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[Quasimod0]

Why would anyone want to steal something from you, when he can get it for free directly in the distribution center?

People would still do it just to spite one another.

Firstly, there won't be any drivers. People would get transported with high speed maglev trains across the cities and automated cars. If you would like to drive a car youself there would be special circuit tracks, for that purpose.

Well nevermind about the traffic cops.

Secondly about the crimes of passion. That is a matter of a sane education from a young age. And teaching to kids that no one owns any one and we are all free to love whoever we feel like. But, even if some of those types of crime exist, such as rapers and child abusers, there would be special detention centers, were the criminals would get actual help to understand what they have caused and why and how they can become saner human beings and fully recovered fom their mental problems that caused those crimes in the first place.

In short words, in the period of transition, yes there would be some form of "police", but that need would gradually fade away.

Being free to love whoever you want would do the opposite of make society better. People would still want a woman of their own, or a man of their own. Whenever emotion is involved, problems will definitely arise. Its just human nature. The hippies already tried the free love thing, and it only ends in heartbreak or worse.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on, this is the definition of a vague, nebulous idea. This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post when I referred to these ideas as "vaguely new-agey feel-good nonsense." That statement is loaded with unsupportable assumptions.

Would you feel better if I told you, there would be this and that law that would punish whoever commits a crime, and he would get imprisoned for the rest of their lives? It might be vague, but that's just how it is. And it would be a much safer place to live even without police, contrary to today.

If you cannot accept that by letting people have free access to all goods, automaticly you reduce crime to 90% then yeah it is logical that you feel that way.

 

[Quasimod0]

I don't think that letting people have free goods would reduce crime by that much. Crime would just evolve with the current situation.

 

[moviedoors]

Um, then you clearly got it all wrong. This has nothing to do with the movement. I don't know what type of information you are into. Have you watched any video about it, or have you read some words from me here?

I just read a paragraph written by you claiming that this movement can eliminate all forms of violence and bigotry from the world. That is naive nonsense. I see a lot of harping about "natural law" all the while disregarding that nature is a cruel, uncaring mistress that perpetuates itself on death and pain and being eaten alive screaming. Peacefulness never made a species successful. Being a bigger predator or being able to outrun the predator is what works, not holding hands.

 

[moviedoors]

Would you feel better if I told you, there would be this and that law that would punish whoever commits a crime, and he would get imprisoned for the rest of their lives?

Not how you characterize it, but I would prefer a world with law and order, and people to enforce it because it's just necessary.

It might be vague, but that's just how it is. And it would be a much safer place to live even without police, contrary to today.

Because most police are bunch of corrupt pigs, right?

If you cannot accept that by letting people have free access to all goods, automaticly you reduce crime to 90% then yeah it is logical that you feel that way.

90% is not "eliminating it to zero" or whatever you just said. And further, you pulled 90% out of your ass. And further, I never made such a claim. Of course addressing class issues and poverty would be a great way to reduce crime, but it would not eliminate it.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I just read a paragraph written by you claiming that this movement can eliminate all forms of violence and bigotry from the world. That is naive nonsense. I see a lot of harping about "natural law" and the while disregarding that nature is a cruel, uncaring mistress that perpetuates itself on death and pain and being eaten alive screaming. Peacefulness never made a species successful. Being a bigger predator or being able to outrun the predator is what works, not holding hands.

Hm, now you woudn't say those things if you happened to be raised in famine, as in some places like Palestine or India lacking the basic needs in life. Anyways, you are free to act by what your logic dictates you. The future though will be shaped as it should, regardless what we on our minds believe.

 

[moviedoors]

Hm, now you woudn't say those things if you happened to be raised in famine, as in some places like Palestine or India lacking the basic needs in life. Anyways, you are free to act by what your logic dictates you. The future though will be shaped as it should, regardless what we on our minds believe.

Now you're just missing my point. I'm not advocating violence, I'm blowing a hole through this notion that "natural law", another vague, nebulous, meaningless term, is peaceful. At least I think that's what you're doing because now you're becoming hard to follow at all.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Not how you characterize it, but I would prefer a world with law and order, and people to enforce it because it's just necessary.
Because most police are bunch of corrupt pigs, right?

You got it all wrong. I didn't meant anything about cops. I meant that by having free access to goods there would be no need for most crimes.

90% is not "eliminating it to zero" or whatever you just said. And further, you pulled 90% out of your ass. And further, I never made such a claim. Of course addressing class issues and poverty would be a great way to reduce crime, but it would not eliminate it.

Do I need to say this again? In the period of transition from this system to the new there would be a small portion of crime.

 

[Alex_Spider]

No joke about the traffic cops. Well, I was joking. But seriously the need to police the streets and uphold the laws will still be there. No matter how much we teach everyone to respect eachother. Its never gonna be like Heaven. Thats the sad reality of it. I think you know that too. I'd hate for you to put all your energy into something that wont work out because humanity is just so flawed. However it is a noble cause, so I can't have hard feelings against you for wanting the best for humanity. I think thats what most of us want.

I never said nor the project that its gonna be like heaven or some kind of Utopia. Just a very better world than what we have today. lol I like how you care about my wasted energy and feel sorry. But seriously, I appreciate the bold part. I guess it is something.

I will never accept that humanity is flawed though. We are speices that can achieve wonders and reach the far limits of space and prosper for eternity through the scientific method and the technological advancement. We are just fighting one another, out of greed and relentless stresful struggle to meet ends meet, keeping us in a technological dark age.

 

[Quasimod0]

I really have nothing against you at all man. I can see that your heart is in the right place at least. Even if i dont agree with all that you think.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I just read a paragraph written by you claiming that this movement can eliminate all forms of violence and bigotry from the world.

So you get a general impression regarding this project by a paragraph I wrote. Please do me a faviour and watch some descriptive video in youtube or ask me to provide you some to get a quick insight so you can judge better. If you go a couple of pages back you will see a bunch of videos I have posted.

 

[dark_b]

Firstly, there won't be any drivers. People would get transported with high speed maglev trains across the cities and automated cars. If you would like to drive a car youself there would be special circuit tracks, for that purpose.

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thats how you create envy. 99% get transported. but 1% have a ''car''. they are more popular than others.everyone could get a car? i f... doubt it. envy,passion,anger and jealousy. goodbye happy perfect world.

the only way to have a controled environment is if you control what everyone has. you can not give the human everything and expect that we live in harmony.

 

[Alex_Spider]

thats how you create envy. 99% get transported. but 1% have a ''car''. they are more popular than others.everyone could get a car? i f... doubt it. envy,passion,anger and jealousy. goodbye happy perfect world.

the only way to have a controled environment is if you control what everyone has. you can not give the human everything and expect that we live in harmony.

You didn't get what I wrote. Everyone would drive a car in a special circuit whenever they feel like, there wouldn't be just 1% that owns a car, they would be free for use, just like the library books of today. And the point of having purely a public transportation through the city by maglev trains, is to maximize efficiency and reduce the huge amount of traffic that cars produce and the waste of recources that go into creating them.

I hope I cleared this up for you.