Comics The Return of Slott

[Dark Spidey]

I like Slott. But he's not telling me the one thing I want to know...

What happened to the guy who killed the Spider-mugger at the end of his first arc? Did he go loooking for Pete's ID? Did he just kill the dude and skip town? Or was it just a pretext to the Spider-tracer killer plot??

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Come on USMC....

It's magic....It doesn't have to make sense.

DEVIL magic!

 

[Themanofbat]

This discussion between you guys brings a question to mind that I haven't seen anyone else ask...

If Pete and MJ lived together for years and have this rich history... than how can MJ not know Peteer is Spider-Man?

Didn't the very first intro in BND explain specifically that NO ONE knows Spider-Man's identity? NO ONE...

There is no explanation alive that can explain how MJ would share her un-married life with Peter Parker without knowing he was Spider-Man...

And if you guys argue that she DID know, but now she (along with everyone else) simply forgot... than her entire memories of her life with Peter would be completely altered!!! So did Mephisto give her NEW memories of her years with Peter? Or are there gaps there now? UGH, either way, it's all just so stupid!

Only my opinion... but I think I've made a pretty reasonable case here.

I would think that she DID know during that time, but like everybody else, she's forgotten...

... or has she?

 

[farmernudie]

The history that Peter and MJ shared is still somewhat intact... albeit tweaked, but a minor tweak doesn't take away the "rich history"...

It is insulting for Slott to say everything is the same despite there is an alternate history now. ALTERNATE. No matter how you spin it, when you change something, especially something this BIG, in history, it changes TONS of stuff.

There is no RICH HISTORY because we've not grown up reading an alternate history spider-man who never married.

All the back issues as i re-read them haven't magically changed due to real life satan power.

So, Slott, whom i like, or anyone, who tries to spoon feed us and tell us it is all the is being DIPPY to put it nicely.

THERE IS NO HISTORY OF THESE TWO THAT ANY OF US HAVE READ, BECAUSE IT IS ALTERNATE HISTORY, THUS ONE WE"VE NOT EXPERIENCED. So, it is not a rich history or any history. Because the timeline has been altered is significant ways. If you or anyone tho, wants to pretend that it's all the same, fine. But go re-read your back issues and pretend in many stories they aren't married when there are many scenarios that don't work.

So, i do find it insulting, to the fan, to tell us it is all the same, when it is obviously not how it happened. If they want to say it is all new from here on out, fine, but don't try to wink wink at me with IT"S MAGIC AND IT"S ALL THE SAME CRAP. Slott should be too good, (And is!) for that kind of mentality. Fans deserve better here.

 

[farmernudie]

Sorry, off my soapbox now.

It just riles me up they rebooted my favorite character for no good reason.

And then having someone I like (slott) or anyone keep telling us it is all the same just irks me to no end. Belittling.

 

[Styleshift]

You have much reason to go off. This is superboy prime punch level creativeness
This is Alternate Spider-man. Not 616 Spider-man.

Every supporter of BND ignores this one simple little fact...
How can the marriage issue bear any value if it didn't happen?
If you pick it up and read it. your now reading a false story.

Every issue over 20 years you now can't appreciate because "its not happening the way you read it".
thats like reading a novel series like Jason Bourne.

and being told oh...he's wasn't really an assassin all this time.

 

[Themanofbat]

...sigh...

Believe what you guys want...

 

[farmernudie]

I feel bad too, that like Clone Saga, this is very devisive....people either love it or hate it.

It feels to some like the spidey they know, and to others like a total stranger they don't admire anymore.

 

[USMC]

I would think that she DID know during that time, but like everybody else, she's forgotten...

... or has she?

But BND began by telling the readers that NO ONE know his identity...

so are they gonna backpeddle now? If they do, than that tells me they never thought this out at all.

 

[Themanofbat]

But BND began by telling the readers that NO ONE know his identity...

so are they gonna backpeddle now? If they do, than that tells me they never thought this out at all.

I'm only saying "or has she?" because many people seem to think that she still remembers...

Personally, I don't think she does (anymore), but she did know all the way up to OMD.

 

[USMC]

I'm only saying "or has she?" because many people seem to think that she still remembers...

Personally, I don't think she does (anymore), but she did know all the way up to OMD.

I would say that would be a logical assumption.

 

[ragingdemon155]

DEVIL magic!

COVERT devil magic!!!!

That can go under the radar from the guy upstairs....

 

[stillanerd]

I'm only saying "or has she?" because many people seem to think that she still remembers...

Personally, I don't think she does (anymore), but she did know all the way up to OMD.

Yet, if all the stories with Peter and MJ still happened with the difference being they were living together instead of married, it still would have required her to know Peter was Spider-Man. If she no longer remembers that Peter is Spider-Man, then she and Peter would have completely different memories about what happened during their time together, meaning they've experienced an "alternate history" and, logically, would be very different people. And this is not going fly if Marvel keeps this up. (Then again, I hope that will start seeing cracks in the facade as a result of "Mephisto's Magical marriage annulment" with "New Ways to Die" especially since Venom's characterization depends upon his knowing that Peter and Spider-Man are one and the same).

 

[Themanofbat]

Yet, if all the stories with Peter and MJ still happened with the difference being they were living together instead of married, it still would have required her to know Peter was Spider-Man. If she no longer remembers that Peter is Spider-Man, then she and Peter would have completely different memories about what happened during their time together, meaning they've experienced an "alternate history" and, logically, would be very different people. And this is not going fly if Marvel keeps this up. (Then again, I hope that will start seeing cracks in the facade as a result of "Mephisto's Magical marriage annulment" with "New Ways to Die" especially since Venom's characterization depends upon his knowing that Peter and Spider-Man are one and the same).

I'll bet that the Spider-Writers have come up with a basic way to address everybody's "hazy" memories of what happened in the past (because they obviously knew Pete's secret "at the time"), so rather than mere bad speculating on everybody's part (because it's so much easier to **** on something rather than think positive about it ), I'm just going to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[Donald Thomas]

I'll bet that the Spider-Writers have come up with a basic way to address everybody's "hazy" memories of what happened in the past (because they obviously knew Pete's secret "at the time"), so rather than mere bad speculating on everybody's part (because it's so much easier to **** on something rather than think positive about it ), I'm just going to wait and see how it plays out.

Aloha,
So many are looking for answers to everything immediately. Marvel never did that even before BND. If I'm not mistaken there are going to be some issues coming out this summer that tie up several of the loose end questions regarding the rebooted history.
Spidey rules

 

[farmernudie]

The thing is, they didn't really need to reboot....or someday take the time to explain loose ends (if they do) created by a poorly crafted reboot to begin with.

We could have just been moving forward, with progression, and the same history and continuity as before...that we all actually read.

 

[Styleshift]

Aloha,
So many are looking for answers to everything immediately. Marvel never did that even before BND. If I'm not mistaken there are going to be some issues coming out this summer that tie up several of the loose end questions regarding the rebooted history.
Spidey rules

This is no longer the Peter Parker we've been reading about all this time...
all of the issues OMD created can't be addressed. sure their going to give some explanations here and there...

but what about things that cannot ever make logical sense in a story?
such as how did aunt may get shot for knowing who peter is if she's alive and well now?
what about Peter being registered? his documents and files just don't exist...even venom doesn't remember. erasing there marriage means Mj could have left at anytime. she wasn't held down because she wasn't his wife. she wouldn't be as significant.
what other superhero has a live in girlfriend with no powers that actually matters to the other heroes?

what they've done is they've ALTERED history. and what they couldn't alter they simply said ok no one remembers this and that. it just doesn't fit.
its just a lame excuse. im not complaining because they haven't addressed it yet...im just tired of marvel making excuses for bad story telling...

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Getting back to Slott a sec... Is he off The Initiative for good?
I hope not.

Oh and if he reads this (I know in the past he's been on these boards):
Slott, man, write more books. Y'know... speed up or something. I want ASM AND INITIATIVE -- oooo, maybe a storyline crossover. [Pete gets hit by car, people find out he has powers and he registers as a new hero (I loved slingers), still protecting his identity but people knowing he's different. Man that would rule... Call me, I'm free at weekends. ]

 

[Donald Thomas]

This is no longer the Peter Parker we've been reading about all this time...
all of the issues OMD created can't be addressed. sure their going to give some explanations here and there...

but what about things that cannot ever make logical sense in a story?
such as how did aunt may get shot for knowing who peter is if she's alive and well now?
what about Peter being registered? his documents and files just don't exist...even venom doesn't remember. erasing there marriage means Mj could have left at anytime. she wasn't held down because she wasn't his wife. she wouldn't be as significant.
what other superhero has a live in girlfriend with no powers that actually matters to the other heroes?

what they've done is they've ALTERED history. and what they couldn't alter they simply said ok no one remembers this and that. it just doesn't fit.
its just a lame excuse. im not complaining because they haven't addressed it yet...im just tired of marvel making excuses for bad story telling...

Aloha,
And this pertains to Slott how?Many fans were happy to hear that DS was going to be on ASM. Now that he is, either you stay tuned for the evolving Reboot (BND) or you go another way.I'm still waiting for the Scarlet Witch to set things back in order.
Spidey rules

 

[kguillou]

I have faith in Slott, he's been doing a good job so far and he promises that things will make sense soon, and even insists that the Initiative #7 story is still very important to spidey's status quo so, im very curious to see how that plays into everything. I dont even mind having Harry back, the only thing that ticks me off is how absolutely NOBODY knows Pete's identity. That really ruins some characters like Norman Osborn and Eddie Brock, two characters who were driven to villainy because of their knowledge of Peter's secret identity. But again, i guess we'll see how things develop.

 

[Styleshift]

Aloha,
And this pertains to Slott how?Many fans were happy to hear that DS was going to be on ASM. Now that he is, either you stay tuned for the evolving Reboot (BND) or you go another way.I'm still waiting for the Scarlet Witch to set things back in order.
Spidey rules

It pertains to slott VERY much so, because he's on the new creative staff after OMD. He's awesome.
He's a continuity freak...and they've just handed him a hot potato full of problems on a rotating slott. (pun not intended)

It's already shown that working in a creative team causes problems. such as the snow melting and than magically reappearing in the next issue....
Since most fans that come here are familiar with his work...
I felt I didn't have to add that bit to an already long post....
Besides....
That last paragraph was magic...I didn't have to explain it....lol.

 

[Themanofbat]

I have faith in Slott, he's been doing a good job so far and he promises that things will make sense soon, and even insists that the Initiative #7 story is still very important to spidey's status quo so, im very curious to see how that plays into everything. I dont even mind having Harry back, the only thing that ticks me off is how absolutely NOBODY knows Pete's identity. That really ruins some characters like Norman Osborn and Eddie Brock, two characters who were driven to villainy because of their knowledge of Peter's secret identity. But again, i guess we'll see how things develop.

Norman Osborn was a pretty bad huy on his own, and became the Green Goblin in order to control NY's underworld prior to his knowledge of Spider-Man's identity... in fact, he chose to kill Spider-Man in order to get street cred with the mobs.

 

[Styleshift]

Norman Osborn was a pretty bad huy on his own, and became the Green Goblin in order to control NY's underworld prior to his knowledge of Spider-Man's identity... in fact, he chose to kill Spider-Man in order to get street cred with the mobs.

True....
It still sucks to see Norman being regressed that far back though. since he was most popular after he knew peter was spidey.

Venom will be in interesting character to see how he interacts with Spidey without knowing his identity....

 

[kguillou]

I think Venom's character is really gonna suffer since he no longer knows peter's I.D. Think about it, Venom was such a threat to Peter because he knew who he was, he knew where he lived, he knew everyone close to him. The same with Norman Osborn. I mean, there's a reason why Green Goblin and Venom are the two most dangerous Spiderman foes. They're both very real threats to not only Spiderman but also Peter Parker's life. Now that they dont have that edge anymore, what differentiates them from villains like the Scorpion or Shocker?

 

[Themanofbat]

I think Venom's character is really gonna suffer since he no longer knows peter's I.D. Think about it, Venom was such a threat to Peter because he knew who he was, he knew where he lived, he knew everyone close to him. The same with Norman Osborn. I mean, there's a reason why Green Goblin and Venom are the two most dangerous Spiderman foes. They're both very real threats to not only Spiderman but also Peter Parker's life. Now that they dont have that edge anymore, what differentiates them from villains like the Scorpion or Shocker?

Yeah, but once Norman knew his identity, he would get amnesia (Stan pulled that trick 3 times in a 5 year span ), and Norman was way more effective when Peter would have to watch what he said, in order not to make him remember... it'll be interesting to see what Peter's take is on the fact that Norman no longer knows... and as to "how" he doesn't remember anymore...