Apple has gotten away with pricing their products exorbitantly, but if they bought Sony and the prices of playstation consoles got raised to $600 again, like I said before they'd already be doomed to fail.

I'm not sure. They may get their big loyal customer base to all become gamers. Apple has managed to create some remarkable brand loyalty.
 
We'll see. I'm just going off how general computer components evolve in performance and price, where we aren't seeing great performance increases per dollar anymore. But Sony does need to deliver to stay ahead of the competition.
But they also have to price accordingly to stay ahead of the competition. One reason why Ps3 struggled so much for the first few years of the seventh generation was because of its price tag, especially when compared to the 360 and Wii.
We haven't seen the end of that whole thing and what Apple will do in the end. There are even some that think that they will abandon the EU market, but that's something I don't see happening. Currently there's a consistent struggle between Apple and Epic Games regarding these legal issues so we'll see where everything ends up. I'm just always glad when governments don't take the side of the gigantic corporations and instead look at what's good for competition and the consumers. With all the lobbying that's certainly not something one can take for granted.
I'm not too familiar with what's going on between Apple and Epic, but yeah the Front Page Tech guy made a video about how since Apple gave the EU what they wanted (to make iPhones have USBC) now they're gonna continue demanding things from Apple for everything.

But if they were going to leave the EU market, they would have/should have done that already. The EU needs the iPhones more than iPhones need to sell there.
I'm not sure. They may get their big loyal customer base to all become gamers. Apple has managed to create some remarkable brand loyalty.
I dunno about that. I feel like a lot of people with iPhones also have PlayStations so I don't think suddenly becoming an Apple product will sway them. I suppose a higher price point might just make them think that paying more is worth it, I just cannot help like it will be inevitable doom.
 
Yes I want to be able to emulate PS3 games like LBP, SOCOM series, Resistance Trilogy, MGS4 and Killzone 2 and 3
hell yes, MGS4 is arguably the greatest Ps3 game, and it's stuck on that system since there is no backwards compatibility.

I played me some Killzone 3 multiplayer and I had fun with that too, especially because of how gorgeous the graphics were back then. I think the blizzard was graphically more impressive than Uc2's.

and outside of LBP, I think the Resistance trilogy is also underrated. I played every game in the series and had TONS of fun times with splitscreen.
 
there is one particular game on PsP that I have always wanted to play, and that's Digimon Adventure.
That's funny, I always wanted to play that game too lol. I remember getting the strategy guide when I was a kid and just reading through it...but never had the chance to play it.
 
But they also have to price accordingly to stay ahead of the competition. One reason why Ps3 struggled so much for the first few years of the seventh generation was because of its price tag, especially when compared to the 360 and Wii.

Yes, pricing is important but if both Playstation and Xbox aim for performance both could potentially get more expensive. If maintaining the historical price is the bigger focus we'll see lesser performance steps. I see Nintendo doing their own thing to the side rather than being a direct competitor so I don't think they will focus as much on what they do.

I'm not too familiar with what's going on between Apple and Epic, but yeah the Front Page Tech guy made a video about how since Apple gave the EU what they wanted (to make iPhones have USBC) now they're gonna continue demanding things from Apple for everything.

But if they were going to leave the EU market, they would have/should have done that already. The EU needs the iPhones more than iPhones need to sell there.

I don't think the EU is in a need situation. If that was the case Apple could get away with what they want by just threatening to leave. Apple is a company so it needs to continue to grow, and losing a pretty big market is definitely not the way to go about that. While the EU doesn't need them it of course doesn't mean it has any desire to see them gone. It's not about trying to squeeze them for money, it's about maintaining a fair market and stomp out unfair business practices. Something all governments should be putting effort into as they serve the people, not the biggest financial interests.

I dunno about that. I feel like a lot of people with iPhones also have PlayStations so I don't think suddenly becoming an Apple product will sway them. I suppose a higher price point might just make them think that paying more is worth it, I just cannot help like it will be inevitable doom.

Many have both because there is no competition there. Apple has no relevant gaming presence (save for mobile gaming perhaps, which isn't relevant to me). But if they were to buy up Sony and focus on console gaming I think they would focus a lot of marketing on drawing in their existing customer base that isn't yet gaming. I don't think they would want to invest in that way though. Even though it's profitable it seems like they are focusing more on consumer products that they think everyone will use.
 
Yes, pricing is important but if both Playstation and Xbox aim for performance both could potentially get more expensive. If maintaining the historical price is the bigger focus we'll see lesser performance steps. I see Nintendo doing their own thing to the side rather than being a direct competitor so I don't think they will focus as much on what they do.
the Series S is the lower tier Xbox console this generation, but it's still higher performing than the Xbone X. But the Series S launched at $300. How could they make the Series S so affordable if performance keeps making the hardware more expensive?
I don't think the EU is in a need situation. If that was the case Apple could get away with what they want by just threatening to leave. Apple is a company so it needs to continue to grow, and losing a pretty big market is definitely not the way to go about that. While the EU doesn't need them it of course doesn't mean it has any desire to see them gone. It's not about trying to squeeze them for money, it's about maintaining a fair market and stomp out unfair business practices. Something all governments should be putting effort into as they serve the people, not the biggest financial interests.
some would argue it's about bullying them for power, since their products are so highly coveted by their fan base. this is the video that I am referencing. it's a bit of a long watch so I don't blame if you don't wanna waste your time on it, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it

Many have both because there is no competition there. Apple has no relevant gaming presence (save for mobile gaming perhaps, which isn't relevant to me). But if they were to buy up Sony and focus on console gaming I think they would focus a lot of marketing on drawing in their existing customer base that isn't yet gaming. I don't think they would want to invest in that way though. Even though it's profitable it seems like they are focusing more on consumer products that they think everyone will use.
part of me wishes that Apple could just buy Sony one day because that would give PlayStation the buying power that Xbox has. GTA becoming first party, like how CoD is now first party on Xbox, could be a reality that way. surely they must have thought about it, when looking into the video game industry and they see their current own biggest competitor Google fail with the Stadia, and Sony currently leading the competition within the industry...and I feel like the PlayStation brand would fit in well within Apple's ecosystem too.
 
I remember a few years ago there were talks about Apple acquiring Sony would be interesting to see how much a deal like that would cost
 
I remember a few years ago there were talks about Apple acquiring Sony would be interesting to see how much a deal like that would cost
it would probably cost Apple Sony's whole net worth/market cap, if there is a difference between the two. with a quick Google search, that sits around $108 billion.
 
the Series S is the lower tier Xbox console this generation, but it's still higher performing than the Xbone X. But the Series S launched at $300. How could they make the Series S so affordable if performance keeps making the hardware more expensive?

In that case it's because the Series S was downright crap in performance for the time it was released. As I said they can keep the price point but it just won't mean as big technological leaps as the price/performance I'm talking about is measured by the current state of technology at release. We are no longer in a time where consoles can compete with PC in terms of performance even at launch, and if they keep aiming for the same price the gap will likely continue to increase. It sort of speaks for itself when equivalent Nvidia graphics card prices have roughly doubled in 10 years (less than that, really) but consoles are still being sold at pretty similar prices.

the Series S is the lower tier Xbox console this generation, but it's still higher performing than the Xbone X. But the Series S launched at $300. How could they make the Series S so affordable if performance keeps making the hardware more expensive?

some would argue it's about bullying them for power, since their products are so highly coveted by their fan base. this is the video that I am referencing. it's a bit of a long watch so I don't blame if you don't wanna waste your time on it, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it


I think that video is made with quite the uneducated view, and I feel like it's trying to vilify a government in a situation where it's actually working to the benefit of the consumers, i.e. the people. To me it comes across as little more than a poorly hidden Apple fanboy video.

The video pretends like this is the first time it's happened that a big company is forced to open up or change due to anti trust laws, but it's of course far from the truth and companies like Apple and Microsoft wouldn't be where they are today if a company like IBM hadn't been forced to open their platform. Google has been hit with similar things in more recent years as well so it's definitely not just Apple that's being targeted, it's just what's news right now.

The idea that Apple couldn't allow side-loading of apps on iOS is also ridiculous. They clearly don't need it for security because you've been able to do that for a long time on OS X, so that argument is not valid even within the pure Apple context. You also can't say that they have to get that big percentage of app sales to survive because Google, Microsoft, etc, all have always allowed sales on the side without them getting paid and that has always worked. With Google and Android, being the closest comparison, the company isn't even making money off the sales of the hardware like Apple do (well, there are the Pixel phones, but it's pretty minor in the scope of things), yet Google makes it work.

To me this is a clear cut case of the consumers being protected.

part of me wishes that Apple could just buy Sony one day because that would give PlayStation the buying power that Xbox has. GTA becoming first party, like how CoD is now first party on Xbox, could be a reality that way. surely they must have thought about it, when looking into the video game industry and they see their current own biggest competitor Google fail with the Stadia, and Sony currently leading the competition within the industry...and I feel like the PlayStation brand would fit in well within Apple's ecosystem too.

I wouldn't want to see that. Primarily because I want more big actors rather than a few owning everything, but also because I'm not fond of Apple's business practices (not that Sony are great with Playstation either). I certainly don't see console prices staying low under Apple either. They are masters at cranking up prices to generate huge profit margins so selling consoles at a loss, as often happens in the beginning, doesn't seem like their cup of tea.
 
In that case it's because the Series S was downright crap in performance for the time it was released. As I said they can keep the price point but it just won't mean as big technological leaps as the price/performance I'm talking about is measured by the current state of technology at release. We are no longer in a time where consoles can compete with PC in terms of performance even at launch, and if they keep aiming for the same price the gap will likely continue to increase. It sort of speaks for itself when equivalent Nvidia graphics card prices have roughly doubled in 10 years (less than that, really) but consoles are still being sold at pretty similar prices.
dang...so how far apart are the Xbone X, and Series S in terms of power? Is it like, the same as the Gamecube and the Wii? because the latter's lack of power in comparison to its competition is the reason why it lost out on so much third party support. I dunno if it was in this thread where I said it, but remembering that the Series S is even a thing makes me worry about how much Rockstar might have to hold back with the development of GTA6.
I think that video is made with quite the uneducated view, and I feel like it's trying to vilify a government in a situation where it's actually working to the benefit of the consumers, i.e. the people. To me it comes across as little more than a poorly hidden Apple fanboy video.

The video pretends like this is the first time it's happened that a big company is forced to open up or change due to anti trust laws, but it's of course far from the truth and companies like Apple and Microsoft wouldn't be where they are today if a company like IBM hadn't been forced to open their platform. Google has been hit with similar things in more recent years as well so it's definitely not just Apple that's being targeted, it's just what's news right now.

The idea that Apple couldn't allow side-loading of apps on iOS is also ridiculous. They clearly don't need it for security because you've been able to do that for a long time on OS X, so that argument is not valid even within the pure Apple context. You also can't say that they have to get that big percentage of app sales to survive because Google, Microsoft, etc, all have always allowed sales on the side without them getting paid and that has always worked. With Google and Android, being the closest comparison, the company isn't even making money off the sales of the hardware like Apple do (well, there are the Pixel phones, but it's pretty minor in the scope of things), yet Google makes it work.

To me this is a clear cut case of the consumers being protected.
I'm glad that you see it that way. Jon Prosser is well known in the tech industry for reliable leaks, but like in this video, I don't always agree with the opinions he might be putting out there about the tech industry itself. He even put in a quote from Steve Jobs where he says "I don't see why you have to change, just because you get big..." Apple is almost like a superpower, alongside Google, Tencent, Microsoft, and Amazon...all these companies that have trillion dollar net worths, or multi-trillion dollar net worth shouldn't be getting away with their practices just because of the power that they have.

A lot of the times they have been getting away with it, but I don't know if the the EU has been on the people's side and that is why they made these mandates press upon Apple. Or, if it's because they just don't want Apple having that much power. I would like to believe it's what you said, that it's a clear case of consumers being protected.
I wouldn't want to see that. Primarily because I want more big actors rather than a few owning everything, but also because I'm not fond of Apple's business practices (not that Sony are great with Playstation either). I certainly don't see console prices staying low under Apple either. They are masters at cranking up prices to generate huge profit margins so selling consoles at a loss, as often happens in the beginning, doesn't seem like their cup of tea.
oh yeah, that would certainly be a probable possibility in this hypothetical scenario. but I would like to believe that Apple would acknowledge that they're not experienced in the video game industry and would be "laissez faire" with an approach if they acquired Sony, and continued letting them operate the way they have been. They wouldn't want to end up like Google with their Stadia, and right now Google is one of if not Apple's main competitor.
 
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