This is a touchy subject...

[MaskedManJRK]

3-I don't see how portraying yourself as a ****/eye candy-again-would help your or your family's image.
Yes she does have freedom of choice, but it should be tempered w/wisdom. My main issue is that as a 40-year-old showbiz vet, she's sending out the wrong message. 20 years ago her statement was "Listen to me! I have something to say!" Now it's, "Look at me! I'm sexy!"

I don't mean her FAMILY'S, I meant HERS. And frankly, I would rather be known as a **** than in relation to a child molester.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

The hypocrisy in the R.Kelly/Michael Jackson situation can't be overlooked. But I think there's more than just race involved here. Why? Because it's not just an issue of how the law & the media handled them, but how the black community responded. We pretty much turned our backs on Michael as soon as the allegations hit the airwaves. But we continue to give R. Kelly superstar treatment. Despite the fact that he married Aaliyah while she was 15. Despite the fact that he refers to himself as "The Pied Piper of R & B" (Am I the only one who remembers that the Pied Piper led children astray with his music?) Despite the fact that there's a freakin' VIDEOTAPE! Despite the fact that all there was against MJ was hearsay; inconsistent hearsay at that. We turned on him because 1-he doesn't put out the kind of hip-hop flavored music that our community is so enamored with. 2-all we ever hear in the press is what an oddball he is. 3-many of us feel like he's turned his back on us, & 4-I find this one to be the biggest of all, HIS ACCUSER WAS MALE. Not just white, but male. R. Kelly is accused of basically the same crime, but against a female. Add to this the race issue, and the question of why these kids' parents sent them to his house in the first place.
It's all symptomatic of the mentality that is sweeping our community. Your entertainment is a reflection of your culture, & right now the African-American culture is in sorry shape.

I think I have an idea why--it may just be the Honky McManster trying to look into the culture from the looking glass, but bare with me.

I think R. Kelly still has support from the black community is, unlike Michael, he actually looks black. Also, unlike Michael, who hasn't done any decent albums since before I was even born, R. Kelly, who should be a musician first, has actually done good music before and after his allegations.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't mean her FAMILY'S, I meant HERS. And frankly, I would rather be known as a **** than in relation to a child molester.

Re-read that sentence; I said "her OR her family"

 

[Chris Wallace]

Also, unlike Michael, who hasn't done any decent albums since before I was even born, R. Kelly, who should be a musician first, has actually done good music before and after his allegations.

I strongly disagree there. But to each his own.
But whether you like someone's music should have no bearing on the opinion you form if they're charged with a crime. Where's Huey Freeman when you need him?
Oh, wait-nobody listened to him either.

 

[Red Mask]

Wait a minute--you're telling me that M. Night Shyamalan, in a movie that he also wrote and direct, had a role as a Jesus-esque' leader?

...

That is egotistical beyond all normal comprehension.

No, the character he played wasn't arrogant. He didn't even know his future until the girl, Story, told him. I didn't say he was exactly a Christ-figure. But unlike Superman he'll leave a legacy that has its own voice and can be embraced by the people. The people of Earth can't inherit Superman's powers. They won't inherit the Kryptonian technology. So after he's gone they'd be stuck with what they've had without him. Also, Superman doesn't say anything that hasn't been said before by wise people. The same goes for that one line in 'Superman Returns'. "Flying is still safer than driving" or something.

Bah! Hardly a Jesus moment there!

 

[The Hero]

Wait a minute--you're telling me that M. Night Shyamalan, in a movie that he also wrote and direct, had a role as a Jesus-esque' leader?

...

That is egotistical beyond all normal comprehension.

Spoiler

He even gives himself a tear-jerking death scene.

 

[Red Mask]

That happened more in "The Green Mile". White folks killed the Black Jesus.

 

[The Hero]

I wasn't talking about the Jesus thing,I was just pointing out how narcissistic it is to give your own character the most dramatic scene in the movie.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I think I have an idea why--it may just be the Honky McManster trying to look into the culture from the looking glass, but bare with me.

I think R. Kelly still has support from the black community is, unlike Michael, he actually looks black. Also, unlike Michael, who hasn't done any decent albums since before I was even born, R. Kelly, who should be a musician first, has actually done good music before and after his allegations.

I'm black and I support MJ, he's my favorite performer of all time and I'll probably always be behind him. And he didn't rape those kids

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm black and I support MJ, he's my favorite performer of all time and I'll probably always be behind him. And he didn't rape those kids

You probably would've liked my sig from back when he was first acquitted;
Greed is Bad. Lies are Dangerous. But the truth is Invincible.

 

[Red Mask]

I wasn't talking about the Jesus thing,I was just pointing out how narcissistic it is to give your own character the most dramatic scene in the movie.

He didnt get the most dramatic scene in the movie. The main character got that attention.

 

[WallCrawl]

He didnt get the most dramatic scene in the movie. The main character got that attention.

And he initially wanted to play that character.

 

[PowersOfMind]

^LOL, as much as some people want to deny it, if the girl that had been peed on was white, best believe they'd be calling for Robert to be lynched to the fullest extent. Kobe barely got out of his scrape. Mama always said them white wimmens are nothin' but trouble.

So very true and so very sad.

Now Micheal... there is a lot to be said about a man who wants to have sleepovers with little kids. I mean he's 40. Now everytime he's accused I dont jump on either bandwagon because you never really know for sure. But the fact of the way he behaves invites that kind of thing. Plus as a parent my 7 year old is not having a sleepover with a 40 year old man I dont care who the hell he is.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That is a very fair statement. Which brings me to another point; who the hell leaves their kids in the company of a complete stranger, a 43-year-old bachelor, who's been previously accused of child molestation? It makes me think they were trying to set him up.

 

[terry78]

So very true and so very sad.

Now Micheal... there is a lot to be said about a man who wants to have sleepovers with little kids. I mean he's 40. Now everytime he's accused I dont jump on either bandwagon because you never really know for sure. But the fact of the way he behaves invites that kind of thing. Plus as a parent my 7 year old is not having a sleepover with a 40 year old man I dont care who the hell he is.

To quote from Ice Cube's newest cut, The Game Lord:

Did you flip your wig
to let Michael Jackson babysit your kids?

That ***** old as hell
Need to throw the mutha****in' mama in jail

 

[PowersOfMind]

That is a very fair statement. Which brings me to another point; who the hell leaves their kids in the company of a complete stranger, a 43-year-old bachelor, who's been previously accused of child molestation? It makes me think they were trying to set him up.

Exactly and see thats why I cant say he's guilty. Maybe he is just a guy who wants to make a child's day even brighter or maybe that is just a cover and he is doing something sinister to these kids. I mean... I did a couple of case studies on child molesters and he does fit the profile of one. But that doesnt make him one. And of course the parents are just as much to blame.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I came to a realization about him that may trouble some comic fans. He calls himself "Peter Pan", but that's inaccurate. Pan never grew up physically. Michael never grew up emotionally. Pan flies. Michael likes to create the illusion that he can fly. Pan shut himself away from the adult world & lives in a fantasy land where he can be carefree & happy. Michael had the adult world thrust upon him too soon & now pretends to be happy & carefree when he's actually miserable. Now I ask you, is there a fictional character that you can think of who matches this description? Someone who has a childhood trauma that he can't cope with, & subsequently retreats into a self-created persona to escape his pain? Someone who sees similarly scarred or troubled children & tries to reach out to them, bringing them into his mansion & indulging their fantasies in an attempt to help them cope with their pain?

 

[Batmun]

Do you know how much I would love to see a Lord of Ring like movie full black people and/or minorities.

Holy crap, you're right. Down with Lord of the Ring and Nadia.

Oh and one last thing can our films please stop treating most white people like they're all super high class nerds who are scared of black people.

LOL

 

[Chris Wallace]

Do you mean "NARNIA"?

 

[Chris Wallace]

And when did Lex & Brainiac have that conversation?

 

[Batmun]

Do you mean "NARNIA"?

Doh! Yeah.

 

[Batmun]

And when did Lex & Brainiac have that conversation?

In Justice League Unlimited, episode "Divided we Fall"

 

[Chris Wallace]

Oh-I stopped watching Justice League after it turned into "Let's see if we can cram everybody in the frickin' DCU into a half-hour show."

 

[Red Mask]

And he initially wanted to play that character.

Which he didn't. A white dude got it instead.

 

[Red Mask]

I just watched an old episode of the DL show. When this white guy stated how R. Kelly urinated on that 16 year old this black lady looked at him like he was crazy. He described it accurately. He didn't say anything wrong!