Horror The Scream Franchise Thread

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, me too. The Carpenter sisters brought a lot of freshness to the series and now it looks like they reached a dead end. I'm still hopeful though, 6 movies in and they haven't let me down yet.

The funny thing about bringing in new "young people" is they have to be established while taking a backseat to the old folk who look more worn out then Hugh Jackman suiting up to be Logan again.

This is before we get into the fact that they had one of the most popular actresses in the world for young folks and lost her for *checks notes* her and her co-star being right.

 

[Ninjablade]

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This looks like a movie you make when you've run out of ideas.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm curious if the people boycotting 7 because of Melissa Barrera also boycotted 6 because of how the studio treated Neve Campbell? Not that it really matters, just curious. Scream 7 will probably make 4-5x its budget regardless and we'll get an 8th movie greenlit within 2 weeks of 7 releasing.

Yep. Let's compare an actress who has literally no star value feeling they're underpaid to a woman standing up against a genocide. Very similar situations.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This looks like a movie you make when you've run out of ideas.

There's a reason they changed the creative team and got their first well received movies in literally decades.

 

[Drizzle]

The funny thing about bringing in new "young people" is they have to be established while taking a backseat to the old folk who look more worn out then Hugh Jackman suiting up to be Logan again.

This is before we get into the fact that they had one of the most popular actresses in the world for young folks and lost her for *checks notes* her and her co-star being right.

Courteney Cox's plastic surgeon reading that:

 

[Spider-Fan]

I get the idea that Ghostface coming for Sidney's kid has drama cause we the audience know Sidney and she has been the franchise anchor. Conceptually, I get it. But in execution, I am just seeing the same movie. Some of that I feel is very Scream 4, but they took it a more interesting direction in Scream 4. One reason I like that one so much. Here, it just feels tired. I mean....it's Scream 7. Keeping a series fresh this many movies in is hard without injecting new blood into it, and since they ousted the new characters, we are just left with what was already there. It feels like to me we are getting MJ, Pippin, and Rodman on the Bulls again for another Last Dance in 2011. I hope there is more to this movie and that they find clever ways to make it stand out. But as of now...meh

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Courteney Cox's plastic surgeon reading that:

It means a lot to me that I get to be V in this scenario.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get the idea that Ghostface coming for Sidney's kid has drama cause we the audience know Sidney and she has been the franchise anchor. Conceptually, I get it. But in execution, I am just seeing the same movie. Some of that I feel is very Scream 4, but they took it a more interesting direction in Scream 4. One reason I like that one so much. Here, it just feels tired. I mean....it's Scream 7. Keeping a series fresh this many movies in is hard without injecting new blood into it, and since they ousted the new characters, we are just left with what was already there. It feels like to me we are getting MJ, Pippin, and Rodman on the Bulls again for another Last Dance in 2011. I hope there is more to this movie and that they find clever ways to make it stand out. But as of now...meh

The thing is what you described, is what Scream 5 and 6 already is. Are they specifically Sid's kids? No. But for all intent and purpose that is how the movies plays out. They are basically Rey in the ST. Being parented by the former cast.

So they already did that premise.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The thing is what you described, is what Scream 5 and 6 already is. Are they specifically Sid's kids? No. But for all intent and purpose that is how the movies plays out. They are basically Rey in the ST. Being parented by the former cast.

So they already made this movie.

Oh, I am aware that is what 5 and 6 were. Hence why I was more interested before they fired their most interesting characters they currently had for bad political reasons. This movie just feels like it has nothing outside of franchise milking here

 

[The Joker]

The opening shot at Stu's house made me roll my eyes. I am so bored of them going back to this. One of the things I liked about Scream 6 is it made nods to the other Scream movies. For the first time in the franchise they mentioned the other Ghostface killers besides Billy and Stu. It was so refreshing.

"This was your grandmother's, Sam. Nancy Loomis. Really runs in your f***ing family doesn't it". "Roman Bridger, the only solo Ghostface. Kudos to him for ambition". Loved all that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The opening shot at Stu's house made me roll my eyes. I am so bored of them going back to this. One of the things I liked about Scream 6 is it made nods to the other Scream movies. For the first time in the franchise they mentioned the other Ghostface killers besides Billy and Stu. It was so refreshing.

"This was your grandmother's, Sam. Nancy Loomis. Really runs in your f***ing family doesn't it". "Roman Bridger, the only solo Ghostface. Kudos to him for ambition". Loved all that.

They are remaking V. It's so embarrassing.

 

[DyeLorean]

Knowing that the same guys from the last two movies and the original writer are involved, gives me a bit of confidence that they know what they're doing.
We know Stu and Roman are coming back in some capacity, so there's still many things we don't know how they play out.

 

[BatLobster]

I think they've intentionally subverted the "Sidney's successor" thing twice. First with Jill, and then with Sam by making her Billy's daughter. That gave her a whole different set of issues to work with, which is why it was fresh. The connection to Sid felt kinda tacked on and obligatory there, which obviously wasn't helped by Sidney being MIA for 6. It would've been interesting to see that relationship develop...alas that's not the way things went.

But having Sidney's actual daughter involved this time, while not original, does make some sort of sense if you're trying to give the 7th movie some stakes. I'm not opposed to an obvious and simple direction if it's executed well. We'll see. It's the same reason we would've all been on board if Rey had simply been Luke or Leia's daughter. We haven't gotten to see Sidney as a mother, not really. I don't know, I just think Neve is awesome in the role. I do not tire of seeing her, even though I do hope this is her true finale.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think they've intentionally subverted the "Sidney's successor" thing twice. First with Jill, and then with Sam by making her Billy's daughter. That gave her a whole different set of issues to work with, which is why it was fresh. The connection to Sid felt kinda tacked on and obligatory there, which obviously wasn't helped by Sidney being MIA for 6. It would've been interesting to see that relationship develop...alas that's not the way things went.

But having Sidney's actual daughter involved this time, while not original, does make some sort of sense if you're trying to give the 7th movie some stakes. I'm not opposed to an obvious and simple direction if it's executed well. We'll see. It's the same reason we would've all been on board if Rey had simply been Luke or Leia's daughter. We haven't gotten to see Sidney as a mother, not really. I don't know, I just think Neve is awesome in the role. I do not tire of seeing her, even though I do hope this is her true finale.

Uh, no. This would be like if they made Episode X and suddenly we had Luke's kid playing the Rey role again.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I'm curious if the people boycotting 7 because of Melissa Barrera also boycotted 6 because of how the studio treated Neve Campbell? Not that it really matters, just curious. Scream 7 will probably make 4-5x its budget regardless and we'll get an 8th movie greenlit within 2 weeks of 7 releasing.

Neve declined to come back because the paycheck wasn't high enough

Barrera got fired for daring to say a literal genocide is bad.

 

[BatLobster]

Uh, no. This would be like if they made Episode X and suddenly we had Luke's kid playing the Rey role again.

Sort of. They established Sid was a mom in 5 and that was her whole motivation for even being involved. So it's an obvious shift but plenty of fans were speculating Sid would return as the focus of 7 even while 6 was still in production. I don't really see the Sam as Rey analogy totally fitting. She had like two quick scenes with Sid. She had her own arc that was more about reckoning with being the daughter of a serial killer and her relationship with her sister. I thought that was a cool and interesting direction, but I saw it as its own adjacent sort of direction but not necessarily the direct continuation of Sidney's trauma and history. Sidney's core drama was never about whether or not she'd snap and become Ghostface. I think that was a strength of the Sam character, that it was telling a different story. But I personally also still had investment in Sid as well as she is my favorite final girl and wasn't totally satisfied with her relatively small role in 5.

Anyhow, this movie could be a complete dumpster fire for all I know and the "burn it all down" marketing is the franchise reaching its final layer of meta. There is ample reason to be skeptical and the real life situation really sucks, so I get it.

 

[Snow Queen]

Looks like another case of these increasingly fandom-poisoned franchises reheating the same plate of nachos over and over again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sort of. They established Sid was a mom in 5 and that was her whole motivation for even being involved. So it's an obvious shift but plenty of fans were speculating Sid would return as the focus of 7 even while 6 was still in production. I don't really see the Sam as Rey analogy totally fitting. She had like two quick scenes with Sid. She had her own arc that was more about reckoning with being the daughter of a serial killer and her relationship with her sister. I thought that was a cool and interesting direction, but I saw it as its own adjacent sort of direction but not necessarily the direct continuation of Sidney's trauma and history. Sidney's core drama was never about whether or not she'd snap and become Ghostface. I think that was a strength of the Sam character, that it was telling a different story. But I personally also still had investment in Sid as well as she is my favorite final girl and wasn't totally satisfied with her relatively small role in 5.

Anyhow, this movie could be a complete dumpster fire for all I know and the "burn it all down" marketing is the franchise reaching its final layer of meta. There is ample reason to be skeptical and the real life situation really sucks, so I get it.

Bad speculation means nothing. 7 was gonna be about the sisters. It's why the studio had to lie about how things went with Ortega. As everyone left together, because of the studio siding with genocide.

Sam fits so well, she's literally the child of the villain. But what's more important is that Rey isn't "raised" by simply Luke. She's raised by the former heroes, including Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie. Dewey literally plays Han in V. Gale won't leave anyone alone and Kirby shows up to literally say, "you're a part of the family".

 

[Ninjablade]

I get the idea that Ghostface coming for Sidney's kid has drama cause we the audience know Sidney and she has been the franchise anchor. Conceptually, I get it. But in execution, I am just seeing the same movie. Some of that I feel is very Scream 4, but they took it a more interesting direction in Scream 4. One reason I like that one so much. Here, it just feels tired. I mean....it's Scream 7. Keeping a series fresh this many movies in is hard without injecting new blood into it, and since they ousted the new characters, we are just left with what was already there. It feels like to me we are getting MJ, Pippin, and Rodman on the Bulls again for another Last Dance in 2011. I hope there is more to this movie and that they find clever ways to make it stand out. But as of now...meh

Yeah. Doesn't help that Scream conceptually as a franchise is kind of mega reliant on other horror franchises or else the whole thing doesn't work. 5 and 6 are very much playing off the whole trend of requels and what not. As soon as you get rid of the two leads, you kinda can't do the whole requel finale commentary, and there's nothing else slasher films are doing these days that they haven't already done.

Not unless you want to figure out how to make a movie about how everyone is basically doing the whole Scream irony thing these days, but that'd be such a waste of time.

 

[Zantera]

I think my main issue with 6 and 7 is that there's really not much to say? Like if you look at each of the films on their own, there was always an angle to them. 1 makes fun of the horror genre. 2 makes fun of the sequel idea. 3 makes fun of the trilogy and what comes with that. By the time 4 comes out you have the "legacy sequel/reboot" trend and also there's been over a decade of horror movies since the third one so you have new things like torture porn to reference. With 5 you again have an almost 10 year jump from 4 so there's new things within horror to play with and bake into the concept.

6 having Ghostface using shotguns or 7 going down the alleged AI route (with the returning actors) feels really weak compared to the 'gimmicks' of the 5 movies before

 

[BatLobster]

Bad speculation means nothing. 7 was gonna be about the sisters. It's why the studio had to lie about how things went with Ortega. As everyone left together, because of the studio siding with genocide.

Sam fits so well, she's literally the child of the villain. But what's more important is that Rey isn't "raised" by simply Luke. She's raised by the former heroes, including Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie. Dewey literally plays Han in V. Gale won't leave anyone alone and Kirby shows up to literally say, "you're a part of the family".

They were obviously doing all sorts of riffs on the idea of legacy characters and doing a ton of commentary on the ST and its pop culture response in the process. I actually think Scream 5 handled certain aspects better than TFA in some ways by dealing away with any pretense of lineage mystery and just telling us who Sam is right off the bat. That was a strong move as it made the stakes for her clear in 5 and 6.

But this is also why it seemed clear to me that they were also inevitably going to tackle the trope of "Somehow, Stu Returned."

 

[Kane52630]

I think my main issue with 6 and 7 is that there's really not much to say?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They were obviously doing all sorts of riffs on the idea of legacy characters and doing a ton of commentary on the ST and its pop culture response in the process. I actually think Scream 5 handled certain aspects better than TFA in some ways by dealing away with any pretense of lineage mystery and just telling us who Sam is right off the bat. That was a strong move.

But this is also why it seemed clear to me that they were also inevitably going to tackle the trope of "Somehow, Stu Returned."

How does any of this subtract from my original point?

 

[Zantera]

The funny thing about bringing in new "young people" is they have to be established while taking a backseat to the old folk who look more worn out then Hugh Jackman suiting up to be Logan again.

This is before we get into the fact that they had one of the most popular actresses in the world for young folks and lost her for *checks notes* her and her co-star being right.

Is The Force Awakens responsible for this annoying trope? Because I do agree with your point. Gale showing up in 6 definitely felt like a forced aspect but I guess Courteney Cox has enough pull that the only way she is leaving the franchise is in a body bag.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think my main issue with 6 and 7 is that there's really not much to say? Like if you look at each of the films on their own, there was always an angle to them. 1 makes fun of the horror genre. 2 makes fun of the sequel idea. 3 makes fun of the trilogy and what comes with that. By the time 4 comes out you have the "legacy sequel/reboot" trend and also there's been over a decade of horror movies since the third one so you have new things like torture porn to reference. With 5 you again have an almost 10 year jump from 4 so there's new things within horror to play with and bake into the concept.

6 having Ghostface using shotguns or 7 going down the alleged AI route (with the returning actors) feels really weak compared to the 'gimmicks' of the 5 movies before

Six is about the city. Where the idea is that anyone could be the killer and it actually makes sense, because a proper city is far more claustrophobic then the burbs.