The Wrestling Thread's got...needs - Part 216

[Lead Cenobite]

Man all of these injuries suck given the timing. Karma for all of WWE's terrible booking and failure to create true main event stars over the years.

It seems almost like some psychological chain reaction where a few injuries makes the rest of the roster second guess themselves in the ring, causing them to choke at critical moments and botch moves and hurt themselves and their opponents, causing the body count to grow.

Either that or they're being pushed to do more dangerous spots due to the sagging ratings, thus increasing the likelihood of injuries.

 

[nite-owl]

So many injuries this Wrestlemania season.John Cena,Seth Rollins,Cesaro,Daniel Bryan,Nikki Bella.This should be interesting to see how this all comes together.

It's like the episode of The Simpsons with Mr Burns softball team.

 

[cabel]

Reigns vs. Lesnar in a 240-minute Iron Man match. Problem solved.

Is it odd that I kind of want to see that?

 

[Wheels]

James Storm is probably the most underrated mic worker of current wrestling. He cut a killer promo on Impact Wrestling.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[javonstokess]

Cena hurt?

Still time to implement my Ambrose wins WHC at Royal Rumble plan.

Frankly, WWE has the players to make stars, they just go about it kinda backwards. Guys like Reigns, Ambrose, Owens, Ziggler, Titus O'Neil, Rusev, Del Rio, Barrett and the New Day should be more than enough to develop and make into mega-stars.

 

[OctaviusINC]

I think Triple H is going to win the Royal Rumble screwing Reigns out of the championship and getting his "revenge".

Then they'll finally have a match at Mania and Reigns will win it back.

 

[SpideyVille]

True. Just thinking about the spot WWE is in here. Maybe WWE will put Ambrose in a bigger position or debut some people? Dolph Ziggler is good and everything but he's losing to the One Man Band and was in what's generally considered the worst angle of last year.

I'm a big fan of Dolph, but I'm not happy with where his career has gone in the past couple of years. I wasn't as into the program a few years ago, but that pop at Raw when he cashed in MITB is something I still remember to this day.

But now, he's basically a glorified jobber, and what's worse is his feud with Tyler Breeze that went nowhere, and now Breeze is a jobber, so the whole feud seemed pointless. I like the guy in the ring, but I think he needs some more work on the mic because every promo I've seen and even in just his moments, he seems very awkward and unsure of what to do, and I almost wonder if his history with concussions may have something to do with it.

Honestly, I don't really look forward to seeing the Rock in the ring anymore. He looks better now than he did 10 years ago, but I'd rather just hear him cut promos than be in a short term feud.

It seems almost like some psychological chain reaction where a few injuries makes the rest of the roster second guess themselves in the ring, causing them to choke at critical moments and botch moves and hurt themselves and their opponents, causing the body count to grow.

Either that or they're being pushed to do more dangerous spots due to the sagging ratings, thus increasing the likelihood of injuries.

How many botch moves have there been though? I don't quite know how Cesaro or Otron got hurt, and I'm guessing Cena got hurt on Smackdown so we might see that tonight, but Sting got hurt on a move Seth always does, Seth got hurt by a bad fall, Bryan took a bad bump. I feel like for the most part, it's all just freak accidents that couldn't really be avoided.

 

[SpideyVille]

Cena hurt?

Still time to implement my Ambrose wins WHC at Royal Rumble plan.

Frankly, WWE has the players to make stars, they just go about it kinda backwards. Guys like Reigns, Ambrose, Owens, Ziggler, Titus O'Neil, Rusev, Del Rio, Barrett and the New Day should be more than enough to develop and make into mega-stars.

It's funny because after watching the MNW videos, it almost sounds like WWE is doing now what WCW did wrong. Granted, they have NXT now so there is a system in place to bring in new talent, but at the same time, it's developmental, meaning the effects won't be seen for a few years. The big issue is on the Main roster and a guy like Finn Balor is on the same level as someone like Titus O'Neil or Barrett, where they're familiar faces, but need time to be built up. Look what happened when they tried to force Reigns to be the man, the crowd hated it, and it took a year for him to finally go over and for people to accept him as champ, and even then, it was done out of necessity since Seth was gone. Who knows how it would have played out had Seth faced Reigns for the belt.

 

[javonstokess]

It's funny because after watching the MNW videos, it almost sounds like WWE is doing now what WCW did wrong. Granted, they have NXT now so there is a system in place to bring in new talent, but at the same time, it's developmental, meaning the effects won't be seen for a few years. The big issue is on the Main roster and a guy like Finn Balor is on the same level as someone like Titus O'Neil or Barrett, where they're familiar faces, but need time to be built up. Look what happened when they tried to force Reigns to be the man, the crowd hated it, and it took a year for him to finally go over and for people to accept him as champ, and even then, it was done out of necessity since Seth was gone. Who knows how it would have played out had Seth faced Reigns for the belt.

The problem with the WWE now is the inability to create good feuds. It's easy for them to do feuds involving titles, but they rush or half-a** every other type of feud. They also don't do Rubs well.

Kevin Owens is a great heel for the WWE. Put him in a REAL intense feud with Titus O'Neil to give fans a reason to cheer for Titus.
Dean Ambrose is a great face for the WWE. Put him in a REAL intense feud with Wade Barrett to give fans a reason to boo him.

WWE forgot how to be storytellers with anything outside of the championship belts.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Honestly, I don't really look forward to seeing the Rock in the ring anymore. He looks better now than he did 10 years ago, but I'd rather just hear him cut promos than be in a short term feud.

Bigger muscles = less endurance. He could get dangerously gassed more easily; we saw that in his last matches against Cena. Him in a tag match with some younger guys to get them over would be good.

 

[Wylie Times]

Bigger muscles = less endurance. He could get dangerously gassed more easily; we saw that in his last matches against Cena. Him in a tag match with some younger guys to get them over would be good.

I'd say it's less about him having bigger muscles and more about the simple fact that he wasn't in ring shape. It takes a while to get back in ring shape when you've been out of action for that long. Hell Batista came back and was smaller than when he left but continually got gassed. I think Brock was smaller when he first got back too and he had some cardio issues also.

The main issue with Rock being bulkier is that he gave up a lot of his flexibility and that makes him more prone to injuries.

 

[Wylie Times]

Oops, double post..

 

[chamber-music]

Man all of these injuries suck given the timing. Karma for all of WWE's terrible booking and failure to create true main event stars over the years.

Agreed, the WWE f***** themselves dropping the ball with so much talent they have had over the years.

They need to wheel out guys like The Dudleys and Jericho in 2016 to draw since they did such a terrible job with much of their recent talent.

There will come a day when the WWE can't rely on guys from the attitude era or ECW veterans.

Bigger muscles = less endurance. He could get dangerously gassed more easily; we saw that in his last matches against Cena. Him in a tag match with some younger guys to get them over would be good.

I think it was his size, age and lack of cardio work.

 

[Wylie Times]

Agreed, the WWE f***** themselves dropping the ball with so much talent they have had over the years.

They need to wheel out guys like The Dudleys and Jericho in 2016 to draw since they did such a terrible job with much of their recent talent.

There will come a day when the WWE can't rely on guys from the attitude era or ECW veterans.

I don't think they brought in the Dudley's or Jericho to draw.

They keep older guys around specifically to help the younger guys gain more experience. Virtually every pro wrestler that's worth a damn has said they wouldn't have made it if not for being able to learn from veterans that they worked with. It's like how sports teams always needs some veteran players on the roster in order to help the younger guys out.

 

[javonstokess]

I don't think they brought in the Dudley's or Jericho to draw.

They keep older guys around specifically to help the younger guys gain more experience. Virtually every pro wrestler that's worth a damn has said they wouldn't have made it if not for being able to learn from veterans that they worked with. It's like how sports teams always needs some veteran players on the roster in order to help the younger guys out.

Agreed. The Dudleys were helping to get the Wyatt's over for their feud.

 

[nite-owl]

Konnor of The Ascension is injured as well.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Japan’s Tokyo Sports publication has confirmed that Shinsuke Nakamura will be leaving New Japan Pro Wrestling later this month and is headed to WWE.



Nakamura, who retained NJPW’s Intercontinental championship against AJ Styles at Monday’s Wrestle Kingdom 10 PPV from the Tokyo Dome, gave his first public comments about why he decided to join WWE. He explained that he is looking for a new challenge and hopes to reach “new heights” with WWE’s global platform.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Konnor of The Ascension is injured as well.

Well, then that leaves it wide open who's going to have their bad promo get interrupted by the debut of Styles, Anderson, Gallows and Nakamura and then get his ass kicked.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Speculation has abounded the past twenty-four hours with the news that NJPW stars AJ Styles, Doc Gallows, Karl Anderson and Shinsuke Nakamura could be heading to WWE.

Earlier today New Japan Pro Wrestling held a press conference. During the press conference they talked about the upcoming NJPW/CMLL Fantasticamania Tour that kicks off on January 17th. The final three shows will be presented live on NJPW World from Korakuen Hall and all three shows advertise Shinsuke Nakamura in matches. AJ Styles, Doc Gallows & Karl Anderson are not advertised for any matches. Below are the days and matches that Nakamura is advertised for:

January 22nd
Virus, Kazuchika Okada & Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Dragon Lee, Hiroshi Tanahashi & Ryusuke Taguchi

January 23rd
Stuka Jr. & Ryusuke Taguchi vs. Shinsuke Nakamura & Barbaro Cavernario

January 24th
Dragon Lee, Hiroshi Tanahashi & Juice Robinson vs. Barbaro Cavernario, Kazuchika Okada & Shinsuke Nakamura.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

so every title holder from the end of mania last year is injured that's kinda freaky

 

[Slushy]

Man, I was looking forward to finally seeing Cena Vs. Undertaker happen at Wrestlemania. Hopefully, next year if Undertaker sticks around for one more money match.

Sting, Orton, Rollins, Bryan, Cesaro, Nikki, AND Cena are all injured! Wrestlemania 32 is cursed! Maybe this will force WWE to have an off-season.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Well, then that leaves it wide open who's going to have their bad promo get interrupted by the debut of Styles, Anderson, Gallows and Nakamura and then get his ass kicked.

Easy:

Heath Slater and Company.

All four have to Bolieve!

 

[nite-owl]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dixie Carter herself going around with a lead pipe that was causing all these injuries.