The Question

[Shazam]

Glad to see the Question get a new start! I like how he's being introduced....The conspiracy board is like the one in JL Unlimited.......He's a bad boy to be able to sneak into that facility and free Superman.

 

[Anubis]

It's a dude again?

I thought he was now some....cosmic entity or some s**t.

Did they suddenly realize that that was f**kin' stupid and.....changed it?

 

[The Question]

Yes?

 

[Anubis]

Maaan, I don't know wtf is going on.

 

[Shazam]

Yep....He's a dude again.....!! YAy!t:

 

[Anubis]

So what happened to Montoya?

 

[Shazam]

So what happened to Montoya?

She got Flashpointed............good.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I loved Montoya... and she was great as The Question...

Eh, I dunno why I bother posting in the comics threads these days. This **** clearly ain't for me anymore...

 

[Anubis]

She still exists in the Nu52. They mentioned her in Batwoman.

I was never sold on her being the Question though....I suppose it's good that Vic's back, but it's kinda tainted cuz....you know....it's in this new crappy universe.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Even if she does still exist, it's only a matter of time until do something asinine with her.
I'm sure she'll make an appearance eventually... as soon as they figure out some way to make a GCPD uniform look ****ish and '90s-tastic.

 

[Shazam]

never liked those PC substitutes......."Let's replace an established white male character with a minority, a lesbian or female...... They did it with Dr. Midnite, Dr Fate, Wildcat, Manhunter and the Question.........none of that crap worked.

Now they are doing it to Atom......we'll see how that works.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I hear what you're saying, but i think attempting to make The Question (a character people like to imagine is more iconic than he actually is) a 'legacy' character was a really good idea...

I really liked Vic Sage, but think about it, before 52 when was the last time anybody did anything relevant with him? Denny O'Neil's run 15 years prior, that's when.

 

[Shazam]

I hear what you're saying, but i think attempting to make The Question (a character people like to imagine is more iconic than he actually is) a 'legacy' character was a really good idea...

I really liked Vic Sage, but think about it, before 52 when was the last time anybody did anything of relevant with him? Denny O'Neil's run 15 years prior, that's when.

It's the writing........I like how he's being introduced already.........I'm optimistic about this new Question......heck...is this even Vic Sage??? hmmmmm

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, I under the impression we didn't actually know who (or what?) The Question is in the New 52? Everything I've read seems to imply he's some kind of mystical or historical figure.

 

[The Question]

never liked those PC substitutes......."Let's replace an established white male character with a minority, a lesbian or female...... They did it with Dr. Midnite, Dr Fate, Wildcat, Manhunter and the Question.........none of that crap worked.

Now they are doing it to Atom......we'll see how that works.

I've never had a problem with any of that. Comics need more diversity, plain and simple, and legacy characters are a good way to go about it.

No, Renee becoming The Question never sat right with me for two reasons.

First, Renee wearing a mask and having a secret identity doesn't really fit the character in my mind. A big part of her character is that she's a very boots on the ground practical kind of person who's very cynical and flippant towards the trappings of the world she lives in. Her having super hero style adventures without falling into any of the super hero conventions of a gimmick and a costume is part of her charm I think.

Second, The Question really doesn't work as a legacy character for me. So much of what The Question is about is wrapped up in who Vic Sage is and how thoroughly messed up he is. Everything about his superhero identity is defined by his own neurosis and past traumas.

And the character doesn't have an iconic status in the DCU like Batman does. He operates in near total anonymity, which again is all wrapped up in his own personal issues with relating to other people and how other people perceive him. He gets the attention and admiration that he craves as a TV news anchor, and then he hides in faceless anonymity with his inner demons as The Question. Without that in-universe iconic and mythic status that Batman has, without owing the people of Hub City the symbol of The Question the way that Bruce Wayne owes Gotham the symbol of The Batman, it makes his superhero identity all the more personal. Doesn't really work as a thing that gets passed on in my mind.

Really, Vic Sage doesn't feel like a guy who gets to pass anything on to anyone. He's defined in a big way by his isolation from other people, and I think dying without much of a legacy left behind besides the people who are alive because of what he did would fit him pretty well.

 

[Shazam]

Yeah, I under the impression we didn't actually know who (or what?) The Question is in the New 52? Everything I've read seems to imply he's some kind of mystical or historical figure.

Hmmmmmmm....that IS the Question, isn't it? LOL

 

[The Question]

Spoiler

I've never had a problem with any of that. Comics need more diversity, plain and simple, and legacy characters are a good way to go about it.

No, Renee becoming The Question never sat right with me for two reasons.

First, Renee wearing a mask and having a secret identity doesn't really fit the character in my mind. A big part of her character is that she's a very boots on the ground practical kind of person who's very cynical and flippant towards the trappings of the world she lives in. Her having super hero style adventures without falling into any of the super hero conventions of a gimmick and a costume is part of her charm I think.

Second, The Question really doesn't work as a legacy character for me. So much of what The Question is about is wrapped up in who Vic Sage is and how thoroughly messed up he is. Everything about his superhero identity is defined by his own neurosis and past traumas.

And the character doesn't have an iconic status in the DCU like Batman does. He operates in near total anonymity, which again is all wrapped up in his own personal issues with relating to other people and how other people perceive him. He gets the attention and admiration that he craves as a TV news anchor, and then he hides in faceless anonymity with his inner demons as The Question. Without that in-universe iconic and mythic status that Batman has, without owing the people of Hub City the symbol of The Question the way that Bruce Wayne owes Gotham the symbol of The Batman, it makes his superhero identity all the more personal. Doesn't really work as a thing that gets passed on in my mind.

Really, Vic Sage doesn't feel like a guy who gets to pass anything on to anyone. He's defined in a big way by his isolation from other people, and I think dying without much of a legacy left behind besides the people who are alive because of what he did would fit him pretty well.

Also, I forgot the third reason I didn't like Renee becoming The Question:

They had such good chemistry in 52, I'd rather they kept Vic around and had they be a buddy cop duo.

 

[Shazam]

I've never had a problem with any of that. Comics need more diversity, plain and simple, and legacy characters are a good way to go about it.

No, Renee becoming The Question never sat right with me for two reasons.

First, Renee wearing a mask and having a secret identity doesn't really fit the character in my mind. A big part of her character is that she's a very boots on the ground practical kind of person who's very cynical and flippant towards the trappings of the world she lives in. Her having super hero style adventures without falling into any of the super hero conventions of a gimmick and a costume is part of her charm I think.

Second, The Question really doesn't work as a legacy character for me. So much of what The Question is about is wrapped up in who Vic Sage is and how thoroughly messed up he is. Everything about his superhero identity is defined by his own neurosis and past traumas.

And the character doesn't have an iconic status in the DCU like Batman does. He operates in near total anonymity, which again is all wrapped up in his own personal issues with relating to other people and how other people perceive him. He gets the attention and admiration that he craves as a TV news anchor, and then he hides in faceless anonymity with his inner demons as The Question. Without that in-universe iconic and mythic status that Batman has, without owing the people of Hub City the symbol of The Question the way that Bruce Wayne owes Gotham the symbol of The Batman, it makes his superhero identity all the more personal. Doesn't really work as a thing that gets passed on in my mind.

Really, Vic Sage doesn't feel like a guy who gets to pass anything on to anyone. He's defined in a big way by his isolation from other people, and I think dying without much of a legacy left behind besides the people who are alive because of what he did would fit him pretty well.

Then make up NEW characters that are minorities, gay or women. Make it diverse all you want. Just don't do it at the expense of long established white male characters.

I just think that shows the lack of creativity in today's lazy story telling. "Hey guys,,,let's make The Question a lesbian" or "Hey guys...we need to spice up Alan Scott...let's make him gay!" "Hey...The Atom needs to be Asian.....No....let's make him a Hispanic woman".

And none of that crap worked.

Come on!! SMH. The pandering is just soooo obvious. It insults the intelligence.

The market place will vote with it's dollars on whether these PC changes are good. So far, they have not panned out.

Again.....make up new characters! Luke Cage has stood the test of time....so has The Black Panther and The Falcon. They were new. They are still here.

I agree with everything else you said, though.

 

[The Question]

Then make up NEW characters that are minorities, gay or women. Make it diverse all you want. Just don't do it at the expense of long established white male characters.

Yeah but the thing is legacy characters stand a much better chance of being financially successful than brand new characters. I mean, really can you name the last brand new, not based on anyone else hero character to come out of superhero comics who got seriously popular? I'm pretty sure it was Deadpool. And that was in 1994. A brand new Marvel or DC character getting popular without some kind of attached, pre established brand recognition doesn't really happen anymore.

Actually, I was wrong, there has been one since Deadpool. Only one. It was The Runaways. But that was like lightning in a bottle, repeating that book's success would be next to impossible.

Also, how is a minority legacy character "at the expense" of white male characters?

I just think that shows the lack of creativity in today's lazy story telling. "Hey guys,,,let's make The Question a lesbian" or "Hey guys...we need to spice up Alan Scott...let's make him gay!" "Hey...The Atom needs to be Asian.....No....let's make him a Hispanic woman".

If I recall, Ryan Choi and his book were actually pretty popular. Not quite popular enough to keep the book going, but it was all in all very well received.

Come on!! SMH. The pandering is just soooo obvious. It insults the intelligence.

How does it insult intelligence?

The market place will vote with it's dollars on whether these PC changes are good. So far, they have not panned out.

I think the Transformers Movies and 2001: A Space Odyssey both prove that how much money a piece of art makes doesn't really indicate wether or not it "worked" in an artistic sense.

Again.....make up new characters! Luke Cage has stood the test of time....so has The Black Panther and The Falcon. They were new. They are still here.

One character created in the 70s and two in the 60s. The market's different now than it was then. It's pretty over-satuated with IPs. Getting a new one to catch people's attention without brand recognition is next to impossible nowadays.

 

[Anubis]

And DP was a parody of Deathstroke....also he's got Cancer so, there's your minority hook.

 

[Shazam]

Yeah but the thing is legacy characters stand a much better chance of being financially successful than brand new characters. I mean, really can you name the last brand new, not based on anyone else hero character to come out of superhero comics who got seriously popular? I'm pretty sure it was Deadpool. And that was in 1994. A brand new Marvel or DC character getting popular without some kind of attached, pre established brand recognition doesn't really happen anymore.

By the same token, name me a successful PC substitute.....there are none. Even Blue Beetle has barely kept a pulse. And goodness knows they've really been pushing him. He's in the cartoons etc....

Actually, I was wrong, there has been one since Deadpool. Only one. It was The Runaways. But that was like lightning in a bottle, repeating that book's success would be next to impossible.

Also, how is a minority legacy character "at the expense" of white male characters?

[/QUOTE]

Because they purposely pick a minority or someone gay....."every time". I looks deliberate.

If I recall, Ryan Choi and his book were actually pretty popular. Not quite popular enough to keep the book going, but it was all in all very well received.

Close is only good in horse shoes and hand grenades. $$$$$

How does it insult intelligence?

Because it's so blatantly obvious. Especially with what they did to Alan Scott.

I think the Transformers Movies and 2001: A Space Odyssey both prove that how much money a piece of art makes doesn't really indicate wether or not it "worked" in an artistic sense.

Let's not make category mistakes here. We're talking comics...no movies that can compensate for weak stories by using "eye-popping visuals that will indeed help a weakly written story still make money. Comics are just printed ink on a page. The writing has to be strong and the art too. Because we cant hear the explosions.

One character created in the 70s and two in the 60s. The market's different now than it was then. It's pretty over-satuated with IPs. Getting a new one to catch people's attention without brand recognition is next to impossible nowadays.

[/QUOTE]
I just named two.....but there are others still around. It's like that crappy autotune music today. Lazy....no-talent hacks dumping crap on us. Weak voices.......In comics, we have weak writing.

 

[KevanG]

Also, I forgot the third reason I didn't like Renee becoming The Question:

They had such good chemistry in 52, I'd rather they kept Vic around and had they be a buddy cop duo.

I loved 52. Especially the Question Montoya stuff. I never really liked Montoya as the Question as she was running around during Countdown and FC and that was pretty much all the times Ive seen her as the Question.

 

[HighFivingMF]

By the same token, name me a successful PC substitute.....

 

[Shazam]

He's not a PC substitute.....They didn't get rid of Hal Jordan and they also have Raynor and Gardener back-ups.

Try again..........

 

[HighFivingMF]

Well, technically Stewart was a replacement as backup for Gardner after he was knocked out of duty and later put into a coma by Zod. So he's a black character standing in for a white character.

And, forgot this last night, but Kyle's half-Hispanic. So if Stewart isn't specific enough for you, there ya go.