Sequels The script is the most important thing...

[Robin91939]

I don't think he should write the script. Harris and Dougherty are good writers. But, they are science fiction writers...not comic book writers. There is a difference. The are good with dialogue and even wrote some interesting action in Superman Returns. They wrote X2: X-men United very well with a nice pace, great use of the many characters and it was a strong adaptation. Dini should be a consultant, as should other comic writers. They should point Singer and team in the direction of what to do with the villains. What should be the motivations, because they know the characters.

That's my two cents.

-R

 

[superbaby]

I don't think he should write the script. Harris and Dougherty are good writers. But, they are science fiction writers...not comic book writers. There is a difference. The are good with dialogue and even wrote some interesting action in Superman Returns. They wrote X2: X-men United very well with a nice pace, great use of the many characters and it was a strong adaptation. Dini should be a consultant, as should other comic writers. They should point Singer and team in the direction of what to do with the villains. What should be the motivations, because they know the characters.

That's my two cents.

-R

how arrogant... are you saying singer and his team don't know the characters?

 

[DarkSuperman]

how arrogant... are you saying singer and his team don't know the characters?

If he's not. I am.

Singer is turning Superman into one of us...sad, weak, humans. The fact of the matter is Superman isn't one of us...He's Better! He doesn't do lame crap like knock up women without being honest or leave them without explanations, or stalk them outside their houses at night...these are things my college room mate would do Not SUPERMAN!

So, yeah. Him and his team don't know the character At All. It takes more than powers to a character make. Need I remind you of his interpretations of Storm and Rogue? How FAR away from the comic versions were they? Very.

 

[wellsy]

If he's not. I am.

Singer is turning Superman into one of us...sad, weak, humans. The fact of the matter is Superman isn't one of us...He's Better! He doesn't do lame crap like knock up women without being honest or leave them without explanations, or stalk them outside their houses at night...these are things my college room mate would do Not SUPERMAN!

So, yeah. Him and his team don't know the character At All. It takes more than powers to a character make. Need I remind you of his interpretations of Storm and Rogue? How FAR away from the comic versions were they? Very.

So to you, Superman is a goody-goody too-shoes, a Big Blue [Boring] Boy Scout?

I like him as human. Besides, Supes ain't God. He IS mortal, and thus flawed. He makes mistakes, like all of us. Decisions he might not otherwise make. If you just want to see Mr Perfect get into a bar brawl, go somewhere else. I would much rather a decent character to a lot of action.

Oh, and you don't have to be human to be human (people who have seen The Wrath of Khan should know what I mean).

 

[El Payaso]

If he's not. I am.

Singer is turning Superman into one of us...sad, weak, humans. The fact of the matter is Superman isn't one of us...He's Better! He doesn't do lame crap like knock up women without being honest or leave them without explanations, or stalk them outside their houses at night...these are things my college room mate would do Not SUPERMAN!

So, yeah. Him and his team don't know the character At All. It takes more than powers to a character make. Need I remind you of his interpretations of Storm and Rogue? How FAR away from the comic versions were they? Very.

Donner's Superman is like one of us. He falls in love and quits being Superman, he violates Jor-El's mandate not to save people but just Lois Lane.

Being based on that version, they pretty much know Superman.

 

[SuperDaniel]

The difference is in the execution of the themes. Donner succeeded while Singer didnt.

Plus, comparing Superman II with SR is really ridiculous. In SR, he is a illigitame father, makes a lot of mistakes by not saying goodbye or caring about Earth at all, while in SII he gaves up of his personal happyness to save the World.

The themes are VERY different.

 

[El Payaso]

The difference is in the execution of the themes. Donner succeeded while Singer didnt.

You mean at the BO or what?

Plus, comparing Superman II with SR is really ridiculous.

I understand it doesn't help your points.

In SR, he is a illigitame father, makes a lot of mistakes by not saying goodbye or caring about Earth at all, while in SII he gaves up of his personal happyness to save the World.

The themes are VERY different.

On the contrary: in SII Superman chooses his personal happiness over the world's salvation. And then when it's too late... he regrets his decision. Mh, much like in SR. Except than going to Krypton is not his personal happiness but something he HAS to do. At least in SR he didn't chose to manipulate Lois' mind without her permission at the end just to fix things up the easy way. Maybe you're partially right: there are some differences.

 

[manofsteel4life]

You mean at the BO or what?



I understand it doesn't help your points.



On the contrary: in SII Superman chooses his personal happiness over the world's salvation. And then when it's too late... he regrets his decision. Mh, much like in SR. Except than going to Krypton is not his personal happiness but something he HAS to do. At least in SR he didn't chose to manipulate Lois' mind without her permission at the end just to fix things up the easy way. Maybe you're partially right: there are some differences.

i agree

 

[superbaby]

So to you, Superman is a goody-goody too-shoes, a Big Blue [Boring] Boy Scout?

totally, absolutely disagree.
a good man; big blue boy scout =/= boring.
if that's the case, superman wouldn't survive all these years since 1938.
it was only those visionless, creative-less writers that made him dull and boring.

I like him as human. Besides, Supes ain't God. He IS mortal, and thus flawed. He makes mistakes, like all of us. Decisions he might not otherwise make. If you just want to see Mr Perfect get into a bar brawl, go somewhere else. I would much rather a decent character to a lot of action.

Oh, and you don't have to be human to be human (people who have seen The Wrath of Khan should know what I mean).

ya, i like the idea of him trying to live as human; making mistakes and then trying his best to make good the situation. and then he learned and gained an experience.

however in SR, the mistake he made, he didn't do anything about it. maybe he can't possible rectify it.
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.
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perhaps there is the theme... we gotta live with the mistake we made.
however that is really sucks for a superman movie. because in our daily life, we are already so helpless. we went to cinema to see a superman movie to relieve, to get hope n strength, to see the invincible superman to make good of the situation. however, he is helpless too. this is so miserable and depressing.
and that sucks... we don't need a superman movie to remind us how fragile and helpless our live is.

 

[hammy]

I don't think he should write the script. Harris and Dougherty are good writers. But, they are science fiction writers...not comic book writers. There is a difference. The are good with dialogue and even wrote some interesting action in Superman Returns. They wrote X2: X-men United very well with a nice pace, great use of the many characters and it was a strong adaptation. Dini should be a consultant, as should other comic writers. They should point Singer and team in the direction of what to do with the villains. What should be the motivations, because they know the characters.

That's my two cents.

-R

I'm not pro Dini but I am definitely anti Harris and Dougherty. I don't agree that they are good writers. If they had been, the movie would have been a lot better. It was pretty much crap all the way from script to casting to direction. Except for Routh. Routh was great. He just had crap material to work with.

 

[Showtime]

I thought the script actually flowed better than the movie itself and Singer's editing was horrid.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

They wrote within Singer's perimeters though.

 

[wellsy]

ya, i like the idea of him trying to live as human; making mistakes and then trying his best to make good the situation. and then he learned and gained an experience.

however in SR, the mistake he made, he didn't do anything about it. maybe he can't possible rectify it.
.
.
.
perhaps there is the theme... we gotta live with the mistake we made.
however that is really sucks for a superman movie. because in our daily life, we are already so helpless. we went to cinema to see a superman movie to relieve, to get hope n strength, to see the invincible superman to make good of the situation. however, he is helpless too. this is so miserable and depressing.
and that sucks... we don't need a superman movie to remind us how fragile and helpless our live is.

I daresay though, many would have felt it comforting to find that even a powerful being like Superman can be helpless at times.

Should he be like that all the time - hell no! But every now and then, Supes has to come up against a challenge that he can't face alone...

Which is where Justice League always comes in .

 

[superbaby]

I daresay though, many would have felt it comforting to find that even a powerful being like Superman can be helpless at times.

Should he be like that all the time - hell no! But every now and then, Supes has to come up against a challenge that he can't face alone...

Which is where Justice League always comes in .

i agree.

but in SR, the helpless situation is permanent.

you see, superman has to steal into richard's house to see his son. most of us think that superman shouldn't redeem his son. because the mistake he did and it will destroy the family and make him a bad guy. thus, he can't take any action. he can't kiss and hug his son everyday. people would think him as micheal jackson. all he can do is just looking him for far. and it now all depends on richard and lois.

you know how suck it is as a father? what more, the son is the only thing he got (as described in SR)? even Justice League comes in useless.

my point is...

we don't need to see a superman movie for this sorta drama. (we got it plenty in our tv series)

 

[deemar325]

Exactly, when will people learn this. Plus Dini and Timm have never even written a movie, so what makes people think they are capable of making a good one?

The simple solution is to let Dini and Tim write the basic plot while letting Singers' pet script writers do the dialogue.

Simple.


I'm sure Dini could take the current movie continuity and spin a fine plotline outta the crap Singer stirred with the superbaby and teen Lois Lane.

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

What about Dini and Tim creating with Harris and Dougherty a story, after what the last two finish screenplay?

 

[Penismightier]

Let it be a collaborative effort, but Dini and Timm have the final say, since after all, they know the characters backwards and forwards.

 

[nintendo nerd]

If he's not. I am.

Singer is turning Superman into one of us...sad, weak, humans. The fact of the matter is Superman isn't one of us...He's Better! He doesn't do lame crap like knock up women without being honest or leave them without explanations, or stalk them outside their houses at night...these are things my college room mate would do Not SUPERMAN!

So, yeah. Him and his team don't know the character At All. It takes more than powers to a character make. Need I remind you of his interpretations of Storm and Rogue? How FAR away from the comic versions were they? Very.

Says the guy with the Electric Superman avatar.

Worst Superman story ever.

 

[Lighthouse]

Says the guy with the Electric Superman avatar.

Worst Superman story ever.

Are you serious? You can't come up with a counter argument so you insult his avatar? Ad Hominem.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Are you serious? You can't come up with a counter argument so you insult his avatar? Ad Hominem.

All I'm saying its that he is criticizing SR's story when he has an avatar of the worst Superman interpretation ever.

Funny how he doesn't mention the way Superman sacrifices his life to save the Earth t the end of the movie. And he left Earth because he didn't know Lois was pregnant. But again you SR haters always use the same excuses: Stalker and Knock - off dad.

Oh yeah, I forgot the suit. A suit that looks exactly as a Superman suit.

 

[SuperDaniel]

How can someone watch the animated series or Justice League and say that these guys arent the right guys for the job? They have much more than a proven record and resumee.