This is a touchy subject...

[Chris Wallace]

Well I went to a school where if you were a certain race you pretty much had to act a certain way and like certain things to be "in the crowds". Luckily for me I never really got caught up in the stupid ****.

So did I, but thankfully I learned to think for myself.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I'm not sure what to say right now other than you guys are pretty much on the money with the whole spectrum of subjects at this point. I'll have some posts that say more about more specific stuff later.

 

[terry78]

^Yeah, what you said. I had to break it down for the less enlightened.

 

[Chris Wallace]

This threas is racist.

Have you been reading the posts or did you just skim through them?

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not sure what to say right now other than you guys are pretty much on the money with the whole spectrum of subjects at this point. I'll have some posts that say more about more specific stuff later.

Is that Leonardo footage new or old?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Thats from the new TMNT teaser trailer.

 

[terry78]

I'll wait patiently for a smart ass to sarcastically ask why there are no black TMNT.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Why would anyone call this thread racist? This has thus far been a well-thought out, even-handed & intellectually stimulating discussion of race-related topics.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Thats from the new TMNT teaser trailer.

I didn't know they were that far along.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am not really into the whole CGI Turtles cause to think they if they chose it over a live action turtle movie makes me sad.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Live action has been tried already. For me the jury's out.

 

[블라스]

Have you been reading the posts or did you just skim through them?

Reading.
That was just a very lame attempt at humor.
Gammy FTL

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I'll wait patiently for a smart ass to sarcastically ask why there are no black TMNT.

I dunno, there aren't many orange-skinned individuals in this world, making them minorities already.

Okay, to bring back the Little Man subject from the beginning--am I the only one that's sad that the Waynes' have dropped so low? I mean, Don't be a Menance in South Central while Drinking Your Juice in the Hood and the first two Scary Movies are, in my opinion at least, some of the best parodies out there. I mean, the Polterguist opening for Scary Movie 2 is probably my favorite opening sequence in a comedy. But Jesus--first White Chicks, and now this? Sad-ass sight, my friends.

 

[DACrowe]

Indeed the Waynes have sunk. The first and only Don't Be a Menace is one of the best of the low-brow parodies I've ever seen and Scary Movie was decent for a parody and Scary Movie 2 was okay....

but I don't have to see White Chicks to know it is one of the worst movies ever made nor will I have to see Little Man for that. Talk about losing any creativity you once had.

 

[The Sage]

DACrowe buddy, I think you mean Wayans. Unless the Waynes also own movies as well as Wayne Enterprises.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

DACrowe buddy, I think you mean Wayans. Unless the Waynes also own movies as well as Wayne Enterprises.

Unfortunately, I did it first.

I remember seeing The Boondocks being discussed in here--great show, man. Not just the MLK episode, either (because that's what that show will be most remembered for, most likely), but just seeing two kids fight each other with samurai swords and seeing Adam West as a PC lawyer is just beacons of brilliance. up:

 

[WormyT]

This is regarding my growing dissatisfaction with movies that have either predominantly black casts, and/or are made by black filmmakers.
What is wrong with these people? Do they really think this mindless tripe is entertaining? If so, it says a lot about my community-none of which is good.
Yesterday a co-worker asked me if I'd seen "Little Man", & when I said I had no interest in seeing it, she went into a rant about how I had a "responsibilty" to support all black films.

Your co-worker is incredibly ingnorant.

 

[KenK]

I like Heather Headley, Panic At The Disco, Syleena Johnson, Fall Out Boy, Prince, Eminem, Nickelback, Jill Scott, Michael Jackson, Dixie Chicks, Shanice Wilson, Anthony Hamilton, India Arie-music is music.

Fall-Out Boy?!?!? I can't believe i ever respected you!! (kidding!)

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I'm sorry, but I don't think a racial slur is just a racial slur. Cracker or redneck are insulting to be sure, but not to the extent of the n-word. That word has a malignant power to me, and when I was younger it was definitely a line you didn't cross. It was a word you fought over.

They're just words. PEOPLE give them power, not events.

And I tend to think people think racial slurs against their own race are worst than any other, regardless of what race they are.

Not to point out blacks in general, but their comedians are some of the most racist out there. So many black comedians make race the central subject in their material, and they say things about other races that whites would get into trouble about. Especially about Asians.

BTW, some people like Jeff Foxworthy also use redneck as a 'term of endearment' too. So this thing isn't unique to black people.

Didn't say it was. I think in the current view, no racial slurs against whites are taken seriously. You never hear about some white person being called a cracker or redneck in public by a famous person, but if the n-word is uttered, then we get a big headline story.

 

[DarKush]

They're just words. PEOPLE give them power, not events.

And I tend to think people think racial slurs against their own race are worst than any other, regardless of what race they are.

Not to point out blacks in general, but their comedians are some of the most racist out there. So many black comedians make race the central subject in their material, and they say things about other races that whites would get into trouble about. Especially about Asians.



Didn't say it was. I think in the current view, no racial slurs against whites are taken seriously. You never hear about some white person being called a cracker or redneck in public by a famous person, but if the n-word is uttered, then we get a big headline story.

Snake,

I might be wrong, but I feel that you are ignoring, making light, or are not aware of the history behind the n-word. It was one tool in an arsenal that was used to stigmatize and disenfranchise blacks in this country.

Using the n-word is a 'big deal' because of this history. Whereas whites have generally been in a position to not be defined by the label cracker or redneck for their entire lives, blacks have not. No matter what your level of education, pedigree, etc., back in the day all blacks could be considered or called the n-word, and were subject to the lower status that word symbolized. I don't think it was the same for whites, in the past or now.

Black comedians 'make' race a central part of their routines a lot of times, because race is a central part of their lives, and more than likely the lives of their usually predominately black audience members. Whereas for white comedians and white audiences it might not be something they have to think about much at all, blacks often aren't as fortunate.

Black comedians do skewer whites, Asians, Latinos, Arabs, and other blacks as well. Sometimes many take it too far, but I would posit that there are white comedians, Latinos, Asian, etc. that also make racial jokes. Especially since it is cool to not be "PC" anymore (ex. Howard Stern or that Mind of Mencia show). And there is definitely a history of anti-black racial humor in this country, i.e. minstrel shows and blackface. I also want to note that the 'target' of most black comedians social barbs are black people themselves.

I do agree that the labels against whites don't carry the same weight. But that is because whites are the most powerful racial/ethnic group in this country. A black person calling a white person a cracker is about the same as a gnat buzzing by the ear of an elephant.

With the n-word there is a whole subsequent history there to contend with of power relationships between the two races that isn't there with cracker. Now, among white people themselves there might be more of a class/cultural/regional issue there in the usage of such terms as redneck, cracker, or white trash.

 

[terry78]

A poor white guy would still never trade places with me, a rich black guy. - Chris Rock, though it's paraphrased

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Fall-Out Boy?!?!? I can't believe i ever respected you!! (kidding!)

Same--that AND Panic at the Disco.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I find "Dance, Dance" & "I Write Sins not Tragedies" to be very catchy.

 

[Chris Wallace]

They're just words. PEOPLE give them power, not events.

And I tend to think people think racial slurs against their own race are worst than any other, regardless of what race they are.

Not to point out blacks in general, but their comedians are some of the most racist out there. So many black comedians make race the central subject in their material, and they say things about other races that whites would get into trouble about. Especially about Asians.



Didn't say it was. I think in the current view, no racial slurs against whites are taken seriously. You never hear about some white person being called a cracker or redneck in public by a famous person, but if the n-word is uttered, then we get a big headline story.

For some reason I'm reminded of the rumor that on "Miami Vice", Phillip Michael Thomas often deliberately mispronounced "Crockett", having it come out "Cracker".

 

[Chris Wallace]

Snake,

I might be wrong, but I feel that you are ignoring, making light, or are not aware of the history behind the n-word. It was one tool in an arsenal that was used to stigmatize and disenfranchise blacks in this country.

Using the n-word is a 'big deal' because of this history. Whereas whites have generally been in a position to not be defined by the label cracker or redneck for their entire lives, blacks have not. No matter what your level of education, pedigree, etc., back in the day all blacks could be considered or called the n-word, and were subject to the lower status that word symbolized. I don't think it was the same for whites, in the past or now.

Black comedians 'make' race a central part of their routines a lot of times, because race is a central part of their lives, and more than likely the lives of their usually predominately black audience members. Whereas for white comedians and white audiences it might not be something they have to think about much at all, blacks often aren't as fortunate.

Black comedians do skewer whites, Asians, Latinos, Arabs, and other blacks as well. Sometimes many take it too far, but I would posit that there are white comedians, Latinos, Asian, etc. that also make racial jokes. Especially since it is cool to not be "PC" anymore (ex. Howard Stern or that Mind of Mencia show). And there is definitely a history of anti-black racial humor in this country, i.e. minstrel shows and blackface. I also want to note that the 'target' of most black comedians social barbs are black people themselves.

I do agree that the labels against whites don't carry the same weight. But that is because whites are the most powerful racial/ethnic group in this country. A black person calling a white person a cracker is about the same as a gnat buzzing by the ear of an elephant.

With the n-word there is a whole subsequent history there to contend with of power relationships between the two races that isn't there with cracker. Now, among white people themselves there might be more of a class/cultural/regional issue there in the usage of such terms as redneck, cracker, or white trash.

That's true; there haven't been all that many recorded instances of a black authority figure (cop, teacher, politician, what have you) referring to white subordinates as "Cracker", etc. as if it was their actual title.