The Warmonger Thread

Here's some recent news about the former Soviet states:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/04/russia.collective.military/index.html

What isn't mentioned in that article is that Uzbekistan was another Central Asian country that closed down an American base in their territory. Before that there had been complaints about human rights abuses against Uzbeki (sp?) citizens by the authorities. A British Ambassador was recalled for bringing up this issue. Later America (under the Bush Administration) accepted Uzbekistan's request to get out.

So what's going to happen up there in the next few years?
 
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While we're talking about nukes, let's not forget that Bush made things more difficult when he made that nuclear deal with India. India has not signed any nuclear treaty but now they'll be receiving material from America. Neighboring Pakistan has also not signed any nuclear treaty, and opinions are stacked up against them while India remains with an itchy trigger finger.
 
Ex-President of Iran Mohammad Khatami (1997-2005) is expected to run for president again against Mahoud Ahmadinejad in Junes election. Khatami tried to introdue reforms, greater tolerance and moderation when he was in office. His term lead to thawing between the west which was undone once hardliner Ahmadinejad came to power. It would be good news if Khatami is relected.
 
But his chances are pretty slim as long as the Ayatollah dictates state affairs.
 
True but the country would still be better off without Mahoud Ahmadinejad running his mouth off.
 
In all honesty.
North Korea to me....is a not an issue.
Even if they have nukes....I dont think war will occur....the only people they could theoretically invade is China....Russia....South Korea.
South Korea is the only one they could theoretically invade and win.

I don't SEE them going there...I just don't see it.
 
The human race will always be at war in some way or the other. It's just the way it is. If you think about it all races, all species are at war with each other. From Lions to Trees, from Spiders to Whales. It's just the way it is.
 
The human race will always be at war in some way or the other. It's just the way it is. If you think about it all races, all species are at war with each other. From Lions to Trees, from Spiders to Whales. It's just the way it is.

Lions and trees are at war with one another :huh::woot:

I would bet on the Whale beating the Spider :funny:
 
The human race will always be at war in some way or the other. It's just the way it is. If you think about it all races, all species are at war with each other. From Lions to Trees, from Spiders to Whales. It's just the way it is.

Dude, I'm a human killing machine. But even I know the value of peace.
 
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U.S. now sees Iran as pursuing nuclear bomb
U.S. intelligence officials later said the conclusion was based on evidence that Iran had stopped secret efforts to design a nuclear warhead around the time of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Often overlooked in the NIE, officials said, was that Iran had not stopped its work on other crucial fronts, including missile design and uranium enrichment. Many experts contend that these are more difficult than building a bomb.
Care of Wikipedia: Gun Type Fission Weapon, as oppose to much more complicated Plutonium bombs.

Interesting development.
 
Earlier this week the Secretary General of NATO said he did not consider Russia a threat. Hopefully it will stay that way and we can move on from an outdated Cold War mentality
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/27/north.korea.us.ships/index.html
TOKYO, (CNN) -- Japan is mobilizing its missile defense system, and U.S. Navy ships are deploying to the Sea of Japan, as North Korea prepares to launch a rocket that is expected next month, officials said.
The USS Chaffee is one of two destroyers headed to South Korea for an upcoming ceremony.

The USS Chaffee is one of two destroyers headed to South Korea for an upcoming ceremony.

Japan's move, aimed at shooting down debris from the launch that might fall into its territory, is notable for a country with a pacifist constitution.

The U.S. ships are capable of shooting down ballistic missiles, a Navy spokesman said.

North Korea says it will launch a commercial satellite on top of a rocket sometime between April 4 and April 8. But other governments fear the North Koreans will actually put a long-range missile on top of the rocket.

The United States and Japan have been stepping up pressure on North Korea, hoping to head off the launch. Video Watch more about the rising tensions »

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Borodavkin on Friday also urged North Korea to not launch the rocket, Russia's Interfax news agency reported.

Japan's military has two-pronged orders: to move destroyers carrying air-to-sea missiles to the Sea of Japan, which separates Japan and North Korea, and to send land-to-air missiles to northern Japan.
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* N. Korea defends right to 'explore space'
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* Japan 'legally able' to shoot down satellite

However, the probability of a missile successfully hitting a moving target without a known trajectory -- as in the case of debris -- is very low, Japanese Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Yo****ada Konoike said earlier this week.

If North Korea launches, the United States may have as little as five minutes to decide whether it is a threat and, if necessary, try to shoot it down.

The U.S. ships that are being moved to the Sea of Japan are "prepared to track a launch or more, if afforded," according to a U.S. Navy official who could not be named because of the sensitivity of the information.

The United States generally has a number of Aegis-capable ships in the Sea of Japan because of the threat posed by North Korea to launch missiles. The ships monitor the region and are designed to track and, if need be, shoot down ballistic missiles. See a satellite image of a North Korean launch site

The USS Hopper, a destroyer with the Aegis radar system aboard, was scheduled for a port call in Japan in coming days. But the port call was canceled and the ship will remain in the Sea of Japan ahead of the launch, the official said.
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Two other U.S. Navy Aegis-capable destroyers, the USS Chaffee and USS McCain, were leaving the port in Sasebo, Japan, and were heading to South Korea for a ceremony in coming days, according to the U.S. Navy official with direct knowledge of the operations.

The U.S. Navy just wrapped up military exercises with the South Korean military, bringing a number of its ships into the region.

So what are the odds that this thing gets shot down? Any takers?
 
How would you like to be Obama right now?

On one hand, you don't want N. Korea exploring the use of 4000 Mile Radias Missles. On the other, you are being told that if you shot them down, it's an act of war. Do you shoot it down or do you not?
 
How would you like to be Obama right now?

On one hand, you don't want N. Korea exploring the use of 4000 Mile Radias Missles. On the other, you are being told that if you shot them down, it's an act of war. Do you shoot it down or do you not?

Tell them that by firing the missle it shows a sign of aggression and that we will consider it an act of war. I say we should surround them with our ships. Show them that we are serious and we are tired of playing games with them. If they fire it anyways, we should shoot it down.
 
Tell them that by firing the missle it shows a sign of aggression and that we will consider it an act of war. I say we should surround them with our ships. Show them that we are serious and we are tired of playing games with them. If they fire it anyways, we should shoot it down.
Then you are asking for the possible break down of the region. China would possibily fall in line with N Korea. Japan would side with us, as would S. Korea. China could use the tension to open up struggle with Taiwan. This could cause splintering within the International Community. Russia would possibily fall in line with China and N. Korea. Because it would benefit their own Regional Stability. Iran falls into supporting Russia. EU backs the United States.

What then?
 
I don' t think I'd go so far as to say act of war. North Korea is pretty cozy with Chine-r, and we don't need them any more angry at us than they are - we need them buying more of our debt!
 
On the other hand, the Chinese might just tell N Korea to knock it off if the missile gets shot down. They dont want to exacerbate tensions with the US over a missile test.
 
China, Japan, and all of those little Tigers over there DO NOT want North Korea shooting anything off. China needs us to buy their goods, they don't want us mad at them anymore than we want them mad at us.
 

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