The President Obama Thread: "Election Year" Edition II

[Kelly]

What would you call North Korea?

 

[SV Fan]

What would you call North Korea?

Dictatorship masking itself as a communist country

 

[Kelly]

I see it as a Communist country in the style of what Communism became....not Marxism. All in all, yeah, a Totalitarian government definitely. IMO, it is China that is no longer a Communist country. Once you start allowing some private ownership, ya have to give up your Communist care.... ; )

 

[hippie_hunter]

There is a difference between Socialism and Communism, even then I wouldn't really consider North Korea Communism. When I think of socialist Countries I think Sweden or France(ie countries that vote them in power)

Not really, they're the same thing. The reason why they became two separate terms was because of the socialist schism that occurred during the late 1800's/early 1900's where the "socialists" decided that Marx's vision of revolution wasn't going to happen and the best way to gain power was through democratic methods and allowing limited forms of private enterprise. The Communists were the true socialists who continued what Marx envisioned.

Sweden and France aren't socialist. They're more along the lines of social democracies that allow free enterprise while having mechanisms such as universal health care to take care of the people. True socialism is essentially what Lenin intended for the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea. Nations with true command, state controlled, economies.

 

[SV Fan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

North Korea is a single-party state under a united front led by the Korean Workers' Party (KWP). The country's government follows the Juche ideology of self-reliance, initiated by the country's first President, Kim Il-sung. After his death, Kim Il-sung was declared the country's Eternal President. Juche became the official state ideology, replacing Marxism-Leninism, when the country adopted a new constitution in 1972. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union in December 1991, North Korea lost a major trading partner and strategic ally. Combined with a series of natural disasters, this led to the North Korean famine, which lasted from 1994 to 1998 and killed an estimated 800,000 to 3,500,000 people. North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il adopted Songun, or "military-first" policy in order to strengthen the country and its government. In 2009, references to Communism were systematically removed from the country's constitution and legal documents altogether.

See they aren't communist, they are Juche whatever the hell that is. Given how they choose their leaders you can say it's a borderline monarchy

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm no commie apologist. I doubt anyone here would dispute that.

But North Korea isn't a typical communist state anymore.

It's become a monarchy.

And while the leaders of communist states usually have a cult of personality, the Kims have taken it to a whole new level. It's a thanatocracy.

It's a whole new kind of monstrosity.

 

[Hotwire]

Not really, they're the same thing. The reason why they became two separate terms was because of the socialist schism that occurred during the late 1800's/early 1900's where the "socialists" decided that Marx's vision of revolution wasn't going to happen and the best way to gain power was through democratic methods and allowing limited forms of private enterprise. The Communists were the true socialists who continued what Marx envisioned.

Sweden and France aren't socialist. They're more along the lines of social democracies that allow free enterprise while having mechanisms such as universal health care to take care of the people. True socialism is essentially what Lenin intended for the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea. Nations with true command, state controlled, economies.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

 

[SV Fan]

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

That basically sums up what I believe the difference between socialism and communism are(basically Socialism is like Communism light which does allow room for more capitalist ideas)

And while the leaders of communist states usually have a cult of personality, the Kims have taken it to a whole new level.

Can you blame them though, Kim Jun Il played golf once and got 11 holes in one, he is a god among men.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/12/19/worlds-greatest-golfer-dies-farewell-kim-jong-il/

World’s greatest golfer dies. Farewell Kim Jong Il

North Korean golfing legend (and oppressive dictator) Kim Jong Il passed away over the weekend. He was just 69 years old, but laid claim to golfing skills that would make greats like Jack Nicklaus, Tiger Woods and Walter Hagen weep with envy.

Back in 1994, the man set a record that is likely to stand forever. Playing his first round of golf on a regulation, PGA-style, 18-hole course, Kim Jong Il scored 11 holes-in-one while he carded a stunning 38 UNDER par. Seventeen bodyguards were on hand to witness and attest the score. Regarding the 11 holes-in-one on a single round, that feat will only be repeated on putt-putt golf courses as most regulation-sized courses typically have only four holes short enough to reasonably be considered candidates for scoring an ace.

Sadly, the golfing world outside of North Korea has yet to accept this round of golf as legitimate.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

*sigh*

Virginia man kills family and himself over fear Obama would be re-elected

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/...-himself-over-fear-obama-would-be-re-elected/

Wow, so sad. People are even offing themselves over what *might* happen in November. Maybe Obama IS the Anti-Christ after all.

 

[Schlosser85]

.....huh??

 

[Lighthouse]

*sigh*

Virginia man kills family and himself over fear Obama would be re-elected

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/...-himself-over-fear-obama-would-be-re-elected/

Wow, so sad. People are even offing themselves over what *might* happen in November. Maybe Obama IS the Anti-Christ after all.

You are reading A LOT into that story. It clearly says the guy had serious mental illness.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not really, they're the same thing. The reason why they became two separate terms was because of the socialist schism that occurred during the late 1800's/early 1900's where the "socialists" decided that Marx's vision of revolution wasn't going to happen and the best way to gain power was through democratic methods and allowing limited forms of private enterprise. The Communists were the true socialists who continued what Marx envisioned.

Sweden and France aren't socialist. They're more along the lines of social democracies that allow free enterprise while having mechanisms such as universal health care to take care of the people. True socialism is essentially what Lenin intended for the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea. Nations with true command, state controlled, economies.

I disagree.

Communism and social democracy are products of Marxist ideology and neither would exist without Marxist philosophy but communism perverted what was intended to be a utopia fully under worker control and fell under dictatorships. Social democracy is a worker's paradise but the price was conceding that a nationalized economy had too many flaws and you needed capitalist economy to provide the revenue needed for a worker paradise with college, healthcare and welfare benefits.

People like Eduard Bernstein were giving root to social democracy before it was overshadowed by Lenin's communist ”revolution” in Russia. And I don't think that historical diversion was an accident either. Who knows how wide spread social democracy would be today if the communist dictators of the 20th century never arose to become left wing boogie men?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You are reading A LOT into that story. It clearly says the guy had serious mental illness.

I didn't make up the headline nor write the article Lighthouse.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do think it's a stretch to say socialism wouldn't exist without Marx. Some socialistic practices were the norm before Marx started writing.

There's a reason why Communism usually ends the way it does, no matter where it starts. Humans suck, and a few despots will always try to take over.

Doesn't help that Marx was fundamentally wrong about human nature.

 

[Lighthouse]

I do think it's a stretch to say socialism wouldn't exist without Marx. Some socialistic practices were the norm before Marx started writing.

There's a reason why Communism usually ends the way it does, no matter where it starts. Humans suck, and a few despots will always try to take over.

Doesn't help that Marx was fundamentally wrong about human nature.

The flip side, libertarianism, is just as wrong and it's a bigger worry since many are touting it.

EDIT: I mean this for the US.

 

[enterthemadness]

The flip side, libertarianism, is just as wrong and it's a bigger worry since many are touting it.

EDIT: I mean this for the US.

Oh please, like the D's and the R's know what to do to save America? As if, those fools have gotten us in 16 Trillion debt, loss of our civil liberties, a growing police state, and high taxes.

 

[Lighthouse]

Oh please, like the D's and the R's know what to do to save America? As if, those fools have gotten us in 16 Trillion debt, loss of our civil liberties, a growing police state, and high taxes.

Nice Strawman you have there.

 

[enterthemadness]

OH GOD DAMMIT...

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/obama-to-issue-disastrouscybersecurity-executive-o



WTF OBAMA...

P.S. What is this Strawman...you speak of, LH?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

OH GOD DAMMIT...

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/obama-to-issue-disastrouscybersecurity-executive-o



WTF OBAMA...

P.S. What is this Strawman...you speak of, LH?

Considering O stated several times he would veto the originals I highly doubt he is going to sign an executive order doing any kind of cybersecurity. I call BS

 

[enterthemadness]

Considering O stated several times he would veto the originals I highly doubt he is going to sign an executive order doing any kind of cybersecurity. I call BS

Rumor was those acts didn't go far enough for Obama...

 

[Kelly]

The flip side, libertarianism, is just as wrong and it's a bigger worry since many are touting it.

EDIT: I mean this for the US.

And the fact that Marx never meant for his philosophy to become an economic system....he was a philosopher not an economist....most philosophers I have read are at one or the other of the spectrum on human nature....they believe human nature is good for the most part, or horrible for the most part...few found a happy medium.

 

[Bathead]

You are reading A LOT into that story. It clearly says the guy had serious mental illness.

I didn't even read the article, I knew that just from reading the headline. Kinda obvious, isn't it?

 

[The Squirrel]

Lost Obama Speech from 2007

The racially charged and at times angry speech undermines Obama’s carefully-crafted image as a leader eager to build bridges between ethnic groups. For nearly 40 minutes, using an accent he almost never adopts in public, Obama describes a racist, zero-sum society, in which the white majority profits by exploiting black America. The mostly black audience shouts in agreement. The effect is closer to an Al Sharpton rally than a conventional campaign event.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/#ixzz28CyM4LYt

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Haha the Republicans are so desperate they're reaching before Obama's presidency for dirt.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

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