Time for stricter gun legislation in the US yet??

[Spider-Bite]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not...

But the VA Tech shooter was here on a foreign visa. It was illegal for him to possess a gun...and yet he had one. Look at how good the ban did.

as someone else mentioned he lived here since he was 8, and there was no ban in that state. no three day waiting period. no background check. no phych evaluation. none of that.

he walked into a store, and walked out with a gun five minutes later. he bought it the day of the shooting.

 

[Mr Kris]

I'm glad some people were able to get something out of my last post... FYI, I'm not an "NRA plant". Although I don't have many posts, it's just because I read these forums more than I post to them. I did participate in a fan art contest though and colored in someone else's drawing of The Flash a while back....

My last post with all the statistics in it was just a starting point for anyone interested in doing further research. Spider-Bite was very correct in pointing out some of the flaws of surveys and statistics, and you'll find that is the case for both "pro-gun" and "anti-gun" statistics. (Though the statistics themselves can't be pro- or anti-, the manner in which they're presented certainly can be). I can say with a good deal of certainty though that if anyone were to delve deeper, he/she would find that the general media portrayal of the gun debate is tainted.

 

[Motown Marvel]

as someone else mentioned he lived here since he was 8, and there was no ban in that state. no three day waiting period. no background check. no phych evaluation. none of that.

he walked into a store, and walked out with a gun five minutes later. he bought it the day of the shooting.

im pretty sure they said he bought the guns 5 weeks before the shooting, not the day of. especially considering the first shooting was at 7:30am, what kind of gun store is open that early?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I'm glad some people were able to get something out of my last post... FYI, I'm not an "NRA plant". Although I don't have many posts, it's just because I read these forums more than I post to them. I did participate in a fan art contest though and colored in someone else's drawing of The Flash a while back.....

mmmm.....okay.
I...guess you're nerdy enough to discuss.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I know someone else already made the point... lemme just reiterate this... GUN CONTROL WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM... the problem is identifying toubled young adults... liberal laws and solutions can't solve everything... we need to develop more youth programs that teach kids and nurture their social and moral development at a young age... I don't know where the money should come from... but programs need to be established everywhere... from suburbs to inner cities... the gun laws will never change... people have right to own guns... more stricter laws may be needed but one can also accumulate weapons in time... we spend out money on enough crap already... maybe instead of burning a half a trillion dollars every year on military budget and Iraq we need to spend it eslewhere... its not like an alien invasion is eminent and we need the latest weapons technolgy to ward them off... our money just goes to waste with this sort of stuff.

 

[StorminNorman]

as someone else mentioned he lived here since he was 8, and there was no ban in that state. no three day waiting period. no background check. no phych evaluation. none of that.

he walked into a store, and walked out with a gun five minutes later. he bought it the day of the shooting.

According to the gun salesperson, he bought it at least 30 days before hand, and produced a Green Card.

 

[Kritish]

then you get into dangerous territory of inequality based on birth. You can't have a gun because your foreign can be a form of discrimination. Then what happens if they become a US citizen- do they automatically have the right to a gun? Not all gunmen are foreign. The NRA argues self protection, does that mean foreigners don't have the right to protect themselves?

I’ve got a better idea than keeping guns away from foreigners, let’s just keep foreigners out of the country in general. Oh wait, wrong thread.

 

[terry78]

The irony of having so many freedoms is that people that abuse freedom have just as much right to as the ones that don't.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I’ve got a better idea than keeping guns away from foreigners, let’s just keep foreigners out of the country in general. Oh wait, wrong thread.

we are foreigners. the only natives are the native americans.

and what have you got against foreigners? let me guess, anybody born in america is a better person than anybody who isn't?

 

[Spider-Bite]

According to the gun salesperson, he bought it at least 30 days before hand, and produced a Green Card.

oh I thought they said he bought it that day.

 

[The Lizard]

So I realized that I've never had a photo taken of me holding guns before, so I grabbed a couple and took this baby here:

Yeah! Aren't I a f***in' badass? Aren't you scared and respectful of me now? I'm going to right all the injustices that have been heaped upon me!



...or maybe I'm just a dork holding guns...

 

[Spider-Bite]

So I realized that I've never had a photo taken of me holding guns before, so I grabbed a couple and took this baby here:

Yeah! Aren't I a f***in' badass? Aren't you scared and respectful of me now? I'm going to right all the injustices that have been heaped upon me!



...or maybe I'm just a dork holding guns...

Is that really you?

 

[Kritish]

we are foreigners. the only natives are the native americans.

and what have you got against foreigners? let me guess, anybody born in america is a better person than anybody who isn't?

Oh no, there’s nothing wrong with Polish or Mexicans or whatever. I just don’t we need anymore day laborers around east LA. That seems to be the only immigrant that we have over here these days.
Fine me a few Polish computer scientists or Mexican professors that want to come over here and I’ll be all for it. But like I said before, different debate.

 

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Fuzzy!!!!! Man it's been awhile. Where you been? You doing OK? t:

Whoa, I didn't even look in here again. I'm well, even though life his hectic and/or boring at times. You?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The guy who did the shooting was put in a psychiatric facility and they let him out and said that he was safe to be released. So much for the veracity and reliability of psych evaluations. This guy was reported as unstable, committed and still got turned loose and wasn't flagged as a risk.

I learned to shoot at the age of 8 and I am almost 51 now, that is over 42 years that my family and I have owned guns. I have known people who owned guns all my life and I have never known one person involved in an accidental shooting or a deliberate one for that matter. I have however on two occasions picked up a gun to defend myself and others. The first time when I was 9 years old to protect myself and 3 other kids. Shootings are extremely rare. On the lists of things that they keep statistics on that harm and kill people, guns are near the bottom of the list. Another board dedicated to another topic had a post that quoted government agencies on statistics for both the accidental shootings as well as accidental deaths by doctors. The statistics were 700,000 doctors and 120,000 accidental deaths vs 80 million gun owners and 1500 deaths. Assuming all the figures and math are accurate, and I freely admit I have been too busy and too lazy to verify it, it comes out to the fact that you are 9,000x more likely too be killed by a doctor than a gun owner. A few years ago someone did a statistical study that showed that police officers were more likely to commit gun crimes than people with concealed carry permits. And a last little fact to think about, the U.S. Supreme Court has said that it is not the job of the police to protect people. Their job is too protect society as a whole from large scale disturbances such as riots and such, not to protect individuals.

 

[Kritish]

Like I said, I don’t think that getting rid of guns in general is the answer. But maybe there should me a new federal law that makes civilians have to get a psych exam before you can get hand guns. Along with the fact that I think no citizen needs to own an AK-47 or an Uzi.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Like I said according to the news this guy had an evaluation after they were alerted and it did no good. Psych evaluations are essentially worthless. The psychologist and psychiatrists have a higher incidence of mental problems than than the average person.

 

[Kritish]

Like I said according to the news this guy had an evaluation after they were alerted and it did no good. Psych evaluations are essentially worthless. The psychologist and psychiatrists have a higher incidence of mental problems than than the average person.

How’s the NRA membership working for you? The truth is that you have too much emotion embedded in this topic. Crazy people don’t have any business with any form of fire arms while no one except the police and military needs to own a P90.

 

[Abaddon]

wasn't he in a mental insitution or at least referred to one?

 

[terry78]

Is that really you?

I hope not, my ass is ready to call the bureau after viewing that pic.

 

[Kritish]

Also, there’s no reason what so ever to let people buy guns from gun stores. It’s too easy for a criminal to buy a gun with no back ground check.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

How’s the NRA membership working for you? The truth is that you have too much emotion embedded in this topic. Crazy people don’t have any business with any form of fire arms while no one except the police and military needs to own a P90.

You can't own automatic weapons in the US if you're a civilian.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Given the tragic event of at least 30 dead in Virginia, shot dead at a University, is it time for stricter gun legislation, possibly an all out ban on certain fire arms?

I'm watching a feed from BBC news, and this mayor woman was talking about how everytime her and other people try to push through was she considers to be light legislation, the NRA screams and rants that she's trying to take away their guns.

But I think gun legislation is the key. At the very least, a person should be shown to be mentally sound before they buy a gun. And NO ONE needs automatic weapons.

What do you think?

There are far deeper rooted problems in this society that have a greater impact on people buying weapons or obtaining them and utilizing them for such events as the one that happend the other day.

Do you really think that better gun legislation is the key? How the hell do the people in this country spend billions of dollars on illegal drugs every year?

It's not hard to obtain them if there is a demand for them. Plus do you really think the Government wants to stop us from getting them? If you do then I am sorry but you are naive. Poloticians recieve plenty of money from arms manufactures and won't do anything drastic like limit the amount of arms they produce or sell.

Sorry but the poloticians in this country are not out for our best intersts and even if they start out that way they are changed along the way by having to play the game in order to become elected. They are only out for lining their wallets with more money and the safety of their own children. Not ours.

 

[Assassin]

It should be made manditory for all girls to have one of their legs replaced with an M-16. No more Rapes.

 

[kainedamo]

Is it true that the chinese guy whats his name was bullied?