Sequels They should spend less money on Spidey 4?

[Catman]

Just to be on the safe side I think Sony should spend less money on Spidey 4. Even though many were disappointed with the third installment I don't think it'll affect the fourth film's box office. The Bond films and now Pirates 3 have proven that IMO. Now, you're probably wondering in what way they should spend less money. Well...if Lizard was the villlain I don't think it would be THAT expensive. Instead of a CGI Lizard they should just hire Rick Baker to do some badass make-up effects!

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree that SM4 shouldn't be as expensive. That is why a good story oriented movie (with the like of Lizard and Kraven) would be more inexpensive, but still really cool.

The Lizard should be done more like the Xenomorphs in Aliens, but since they have even gone CGI with them, I think CGI will be heavily used for the Lizard (assuming he is used).

 

[FaT_tONle]

200 million is a solid budget.... new cast members will be cheaper... less work on the CGI... they could do it with 150 to be honest... Lizard Kraven alone... no doubt... they need to get back down to earth and try to build up the profits slowly... start from scratch... you can't make it bigger and grander after every film

 

[Spider-Fan]

They need to make it different. Not grander, but different. That is what someone like the Lizard can do. May not give a grand aerial duel, but he could provide some very memorable fights.

 

[Catman]

they could do it with 150 to be honest...

Yeah, 150 million would be the ideal budget. And, since Spidey will be fighting Lizard in the sewers he'll probably be doing more crawling than swinging! That should be cheaper.

 

[Spiderine]

It should definitely be much less than the 3rd movie. 200 million sounds ideal. Lizard and Kraven would be the villains hopefully. Battles between the three of those should be nothing compared to what Sandman required.

 

[Catman]

Battles between the three of those should be nothing compared to what Sandman required.

Exactly!

 

[miller man]

Well, Spider-Man 1 had the lowest budget with the highest box office total, and if S-M3 fails to surpass 2 at the box office (which it might), it will be in inverse to the respective budgets. The bottom line is that two of the most vital ingredients to Spidey success costs the least, and that's an inspired, faithful script and a focused vision.
Even though S-M1 had pretty cheesy CGI effects (not even in retrospect; at the time they were considered cheesy), that didn't prevent it from being a smash hit.
As long as the producers (Avi Arad really needs to step down, btw) make smart decisions concerning the direction they go from here, they could easily make a hugely successful S-M4 with half the budget of the third.

 

[Harry Goblin]

well heres my opinion. if i saw a non cgi lizard i think the other villians would look weird or all sp3 villians lmao. but really i think theyll go with cgi

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

How about a half-animatronic/half-CGI Lizard like they've done with the "Jurassic Park" films and Scorpion and Spidey can be CGI when they're fighting. Kraven doesn't need any CGI.

So, mostly the effects shots would just go to Spidey and Lizard alone. That'd be 150 million right there.

 

[Matt.S99]

ya i agree, the raptors in jurassic park were just guys in robotic suits, just make it a costume and have him as a cgi model when he moves quickly or is in fight scenes

 

[Mr. Socko]

Def. It's cost millions testing out CG sand and all of that. They won't have to worry about that this time 'round.

 

[Catman]

S-M3 fails to surpass 2 at the box office

If Spidey 3 makes 70 million dollars more it'll tie the second installment. At this point thats unlikely though.

well heres my opinion. if i saw a non cgi lizard i think the other villians would look weird

None of the villains have been CGI except for action sequences. I think if they just hire Rick Baker they'll have an awesome looking Lizard.

 

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

There's a new story up on The Lizard & Kraven possibly being in 4 but mostly Lizard.
I hope he's in it. That'd be awesome.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If Spidey 3 makes 70 million dollars more it'll tie the second installment. At this point thats unlikely though.



None of the villains have been CGI except for action sequences. I think if they just hire Rick Baker they'll have an awesome looking Lizard.

Rather have Stan Winston do the Lizard than Rick Baker. Rick Baker keeps doing Eddie Murphy movies. Stan Winston knows giant lizards---he worked on "Jurassic Park" for Pete's sakes!

 

[pjspider1C]

^ You mean Dylan Baker, right? That's the name of the actor that played Dr. Connors in the last two films.

Anyway, the last few posts of this thread seem to be saying that it the amount of CGI they use depends on the character. And I agree, that's true. However, if you read the interviews and watch the special features on the DVDs, they always say they only use CGI where an actual actor or an animatronic puppet cannot satisfy the needs of a specific shot. In other words, the amount of CGI used depends on the action more so than any specific character. Now, the Lizard is capable of performing some pretty amazing acting sequences on screen. That along with his transformation (which, in my opinion, should be on the same level as the "Birth of Sandman" scene), leads me to think that Sony will spend just as much, if not more, on SM4 than they did on SM3. And if that's not a good enough reason for you, then Sony will do it simply because they can. And personally, as an audience member, I really don't care how much they spend. I just want a quality movie.

 

[Spiderine]

SM3 has already passed SM2 in the total boxoffice numbers right? And it could catch SM1 making it the highest grossing Spidey film, am I right?

 

[Visionary]

Yes, you are right.

SM3 will without a doubt become the biggest grossing comic book film of all-time. Count on it. It's already passed SM2, and it's less than 20M away from SM1 worldwide total. Give it about 2 weeks, and SM1 will be dust worldwide.

However, I do agree that Spider-Man 4 should have a smaller budget of around a 150-160M tops. Using The Lizard and Kraven The Hunter, would give us some cool action scenes, a tighter story, with new supporting characters...it could be very well worth it.

I also think that Sony should team with WETA visual effect company (which will be coming off of James Cameron's Avatar, and Peter Jackson's Halo films) to help with THE LIZARD/Spidey's effects.

 

[Catman]

Rather have Stan Winston do the Lizard than Rick Baker. Rick Baker keeps doing Eddie Murphy movies. Stan Winston knows giant lizards---he worked on "Jurassic Park" for Pete's sakes!

Winston would be great as well.

^ You mean Dylan Baker, right? That's the name of the actor that played Dr. Connors in the last two films.

We're talking about the person who will do the effects.

SM3 will without a doubt become the biggest grossing comic book film of all-time. Count on it.

Not domestically though. Spidey 3 needs 70 million dollars more just to tie with the second installment. It's not gonna happen.

However, I do agree that Spider-Man 4 should have a smaller budget of around a 150-160M tops.

There's no reason for it to cost more than that. Lizard isn't an expensive villain.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Just cut down on CGI, and spend more time looking at the SCRIPT!!!!

 

[Visionary]

Not domestically though. Spidey 3 needs 70 million dollars more just to tie with the second installment. It's not gonna happen.

I'm talking worldwide. It doesn't need to beat it domestically, to kick their asses worldwide, that's what I find most impressive. That's why the Harry Potter films are so huge, the overseas cume.

 

[Anti-Venom]

Less money? I guess we can forget about the Lizard. Kraven anyone? (cheaper)

 

[Catman]

Lizard is not an expensive villain. Someone like Rick Baker or Stan Winston can create a great Lizard suit.

 

[Mr Jide]

Cheaper budget I hear you say?? I've been screamin this since sm2 came out.I'd really like to know who Sony's accountants are...but anyway, Of course the studio should spend less on this movie. The 1st thing they need to do is recast. Get cheaper actors because when I see things like Tmags wanting $30million for the next movie, it makes me cringe. I don't care how much money sony are making, its no excuse for spending money wastefully, its foolish. They need to start spending money where its needed, better scripts, necessary CG and on a crew that gets the job done more effectively. The first thing I'd do if I were sony is to hire Tony Jaa as a stuntman/stunt director, he'll give us spider-man's movement straight from the comics at a cost that is cheaper than what sony are paying out now.

Also, if they're going to recycle MJ's screams from sm2, how about recycling the digital city of NY? The city used in sm2 and 3 are good enough to use for 4, just touch it up instead of recreating a whole new costly didgital city.

Kraven'll be the cheapest villain of all movies so far and a combo of cg and animatonix for lizard.

 

[UltimateJustin]

I agee with a tighter budget, and that the Lizard could be done with mostly makeup effects. The budget should just be modest, not weak, but its incorrect to think that every movie needs to one-up the previous installment. Perfect casting of Kraven could do enough to entertain, and the Connors/Lizard dynamic is enough grounds for a fine film. People will be satisfied if you deliver them a new, solid adventure, even if nothing tops the train sequence or there isnt nine villians. They just want another good movie.