Thor's costume

[Webhead2006]

thorstone i dont really see the need to make thor into a mutant.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Yeah,I enjoyed it very much!

 

[thorstone]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/01/2...e-than-fantasy-says-marvel-studios-president/

The direction that they are taking is metaphysical direction-- not magic. It's fifth and sixth dimensional science; maybe a little too deep, but it's science. Considering this, he may have a more advanced armor than Stark, or he may be an over man.

but we're not dealing with the mythological character

So there is no need for magic at any point.

 

[Gamma Burst]

It's like what I've said before.Asgardians will probably shown as an incredibly advanced so that We won't be able to distinguish their science from magic.

 

[lixdexia]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/01/2...e-than-fantasy-says-marvel-studios-president/

The direction that they are taking is metaphysical direction-- not magic. It's fifth and sixth dimensional science; maybe a little too deep, but it's science. Considering this, he may have a more advanced armor than Stark, or he may be an over man.

having read the article it says this...they're following the story from the comics. they're changing the story to make it scientific, they're saying it already IS science. thor is a god, end of story.

So there is no need for magic at any point.

this depends entirely on your definition of "magic", which i feel may be the hicup here.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i think they will be displayed in asgard that their abilities are via their science and tech in their world. But in midgard and the other realms their science will seem to be like magic to us mere mortals.

 

[thorstone]

It's like what I've said before.Asgardians will probably shown as an incredibly advanced so that We won't be able to distinguish their science from magic.

Terms like mutant and Asgardian are just pulp terms for posthumans and transhumans.

Asgardian = aryan

 

[Gamma Burst]

Well,I have read marvel comics for a long time and I don't remember anything about Asgardians being a pulp term for transhumans,as you've said.
They are a race of gods.The same could be said about the olympians,egyptian gods,etc.
They don't even share the same characteristics.

 

[Vartha]

the only place I've heard anything close to that is Earth X and this isn't about Earth X

 

[Anubis Raptor]

According to Feige, the film does a pretty good job of explaining how Thor's world connects to ours. I am sure they did a good job with this.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I'm also confident,Anubis.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm thinking the suit in the first film will resemble Night Owl in The Watchmen.



This isn't what I was talking about. 1. Captain America will no doubt receive a new suit from Stark, but it will be scale armor (with a potential flashy Stark paint job). 2. The only character with a power source to power a Stark suit is Thor. 3. The Iron Man films have established that all of Stark's villains are trying to emulate his exoskeleton suit-- I don't see the issue with one hero emulating his suit. 4. Just because Stark makes a suit for Thor, it doesn't mean it has to be a powered exoskeleton-- it could just mean a revision of his scaled armor.


I don't believe that they will take the super natural direction with this character. The super natural and science fiction are like oil and water. Thor should be a themed hero, not a literal god.


There are many potential scientific explanations for Thor's powers:

1. He is a posthuman who arrives from a Norse themed future; like Superman (except for the Norse part), who is perceived as being alien (as any God is alien to Earth) in origin.
2. He is a mutant. Any number of mutant/posthuman abilities could explain the true source of Thor's powers: he could be a technopath or mutant who can build anything (like Forge), he could have magnetism and lightning powers, he could have nearly invulnerable skin or cellular regeneration, he could have the ability to absorb power, etc.
3. He is a mutant who discovers the hammer (of speculative origin) or is led to the hammer during an expedition or is kidnapped by the American gov't and forced to show them how the hammer works (because they know about his powers over machines or power over metals).
4. He is a mutant who builds the hammer and uses it to power an exoskeleton suit (which he also builds)
5. He is a mutant who builds a scaled armor like Night Owl and uses his power of magnetism to fly, deflect bullets, lift otherwise heavy objects, control his hammer, etc.
6. The hammer's power source is inside of it and is the reason it perceived as heavy. I would potentially be some kind of super dense matter is inside, or a black hole.
7. And my favourite, Thor is a mentally divergent mutant who has delusions about being a Norse god in the 21st century (think Twelve Monkeys).

Thor as a mutant? Dear god no, just, no. There is too many ****ing mutants running around as is.

Thor is a god, simple as that. There is no reason why it can't work.

You can show the publics reaction to him in the film. They might not consider him a god. Perhaps they think he is just another superhuman but has gone crazy and actually believes he is a god or something.

Maybe even Stark and co could be skeptical at first. Like "Is this guy serious? He thinks he is a god?"

Then obviously Thor shows what he is all about. He proves he is divine.

 

[roach]

the point of the Avengers is that each of the characters brings something to the table.....and for those people who dont believe magic has a place in a sci fi movie..let me direct you to a little film called Star Wars...the Force is just a scientific name for magic

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and when they tried to explain it with midichlorians, fans generally hated it because magic is fun and magic, in the right context, can be cool. See: Harry Potter, Dracula, King Arthur, Lord of the Rings, and various other things. I don't care what thorstone wants to add onto the back-end of magic in his head to make it sensible to him; I want the movie to call the Asgardians gods and leave it at that. Start explaining them and they lose an essential element of their mystique. It's not about science vs. mysticism, it's about fiction and fun. Gods walking the Earth is a cool concept and it's part of what makes Thor unique among the superhero set. Bog it down with explanations for yourself all you want, but let the audience enjoy the mystique and splendor of magic and gods who walk among men on the screen.

 

[roach]

Yeah, and when they tried to explain it with midichlorians, fans generally hated it because magic is fun and magic, in the right context, can be cool. See: Harry Potter, Dracula, King Arthur, Lord of the Rings, and various other things. I don't care what thorstone wants to add onto the back-end of magic in his head to make it sensible to him; I want the movie to call the Asgardians gods and leave it at that. Start explaining them and they lose an essential element of their mystique. It's not about science vs. mysticism, it's about fiction and fun. Gods walking the Earth is a cool concept and it's part of what makes Thor unique among the superhero set. Bog it down with explanations for yourself all you want, but let the audience enjoy the mystique and splendor of magic and gods who walk among men on the screen.

Agreed. I see this as the by product of the current superhero movie mentality where everything has to be explained. No one called for explanations in Clash of the Titans...other than an explanation to that terrible story. So why do we have to explain Thor now??

 

[Webhead2006]

totally agree with you guys it should just be gods and leave it at that.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

Maybe even Stark and co could be skeptical at first. Like "Is this guy serious? He thinks he is a god?"

Then obviously Thor shows what he is all about. He proves he is divine.

Yes!

 

[Vartha]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/01/2...e-than-fantasy-says-marvel-studios-president/

The direction that they are taking is metaphysical direction-- not magic. It's fifth and sixth dimensional science; maybe a little too deep, but it's science. Considering this, he may have a more advanced armor than Stark, or he may be an over man.




So there is no need for magic at any point.

Fiege say they aren't going into the MYTHICAL Thor, that's a completely different Thor from Marvel's Thor.
Asgardians at Marvel are a cross of magic and Science, which is why Lee and Kirby's Thor and Asgard were more modern or furturistic looking.
There are in SOME ways a science to them but the energy they all come from in the Marvel universe IS magically based.
With Odin it's called the Odin Force, with the new Run it's the Thor Force, still a fledling energy because it is new to it's owner.
Odin has complete control over that power or energy. They call it magic, weather you view it as science or not you can't yet make things from air like Odin can with that energy.

 

[John Ryder]

So there is no need for magic at any point.

Exactly, what kind of weird audience would want that boring crap.

 

[thorstone]

I post the link with the guy saying, it's going to be science fiction, and you guys still try to argue he is going to be magical.

Denial is one of the five stages of grief.

the point of the Avengers is that each of the characters brings something to the table.....and for those people who dont believe magic has a place in a sci fi movie..let me direct you to a little film called Star Wars...the Force is just a scientific name for magic

The force is metaphysical-- it's not magic.

The force is energy-- life creates it. You are not solid, it is "the force" which gives you your solidity. And in Star Wars this force can be controlled by a minute percentage of the population who display abilities like telekinesis, clairvoyance, clairsentience, empathic abilities, and electrokinetic flares.

The force is deep science, something the lay person views as magic, but science fiction is full of things like overminds, Matrixes, 5th dimensions, posthumanism, and omega point theory.

 

[Vartha]

Who said it's NOT magic Thorstone? It says there's science yes,

"We're not doing the blow-the-dust-off-of-the-old-Norse-book-in-your-library 'Thor,'" said Feige. "And in the 'Thor' of the Marvel Universe, there's a race called the Asgardians. And we're linked through this Tree of Life that we're unaware of. It's real science, but we don't know about it yet. The 'Thor' movie is about teaching people that."

Magic IS a science, one we humans can't explain yet.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Feige only said they're not doing 'the original Norse Thor',but they're doing the Marvel version,who is mix of mythology and sci-fi,as we can see from the comics.
I don't see where he said Thor and asgardians are not gods.
So,I guess you're the one in denial here...
But if you want to go on with your fantasy of a cyborg-mutant-alien with a eletronic hammer Thor...

 

[Gamma Burst]

Who said it's NOT magic Thorstone? It says there's science yes,



Magic IS a science, one we humans can't explain yet.

Give up,Vartha.I offered this explanation before,but He ignores it.

 

[thorstone]

"Marvel executive spoke about "Thor" and its inclination towards science fiction rather than fantasy."

"we're linked through this Tree of Life that we're unaware of. It's real science, but we don't know about it yet. The 'Thor' movie is about teaching people that"


The serious science that he is talking about is fifth dimensional science, and the 'Thor' film will provide exposition explaining the science that the audience must be educated on, because it is true that the audience is ignorant to the origin of this character and his powers.

 

[roach]

From an interview:
So what’s the appeal of 'Thor,' Kenneth? "To work on a story about one of the immortals, Gods, extraordinary beings, inter-dimensional creatures," he enthused. He continued excitedly, "There’s science fiction and science fact and fantasy all woven into one. It’s based on Norse legends which Marvel sort of raided in a brilliant way."