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'They say that's the trouble with Utopia. You get bored. While there were big countries to fight, or big corporations, or just very powerful people, it was easier to be an individual.' He sighed artificially. 'Now everyone's an individual, eh, Mr C? It's taken a lot of the fun from life, I'll tell you.'

What would be the purpose of living in the sort of society created by the Venus Project?
 
'They say that's the trouble with Utopia. You get bored. While there were big countries to fight, or big corporations, or just very powerful people, it was easier to be an individual.' He sighed artificially. 'Now everyone's an individual, eh, Mr C? It's taken a lot of the fun from life, I'll tell you.'

What would be the purpose of living in the sort of society created by the Venus Project?

Dude you re serious? You re telling me that a world with constant wars between countries, big coorporations that control what we eat, how we think, pollute our planet, where 1 % of the population owns 40% of the planet's wealth, a world where 34,000 children die every single day from poverty and preventable diseases, and where 50% of the world's population lives on less than 2 dollars a day is more "fun" than a world where those things don't exist?

And where the heck do you get that there is absolutely no individuality in TVP? It's the opposite actually. Individuality and creativity will flourish since we wont have to strive with work to make a living. There will be so many things and freedom you will choose to do. Just to mention a few.

Travelling around the globe, activities that you like i.e. sports, drawing, creating video games, getting involved with other scientific groups that are working on planetary solutions to fix the problems of the planet. "What would be the purpose of life in a TVP society"? Um, live the f**** life and improve yourself and others.

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And for the ten millionth time. TVP is not a "Utopia". It is a better world than what we have today, constantly evolving and changing to fit the needs of the population. A world that is guided by logic and the scientific method instead of usless politics, to improve humanity and earth.
 
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From the 108 F.A.Q regarding TVP found here http://www.thevenusproject.com/extras/faq

77. What will people do?

I find it so sad when people ask, "What will people do?". Their brains have been so flattened that they have no other options in their lives other than a job and in most instances it is one that they do not like. Children are curious about everything and if nurtured they could have a much greater range of interests and abilities.

This culture does a wonderful job of limiting peoples' interests, opportunities, and abilities, and it conditions them to be lazy. People are not born that way any more than they are born with bigotry, hatred, prejudice, or particular values. We are aware that it is the environment that shapes people and if the culture is not changed there will be little change in human behavior.

Monotonous and dangerous jobs will inevitably be done away with by the advance of technology. People in a resource-based economy will be given the opportunity to engage in all manner of research and development, the creative arts and crafts, travel and exploration, and participation in all of the other limitless horizons the future has to offer.

The ultimate realization of the potential of cybernated and computerized technology solely to improve people's lives could produce the most revolutionary system ever to evolve. It will eventually eliminate all superficial boundaries set up by nations; as we are beginning to witness with the introduction of satellite communication and personal computers, it is almost impossible for nations today to censor ideas and information.
 
Really, it's fun just to disagree so we can watch the proponents of this "project" freak-out and get all self-righteous.
 
From the 108 F.A.Q regarding TVP found here http://www.thevenusproject.com/extras/faq

Your quote, item 77, doesn't give me anything specific; it's very nebulous. The quote in the first part of my post came from a favorite novel of mine. It seems appropriate and is more or less my view on the matter. The items you've highlighted give me something to fight for. That's when I feel most alive.
 
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Your quote, item 77, doesn't give me anything specific; it's very nebulous. The quote in the first part of my post came from a favorite novel of mine. It seems appropriate and is more or less my view on the matter. The items you've highlighted give me something to fight for. That's when I feel most alive.

"Nothing specific" and "nebulous," along with a heaping does of platitudes, sounds like the whole movement in a nutshell.
 
Really, it's fun just to disagree so we can watch the proponents of this "project" freak-out and get all self-righteous.

If that is what you perceive from this "project" then I feel sorry for you.
 
Your quote, item 77, doesn't give me anything specific; it's very nebulous. The quote in the first part of my post came from a favorite novel of mine. It seems appropriate and is more or less my view on the matter. The items you've highlighted give me something to fight for. That's when I feel most alive.

People in a resource-based economy will be given the opportunity to engage in all manner of research and development, the creative arts and crafts, travel and exploration, and participation in all of the other limitless horizons the future has to offer.

How is this not specific?

*gives another desperate try*
It's simple, in a TVP city you will fulfil every leisure, activity that you do in a limited way today, due to the constant struggle to get by. Still don't get it?
And don't worry, some form of problems will still exist in the future, so you can have "fun". Just not the same kind of problems as today.
 
The hindrance, for me, is that there's no impetus to drive me to pursue those items. It seems like you'd eventually wind up with a stagnating society.
 
"Nothing specific" and "nebulous," along with a heaping does of platitudes, sounds like the whole movement in a nutshell.

LOL Tons of lecture hours across many countries and analytical videos on TVP and your response is this? Seems like you have a shortsighted perception, thus not being able to grasp simple facts and mistaking them for "heaping does of platitudes". Your problem not mine.
 
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The hindrance, for me, is that there's no impetus to drive me to pursue those items. It seems like you'd eventually wind up with a stagnating society.

Uh, do you need an external impetus to drive you to pursue those items? Don't you have a personal will and joy for pursuing activities? OK then keep living in this kind of society if it suits you better. No point in trying explaining you further.
 
Uh, do you need an external impetus to drive you to pursue those items? Don't you have a personal will and joy for pursuing activities?

Certainly. My personal will is rooted in getting as much out of a short, chaotically uncertain life as is possible. It breeds creativity in my thought processes, work, and approach to my hobbies. There's a level of joy that emerges which is hard to describe.
 
Will this city have a police force?

No. There will bo no need for police

59. How can the use of Laws eliminated?

Today we try to control human behavior by enacting laws or signing treaties without changing the physical conditions responsible for aberrant behavior. When Earth's resources are seen as the common heritage of all people, irrelevant laws and social contracts will vanish.

In a resource-based economy, social responsibility would not be a function of artificial laws or force. Safeguards against abuse could be designed into the environment. An example of this is the proposed design of cities where people have free access to resources without debt. This would eliminate theft.

Such measures are not a matter of passing and enforcing laws to prevent and punish abuse. Rather, they are a means of designing the flaws out of any social venture, thus eliminating the need for many laws.
We are proposing doing away with the systems that cause corruption and human suffering in the first place. In a city with safe, clean, mass transportation, we do not need police to monitor drivers' speed, behavior at stop signs, or proper papers.

Other examples are the air and the water. Although both are necessary to our well-being and survival, there are no laws regulating how many breaths are taken per hour because we have such abundance at this time. No one monitors a gushing spring to see how much water is taken from it, although fresh water is absolutely necessary for the support of life. If it is abundant, no one monitors it.

I must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing in common with the present aims of an elite few to form a world government with themselves at the helm, and with the vast majority subservient to them. This newer vision of globalization empowers every person on the planet to be all they can be, without living in abject subjugation to a corporate governing body.

A society with human concern "designs out" laws and proclamations by making all things available to all people, regardless of race, color, or creed. When governments make laws, we are led to believe that these laws are made to enhance people's lives. In truth, laws are byproducts of insufficiency.

The question is, "can we grow beyond thinking that "someone" has to make decisions for us?"

A better understanding of natural law involves human's relationship to the environment, which supports all life. All of nature is subservient to natural law. Natural law cannot be violated without serious consequences to individuals or societies. Natural laws dominate all living systems. For example, without water, sun, or nutrients, plants and animals die.
An environment of scarcity, hunger, and poverty is a threat to everyone.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/extras/faq
 
Certainly. My personal will is rooted in getting as much out of a short, chaotically uncertain life as is possible. It breeds creativity in my thought processes, work, and approach to my hobbies. There's a level of joy that emerges which is hard to describe.

What you don't seem to get is that in TVP there will still be individuality and unceartinty. Just not the type of uncertainty that involves threats like a nuclear war, toxic pollution and deadly threats in general for the total population like today.
 
LOL Tons of lecture hours across many countries and analytical videos on TVP and your response is this? Seems like you have a shortsighted perception, thus not being able to grasp simple facts and mistaking them for "heaping does of platitudes". Your problem not mine.

If that is what you perceive from this "project" then I feel sorry for you.

Hmm. Wasn't I just saying something about self-righteousness? I think I was. Thanks for reminding me and proving my point!

The irony here is hilarious. You're pushing a peaceful society but you immediately go into full-on jerk-mode when someone doesn't swallow your worldview whole. Just fills me with confidence in your ideas.
 
There will always be a need for police. Whether everything is free or not. It wouldn't stop people from committing crimes against one another. Or people from the outside trying to break down the seemingly perfect civilization inside.

And what? No traffic cops? lol. No matter how good life is in the city, there will still be speeders. :p
 
Hmm. Wasn't I just saying something about self-righteousness? I think I was. Thanks for reminding me and proving my point!

The irony here is hilarious. You're pushing a peaceful society but you immediately go into full-on jerk-mode when someone doesn't swallow your worldview whole. Just fills me with confidence in your ideas.

And you come out of the sudden and disregard a large group of people and their work as being "nebulous" and all that. How do you excpect me exactly to respond you? I am not Gandhi or Jesus, just a simple man with ups and downs. And oh, just for the record, wishing to live in a peaceful world, doesn't mean that you are full of kindness and giving flowers to everybody. It's about being aware of the world you live in and hiting with honesty and facts. If you can't put up with this, I'm sorry I can't change it.
 
An example of this is the proposed design of cities where people have free access to resources without debt. This would eliminate theft.
No it wouldn't. "Eliminating theft" isn't gonna happen. We can do plenty of things to reduce it, but getting rid of it completely is a naive pipe dream.

And what about crimes of passion? A resource based economy has nothing to do with a spurned lover killing a cheating spouse in the heat of the moment. What about drunk drivers and hit-and-runs? What about rape and child abuse? These things are not magically going to vanish.
 
There will always be a need for police. Whether everything is free or not. It wouldn't stop people from committing crimes against one another. Or people from the outside trying to break down the seemingly perfect civilization inside.

And what? No traffic cops? lol. No matter how good life is in the city, there will still be speeders. :p

Sure there might be some crimes against one another in the age of transition from this system to the new. But such abherent behaviors would drsticly be reduced in zero numbers. The holistic education from a young age and the uplifting of human spirit will completly change our perception of our relationship with each other, once we do away with money and the stress to get by.

I hope you re joking about the traffic cops.
 
And oh, just for the record, wishing to live in a peaceful world, doesn't mean that you are full of kindness and giving flowers to everybody. It's about being aware of the world you live in and hiting with honesty and facts.

That's the exact opposite of what this movement represents. I see a fantasy world supported by nebulous, vaguely new-agey feel good nonsense and runaway assumptions and if's that have no basis in the actual world we live in. I don't see a movement that is motivated at all by taking the world as it honestly is.
 
Sure there might be some crimes against one another in the age of transition from this system to the new. But such abherent behaviors would drsticly be reduced in zero numbers. The holistic education from a young age and the uplifting of human spirit will completly change our perception of our relationship with each other, once we do away with money and the stress to get by.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on, this is the definition of a vague, nebulous idea. This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post when I referred to these ideas as "vaguely new-agey feel-good nonsense." That statement is loaded with unsupportable assumptions.
 
No it wouldn't. "Eliminating theft" isn't gonna happen. We can do plenty of things to reduce it, but getting rid of it completely is a naive pipe dream.

Why would anyone want to steal something from you, when he can get it for free directly in the distribution center?

And what about crimes of passion? A resource based economy has nothing to do with a spurned lover killing a cheating spouse in the heat of the moment. What about drunk drivers and hit-and-runs? What about rape and child abuse? These things are not magically going to vanish.

Firstly, there won't be any drivers. People would get transported with high speed maglev trains across the cities and automated cars. If you would like to drive a car youself there would be special circuit tracks, for that purpose.

Secondly about the crimes of passion. That is a matter of a sane education from a young age. And teaching to kids that no one owns any one and we are all free to love whoever we feel like. But, even if some of those types of crime exist, such as rapers and child abusers, there would be special detention centers, were the criminals would get actual help to understand what they have caused and why and how they can become saner human beings and fully recovered fom their mental problems that caused those crimes in the first place.

In short words, in the period of transition, yes there would be some form of "police", but that need would gradually fade away.
 
Sure there might be some crimes against one another in the age of transition from this system to the new. But such abherent behaviors would drsticly be reduced in zero numbers. The holistic education from a young age and the uplifting of human spirit will completly change our perception of our relationship with each other, once we do away with money and the stress to get by.

I hope you re joking about the traffic cops.
No joke about the traffic cops. Well, I was joking. But seriously the need to police the streets and uphold the laws will still be there. No matter how much we teach everyone to respect eachother. Its never gonna be like Heaven. Thats the sad reality of it. I think you know that too. I'd hate for you to put all your energy into something that wont work out because humanity is just so flawed. However it is a noble cause, so I can't have hard feelings against you for wanting the best for humanity. I think thats what most of us want.
 
That's the exact opposite of what this movement represents. I see a fantasy world supported by nebulous, vaguely new-agey feel good nonsense and runaway assumptions and if's that have no basis in the actual world we live in. I don't see a movement that is motivated at all by taking the world as it honestly is.

Um, then you clearly got it all wrong. This has nothing to do with the movement. I don't know what type of information you are into. Have you watched any video about it, or have you read some words from me here?
 

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