Thunderbolts #111

[Red]

Cold...

Yeah, I didn't realise how harsh I was until I reread the review just then. Oh well, it's not like it didn't deserve it.

 

[supermarvelman]

Yea I guess, maybe if they had a different colorist, I'd like it more, but at the moment it's not my cup o tea, I'm still nowhere near dropping the book, I do enjoy it, but it's been a bit disappointing, story-wise and art-wise.

 

[CBK]

I think its stupid that just because bullseye said he's paralyzed that he now is..what is he a doctor? how many super human people has he shanked? Jack flag should be fine if Elis writes him paralyzed in future issues he's a *****e. but at least someone is writing about obscure cap characters. which im fine with.

 

[hippy fascist]

It needs to be said, because people will love Ellis and praise him and its so annoying.

Ellis cannot write established characters.

He just can't. Whenever he does, its just atrocious, just look at the utter raping of every character involved in Nextwave as a prime example.

Agreed, ellis own material is some of the best writing in comics but he needs to have created the character to get inside their mind.

Transmet and the authority are awesome so I think he should stick to his own ideas.

He's like the antesthesis of millar. Millar is all big set pieces and action movie quips whereas Ellis is more focussed on characters and how they interact. At least that's the way i saw it anyway. Just look at the transition from Ellis to Millar in the authority. Gold to so so inside of 3 issues

I ****ing hate frank quitely

 

[Kool-Aid]

It makes me think of how he messed up X-Man and X-Force back during the Counter X days.

What issue numbers did he do of those?

 

[Kool-Aid]

authority are awesome so I think he should stick to his own ideas.

Authority was with already established chararters.

 

[hippy fascist]

Authority was with already established chararters.

established characters created by ellis

 

[Kool-Aid]

Fu(K I just $h!t myself. Damnit!! Awe man it went on my new kicks.

 

[Harlekin]

It works because Osborn’s manipulation of Songbird is done so well. Norman takes away everything, from her position to her self-respect, and in he return gives her an offer she has no choice but to accept.

Except the real Songbird probably would've *****slapped him, and told him to **** off. He has absolutely no hold over her, following continuity. She's registered and pardonned, and is all about redemption, not about wanting a new identity. Stupid Ellis.

I think its stupid that just because bullseye said he's paralyzed that he now is..what is he a doctor? how many super human people has he shanked? Jack flag should be fine if Elis writes him paralyzed in future issues he's a *****e. but at least someone is writing about obscure cap characters. which im fine with.

I think Bullseye is enough of a professional assassin that he'll know how to paralyse someone.

And how many books like this are there?

I SUICIDE SQUAD have SUICIDE SQUAD no SUICIDE SQUAD idea SUICIDE SQUAD.

 

[gildea]

Oh, we got it, we just didn't think it was funny.

Using established characters ruined it for me because I couldn't see past the huge mischaracterization which was required for the story to work.

If resting your argument on characterisation then yes you are missing the point.

It's really that simple.

If you don't find it funny or enjoyable thats fair enough, everyone likes different things, but invoking the characterisation argument is irrelevant.

The whole we missed the point thing is just another attempt to excuse his blatant mischaracterization of established characters.

Not at all. Referring to that line of thought in nextwave is simple common sense.
If he is mischaracterising people in thunderbolts then it's a completely different kettle of fish as it's obviously set solidly incontinuity.

 

[Harlekin]

If resting your argument on characterisation then yes you are missing the point.

It's really that simple.

If you don't find it funny or enjoyable thats fair enough, everyone likes different things, but invoking the characterisation argument is irrelevant.

Which is bull. Let's not forget that this is an opinion. I got the subtext, I got the metatext, I got it all, but I couldn't enjoy because it used established characters whose characterization was mangled in favour of the story.

 

[gildea]

Which is bull. Let's not forget that this is an opinion. I got the subtext, I got the metatext, I got it all, but I couldn't enjoy because it used established characters whose characterization was mangled in favour of the story.

Opinion or not this is akin to criticizing a car mechanic who can't fix your fridge when it needs fixing.

This isn't about subtext or metatext this is about criticizing someone for failing to do something that they weren't even trying to achieve. You don't like the series? Fine, as you say thats your opinion, but when you criticise someone for something they're not trying to do then you are missing the point, pretty much by definition.

In my opinion (not having a go but whilst I've got my soapbox out) when people start getting so antsy over the treatment of characters in what is obviously a spoof series then comics have disappeared so far up themselves we're in serious danger of becoming that horrible cliche of comic fans we see in the simpsons.

 

[cerealkiller182]

In my opinion (not having a go but whilst I've got my soapbox out) when people start getting so antsy over the treatment of characters in what is obviously a spoof series then comics have disappeared so far up themselves we're in serious danger of becoming that horrible cliche of comic fans we see in the simpsons.

Amen to that! Goes the same for the "Whose the hottest/Who would you date" threads too.

 

[Darthphere]

In my opinion (not having a go but whilst I've got my soapbox out) when people start getting so antsy over the treatment of characters in what is obviously a spoof series then comics have disappeared so far up themselves we're in serious danger of becoming that horrible cliche of comic fans we see in the simpsons.

Spoof series have been done time and time again, all while characters have stayed within their established characterizations. GLA is a prime example of this, so there goes another of the defenses for Nextwave.

 

[JewishHobbit]

What issue numbers did he do of those?

I forget the exact issue numbers. It was right before each title ended (as well as Generation X). The books suddenly went darker and was labeled "Counter X". X-Man went from the Nate Grey we knew to some all powerful shaman that could travel worlds and set things right, nothing like what he was before (more like Dr. Strange). X-Force went from X-team to X-Files (killing innocent people in terrorist strikes?!). Generation X was the only one that wasn't half bad. I don't know if he wrote them until the end or if he just relaunched them in the Counter X label, but either way, he ruined the two books for me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Shining Force rules.

Spoof series have been done time and time again, all while characters have stayed within their established characterizations. GLA is a prime example of this, so there goes another of the defenses for Nextwave.

Well, the GLA were always a spoof team, so I don't think that's a good comparison. She-Hulk, however, is. Slott spoofs various aspects of the comic industry, fandom, the Marvel world, etc., but he still manages to reconcile his She-Hulk with the established characterization we're all familiar with. In the cases where he does change characters, like the Awesome Android, he gives us a plausible explanation for how the character changed. X-51's random jump from being a fairly serious character who embraced his humanity to an organic-hating ****** in Nextwave didn't do either.

 

[Tropico]

NExtwave is teh awesome!!!up:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

lolz ur dum.

 

[Darthphere]

Shining Force rules.

Well, the GLA were always a spoof team, so I don't think that's a good comparison. She-Hulk, however, is. Slott spoofs various aspects of the comic industry, fandom, the Marvel world, etc., but he still manages to reconcile his She-Hulk with the established characterization we're all familiar with. In the cases where he does change characters, like the Awesome Android, he gives us a plausible explanation for how the character changed. X-51's random jump from being a fairly serious character who embraced his humanity to an organic-hating ****** in Nextwave didn't do either.

True, but didnt you know, we just didnt get it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, Nextwave's way too smart for me. I'm gonna go kill myself now.

 

[Tropico]

lolz ur dum.

Don't make fun of me because I'm from a different country, you racist bastard!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll make fun of you however I want, you dirty Spanishan.

 

[Tropico]

Que las hormigas te coman los güevos, Corp! I'm tired of telling you it's Spanishian, now hoos dum?!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, simmer down, dude.

Oh, sorry, let me translate that: 'Ey! Quitchoo hawhynin', meng!

Also, I don't know what that crazy nonsense in your first sentence means. Quit speaking in tongues! Ya gotta talk Amarr'cun!

 

[Tropico]

Roll the rrrrr. Rrrrrrr! Sexy. Rrrrrrrr. Like Ricardo Montalban.