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Nemesis, BriWill. Nemesis is gay. I assume.

no.

But he has serious issues.

Not quite sure why Diana wants him,....

Of course the first thing that occured to me after reading her declaration to court him was the thought:

If she undresses to get into bed with him,... does she reset to her non-powered identity,... or vice -versa,... if she strips while non-powered does she revert to Amazon?

This is why I have issues with a non-powered secret identity.

V.
 
The big Wonder Woman event this year: Rise of the Olympian

Hmm.

I'm obviously going to get it anyway of course, but nothing...huge...seems to pop out about it to me.
The idea of Wonder Woman's swearing fealty to another god causing all sorts of trouble between her and the Olympians is kind of boring to me. Usually I love stuff with gods, but DC went and ****ed all of their god stuff up between Wonder Woman and Trials of Shazam.
 
I'm always willing to chance that stories that happen next will be the things that fix the downward spirals of the present. It'd be the apex of unfairness to constantly hold future writers accountable for the mistakes of the past. A lot of excellent stories have been built upon the corpses of their lessers; sometimes it feels like this happens moreso than not.

The thing I am mostly tepid towards this event about is that I think it's high time the gods stop being such ineffectual d**ks. Even under Rucka, and even before him, maybe even stretching as far back to seeds laid down by Perez, the gods have been largely ineffectual d**ks who needed to be rescued more often than not ("A Crisis across the universe? Well, time to run away"), just to go back acting like big d**ks who never deserved to be rescued in the first place. One of the reasons that Rucka's depiction of the gods felt as progressive as it did is because he depicted them growing beyond the omni-PMSing psychos in togas that they've been in both Marvel and DC, but it doesn't even necessarily have to take his route. Morrison is going to be doing some major work to make the term "gods" feel like the awe-inspiring, epic title that it should be, instead of psychos in togas; I hope Simone is going to take from his example. I want Wonder Woman to have gods that deserve her worship.
 
The Greek pantheon was incredibly petty and self-involved in classic mythology. Gods were that way in a lot of mythologies. It's the only way the people could explain why bad things happen to good people. Remember Homer's Odyssey? Odysseus was sailing home from the Trojan war, bragged about himself a little too much, and Poseidon decided to take him down a few pegs by delaying his journey home by 20 years and sending his boat to some of the most dangerous islands in Greek myth.
 
But the Amazons themselves were very different in the original myths, a lot less nurturing paragons and a lot more, well, Amazons Attack. There's no real reason to have to adhere obsessively to the old "continuity," so to speak. And even if you do so with one or two mythological characters, there's no rule saying you have to do it with everyone -- look at how Ares and Heracles has been depicted here, after all -- or that you can't have them grow better of their own volition, such as Rucka has been starting to do.

Even more important than just making them prototypically "good" gods, though, is the fact of making them impressive gods, at the very least. I mean, Athena became Lord of all Olympus, and her first real act of rule was to take everyone scampering for the hills. There's just something profoundly unsatisfying about that.
 
I'm always willing to chance that stories that happen next will be the things that fix the downward spirals of the present. It'd be the apex of unfairness to constantly hold future writers accountable for the mistakes of the past. A lot of excellent stories have been built upon the corpses of their lessers; sometimes it feels like this happens moreso than not.

The thing I am mostly tepid towards this event about is that I think it's high time the gods stop being such ineffectual d**ks. Even under Rucka, and even before him, maybe even stretching as far back to seeds laid down by Perez, the gods have been largely ineffectual d**ks who needed to be rescued more often than not ("A Crisis across the universe? Well, time to run away"), just to go back acting like big d**ks who never deserved to be rescued in the first place. One of the reasons that Rucka's depiction of the gods felt as progressive as it did is because he depicted them growing beyond the omni-PMSing psychos in togas that they've been in both Marvel and DC, but it doesn't even necessarily have to take his route. Morrison is going to be doing some major work to make the term "gods" feel like the awe-inspiring, epic title that it should be, instead of psychos in togas; I hope Simone is going to take from his example. I want Wonder Woman to have gods that deserve her worship.
Whoa, there. The Marvel gods have been a hell of a lot better and more effective than the DC gods pretty much throughout their entire collective existence. At the very least, they usually get one of their own to save their asses rather than some clay chick. :oldrazz:
 
Have you been reading Incredible Hercules? That ****'s awesome. That ****'s also a pretty solid play-by-play of everything I just mentioned. :hehe:
 
How so? The gods haven't even asked Herc for anything until this issue that just passed, and that was Athena calling the gods together to protect themselves. That's a god perceiving a threat and rallying her peers to action, which is basically the opposite of what you just described.
 
I mean the parts about them merely being psychos in togas who cause more problems than they solve, as opposed to the sort of impressive impression you'd like to receive from a god.
 
Man, that guy is so freaking Scottish.

And those previews are reeeeeally awesome. Not just the parts with WW, which actually pales in comparison to some of the other shots.
 
I mean the parts about them merely being psychos in togas who cause more problems than they solve, as opposed to the sort of impressive impression you'd like to receive from a god.

See I don't agree at all, I think that Marvel's pantheon are a totally impressive bunch of psychos in togas who cause more problems than they solve.
 
Holy crap. Grant Morrison is super-Scottish.
 
Just remember to pack your pocketwatch, in case you want to open your blazer. An exposed vest without a pocketwatch is just a waste of time.
 
The upcoming WW stuff looks very good. I will probably drop a few titles in the next couple of months, but this one is locked on.
 
I'm on the fence. It could be good, but I'm a little worried Simone might be overplaying her hand by basically reinventing Wonder Woman from the ground up so soon in her run and right after someone else just reinvented Wonder Woman from the ground up.
 
Hopefully. I'm cautiously optimistic. If anyone can restore Wonder Woman to greatness, it's Simone.

Or Rucka, but he's not an option.
 
The way I see it, the title has as solid writing and art as you can find. It may or may not rise to "greatness," but it's going to be good, and most likely one of the better superhero titles out there.
 
Just remember to pack your pocketwatch, in case you want to open your blazer. An exposed vest without a pocketwatch is just a waste of time.

A vest without a pocketwatch is like a pocketwatch without a vest. Either way it's like come the **** on, do your **** the right way.
 
Simone has mentioned a few times that she doesn't believe in "concept whiplash," which is why she's kept all the DMA stuff in spite of supposed free reign to do whatever she wanted. And she has repeatedly ****ed all over Rucka's stuff. Considering that, along with her past work, and what has actually happened so far in her run, I don't think there's gonna be some super-unrecognizable reinventions or anything. She's no Rucka, but she's not...Winick.
 
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