Timestorm 2009-2099

[Alex Summers]

Where's Spider-man's cape? That was something I always kinda liked about the 2099 costume.

 

[Vanguard07]

Really? you liked a cape on someone who relies on being elusive and agile?
Capes pretty much dont make any sense ever with the exception of those cases where it's a regal thing/formal or ceremonial garb.

They especially dont make sense on someone like Spiderman.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The web cape looked pretty cool on Spider-Man 2099. Some artists overdid it a bit, though.

 

[Vanguard07]

i'm not saying they always look stupid. I'm just saying that people who expect to get into fights or be in some form of danger generally shouldnt wear them.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Incredibles has forever tainted the cape.

 

[venom892]

Cover and interiror art look good.I've alwalys loved the 2099 Design of Spidey's costume.If anything I'll get the trade when it comes out.

 

[bryanss3]

Speaking of the trade I'm there is a Spider-man 2099 trade collecting issue 1-10 of Spider-man 2009 coming out in April

 

[spiderfan970]

I posted this in the Spider-Man section, but I'll post it here too. They're interviewing Peter David about Spider-Man 2099 at Newsarama. I figured it fit here well enough and it would explain to that guy up there why it's cool that Spider-Man 2099 has the "web cape."

In 1992, with Spider-Man celebrating his 40th anniversary, Marvel took a look into the future of everybody’s favorite webslinger. Spider-Man 2099, launched that summer, kicked off a new line of books set in the future of the Marvel Universe, where corporations ruled all, cars could fly, and even the likes of Dr. Doom seemed like a ray of hope.
Spider-Man 2099, the flagship of this line, has enjoyed a following that has long outlived the 2099 books. Created by Peter David and Rick Leonardi, it told of Miguel O’Hara, a scientist for the massive corporation Alchemax, who was fused with a spider in a genetic experiment that would have done David Cronenberg proud. Armed with distinctly different variations on the classic spider-powers, Miguel became a force for good in this future world, battling both corporate forces and foes who sometimes darkly reflected Peter Parker’s modern-day enemies.
The firing of line editor Joey Cavalieri led to a mass exodus of 2099 talent, including David, Leonardi, and such high-profile creators as Warren Ellis. The line continued with the short-lived series 2099: World of Tomorrow, before the loose ends were tied up in the notoriously hard-to-find 2099: Manifest Destiny.
However, 2099 is the idea that wouldn’t die. Since its cancelation, Spider-Man 2099 has appeared as several action figures, in video games, and as a regular in Exiles. The line itself has been revived a few times, in the Marvel Knights 2099 event spearheaded by Robert Kirkman a few years back, and in the forthcoming Timestorm by Brian Reed and Eric Battle.
As part of the latest revival, Marvel is bringing some of the 2099 books back into print, starting with a collection of Spider-Man 2099 in April. We took this opportunity to go back to the future with Peter David and look back at what remains one of his best-remembered works. In the process, we not only got a great insight into the stories and characters of 2099, but also into the process of creating a superhero book.
In the first of a three-part series, we talk with David about making Miguel O’Hara different from Peter Parker, his oddball family tree, and sci-fi swear words. It’s Peter David with everything you ever wanted to know about Spider-Man 2099, but were afraid to ask.

Newsarama: Peter, how do you feel about seeing Spider-Man 2099 back in print?

Peter David: Well, it’s a real nostalgia trip. I mean, who knew? I had no idea that there so much support or interest for the character that people would want to see a collection of those stories, or that Marvel would want to do a trade collection of them. You don’t always have an idea of what people want to see – but there must be some demand for it, because Marvel’s doing it!

NRAMA: How do you personally rank the book among your projects, in terms of the creative experience and fan response?

PAD: The entire experience of working on the 2099 universe is one of my most pleasant memories of working on a creative endeavor. Sitting in a room with a bunch of very talented people, crafting a new universe – not to be confused with crafting the New Universe.
I still remember like yesterday sitting in the conference room with Rick Leonardi. We’d broken into all our little groups, and I was describing what I wanted to see for Spider Man’s costume, and Rick was sitting there and designing it to my specifications. He designed the chest emblem, and the way it reached around, and the webbing that was on the back of the costume. That all came out of that conversation, of Rick and me sitting there bouncing ideas off of each other.
It was a very stimulating creative endeavor. Not one that you typically get to do as a writer, because unless you’re working on a television show--where everyone’s in a room together practically every day, bouncing ideas off each other--writing often results in a great deal of solitude.

NRAMA: I’d like to get into the origins of the book. How did you first come to work on Spider-Man 2099?

PAD: I was one of a number of writers who were invited to pitch an idea for Spider-Man 2099. Marvel had decided they were going to do the 2099 line, and we were given some basic parameters of what the world would be like – some sketchy stuff, such as that it was going to be the corporations who were running the world, which when it boils down, isn’t all that different from the world we know now.
So we were asked to pitch an idea for Spider-Man 2099 in this world that had been sketched out. It was maybe a page worth of information as to what this world was going to be like. And so, I pitched an outline for the Spider-Man of 2099, as did several other writers. I created the character of Miguel O’Hara, came up with the origin, that sort of thing.
I pitched this, and they came back to me, and Joey Cavalieri said, “We read your pitch for Spider-Man 2099, and we’re interested in you writing this.” And I was paid a bonus – I don’t remember how much, but not a ton, probably—adjusted for inflation--comparable to what Siegel and Schuster got for Superman – which was fine because Marvel had created the character of Spider-Man 2099, I had just come in and fleshed out the background. But anyway, I said “Sure, this sounds like fun,” and I got the bonus and the writing assignment.
And I got to write the book that essentially launched the entire 2099 universe.

NRAMA: How much did you get to flesh out in terms of the overall universe?

PAD: All the stuff about Miguel, I came up with – all the powers, the background, the personality aspects, that was me. In terms of building up the world itself...1) that was years ago, and I didn’t know there was going to be a quiz. (laughs) 2) Much of what made up the universe resulted from group meetings and get-togethers and ideas batting back and forth. I don’t know.
For instance, I think – I think – I was the one who came up with the notion that there was an underbelly to New York, that the older city had been built over, but that there were still people living in the lower part. I think I came up with that, but I can’t be absolutely sure.

NRAMA: I was curious about the mock-swear-word “shock,” because that sounds like something you’d come up with...

PAD: I don’t think that was me. I think that came out of the meetings. And the concept of “shock” was a shortening of “future shock.” If it was set in the future, you would say “shock.” I don’t know if it was particularly brilliant or clever, but that’s where it came from. But if you want to credit it to me, be my guest!

NRAMA: That was my first sci-fi swear word. It was the “frak” of its day for me. Of course, then I found Red Dwarf, and it was all “smeg.”

PAD: It beat the hell out of “felgercarb,” if you remember that one.

NRAMA: (laughs) I do. I’d like to talk about the development of the character of Miguel O’Hara. You’ve said elsewhere that you wanted him to be the reverse of Peter Parker.

PAD: Pretty much every place where Stan (Lee) zigged, I zagged. Which is not to say that Stan did it wrong – quite the contrary. But my feeling was, if we’re going to make him a character unique unto himself, then we have to take all the choices that Stan Lee made with the original Spider-Man, and do the exact opposite.
So whereas Peter Parker is a high school student, Miguel is a fully-realized adult working in a laboratory. Whereas Peter was shy and reticent and didn’t know how to talk to girls but talky and outgoing as Spider-Man, Miguel O’Hara was a fully-confident wiseacre with a fiancée...and as Spider-Man, relatively mute.
If you look at Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2099, he didn’t talk all that much. My attitude was that he was simply concentrating. Whereas Peter Parker was always making wisecracks to keep himself steady, Miguel was absolutely dead silent, because he was focusing on what he had to do.

NRAMA: You also predicted some of the evolutions of Spider-Man’s abilities, doing more of a Jeff Goldblum-in-The Fly-type origin...

PAD: Yeah, I couldn’t come up with any reasonable reason why he would have mechanical web shooters. I tried. And then I thought, you know, “Why can’t he develop spinnerets? As long as I don’t have webs shooting out of his ass...” So I put the spinnerets in his arms.
By the same token, to have him do something other than swinging around town on web lines, I gave him the glider material on his back, because I was reading up on spiders, and I was fascinated by the concept of parachute spiders who essentially floated around on the air. So I said, “Why not give him a costume that lets him float through the air on air currents?” So generally, he ricocheted off walls and floated, rather than swinging from one building to the next.

NRAMA: You mentioned earlier how you and Rick developed the costume together. What was the inspiration for that design?

PAD: The inspiration for the costume came from Miguel’s background. When I decided to make him of mixed heritage, I started doing research on both Mexicans and the Irish. In my research, I came across the entire festival of the Day of the Dead, and I thought, “That’s perfect!”
In my mind, I wanted a reasonable reason for him to have a costume with a death’s head skull on it. I liked that image; I liked the idea of a death’s head skull with spider legs coming out of it. It was like taking the black widow image to the next level. And the notion of death being associated with the Day of the Dead festival helped everything fall into place. Plus it give him a reasonable rationale for having a costume lying around!
The concept that he could just sit there and sew up a costume also didn’t make a whole lot of sense. So why couldn’t it be that he had a costume that he could throw on at a moment’s notice when he wanted to create another identity for himself.? When all those elements came together with the Mexican Day of the Dead, I went with it. Like I said, it was a combination of all these things put together.
An interesting thing is that a year after the book came out, we were riding the Mexican ride at Epcot Center at Disney World. It was the first time we’d ridden it, and there on the screen was a guy jumping around in a costume that was almost a dead ringer for the costume of Spider-Man 2099! So I went, “Okay, I did get it right!”

NRAMA: You brought up Miguel’s mixed heritage. Granted, that’s something you see a lot in the everyday world, but it hadn’t been done often in comics, particularly superhero books, at that point in time.

PAD: Nope. Again, we’re talking about the culture of a world 100 years in the future. I thought that it made sense to underscore the mixed-race heritage, which becomes more and more and more prevalent each year. So I wanted to have a character with mixed heritage, and the way to do that was to give him a name that was as mixed as could possibly be.
Plus, you know, you’re looking for names that hadn’t been used that much, and I don’t think there had ever been a hero named “Miguel” before. And to a certain degree, I based the name on (actor) Miguel Ferrer.

NRAMA: I did not know this, but it makes sense – you two are friends.

PAD: I actually asked him, and he said, “Okay!” He loved the idea of having a superhero named after him. Not only that, but the other thing I liked about the name “Miguel” was that it was flexible, because there were different ways that people could address him that said something about their relationship to him.
For example, his mother addressed him as “Miguel.” His fiancé addressed him as Miguel. His brother called him “Miggy.” And his boss, Tyler Stone, always called him “Mike,” which is the Hispanic-to-English version, if you will. And it always drove Miguel nuts, and underscored the divide between Tyler Stone and Miguel.
The funny thing is, when I introduced his brother calling him “Miggy,” I received a little bit of flack on that from Joey Cavalieri, because he said “Miggy” was a ridiculous nickname for “Miguel.” And I told him that that was Miguel Ferrer’s nickname – his friends, including myself, all call him “Miggy.” So...it turned out Joey was watching a TV show, and there was a character named “Miguel,” and another character called him “Miggy,” and Joey was finally convinced.

NRAMA: That brings us into the supporting cast. Miguel had...one of the more interesting families in comics. Let’s start with his brother, Gabriel, who was almost more of the kind of person you’d expect to become Spider-Man.

PAD: That’s exactly it. I liked the idea of giving him a brother because, again, zigging where Stan zagged. Peter Parker had pretty much nobody. There was Aunt May, you know, but she was very frail, and when Spider-Man glanced her way, she looked like she was about to go into cardiac arrest.
I liked the idea of Gabe being introduced very early on as a confidant for Miguel, who would find out in very short order that he was Spider-Man. And he found out pretty damn quick, if I recall. The audience knew that he was in on it pretty quickly. Again, it was just a matter of looking at what had already been done, then doing something that was contrary to it.
So as opposed to Peter Parker, who would be sitting there alone every issue with no one to talk to, no one to unburden himself to, Miguel has a brother who has his own set of problems and his own difficulties, but he’s someone Miguel can talk to about Spider-Man and what’s going on in his own life.

NRAMA: And of course there was Gabe and Miguel’s mother, who...talk about zigging where Stan zagged.

PAD: Conchata, right. Well, my feeling was that he had to get the fiery Mexican disposition from somewhere. I wanted there to be a female presence in his life, and there was no reason his mother shouldn’t be in his life. And what I liked about his mother was that she was a total nutcase. To a certain degree, even though she was Mexican, I wrote her as a Jewish mother. What was fun about Conchata was that she was a strong woman with a very strong personality, and she had no problem with Spider-Man, as opposed to her son.
In fact, the reason he didn’t tell her he was Spider-Man was because she’d start telling him everything Spider-Man needs to do – “Oh no, you mustn’t do this, you should do this.” She wouldn’t have a heart attack, she’d be going, “This is what Spider-Man should be doing today, this is what he should be involved with.”

NRAMA: Continuing with the supporting cast, who did you ultimately prefer as the woman for Miguel – Dana or Xina?

PAD: You know, I actually liked Xina. She was named after a girl I knew in high school, whose name was likewise Xina. I had nothing against Dana, it wasn’t a matter of Xina being more qualified for Miguel, but she seemed more able to keep up with him.

SPOILERS FOR THOSE READING ONLY THE TRADES

NRAMA: That’s interesting, because I remember reading the issue where Dana dies, and thinking that it was the duller, Gwen Stacy-type character who died, leaving Spider-Man to...well, the Mary Jane-type character.

PAD: Yeah. I wasn’t really thinking about it consciously. I’d actually toyed with the idea of Miguel eventually marrying Dana, but the more time I spent with Xina, the more I liked her. And I felt like I killed off Dana in order to keep Xina around, but in the end, it just came down to a matter of dramatic necessity. The dynamic between the three of them felt like it had to come down to something huge, and as a result, I knocked off Dana. If nothing else, I thought knocking off Dana would have more of an emotional impact on Miguel than knocking off Xina would.

Next: Who was the Goblin 2099? Who was the Net Prophet? What was it like teaming Spider-Man 2099 up with Peter Parker...and who did he almost team up with?
Spider-Man 2099 Volume One ships in April.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Awesome, Spider-Man 2099 trades? I gotta get those.

 

[spiderfan970]

New article about Timestorm, I didn't feel like posting the pictures this time. Check out the link if you'd like to see them, there's even some page art!

EDIT: I'd like to add that I'm really nervous about Miguel being a teenager...I don't think they needed to change his character at all.

In 1992, Marvel comics gave readers a look at a possible future version of the Marvel Universe with their 2099 line of comics. The imprint's storylines took place in a dark dystopian future world where new incarnations of classic Marvel characters like Spider-Man, The X-Men, and the Punisher did their best to bring justice to a world ruled by corrupt mega-corporations. Due to flagging sales the once popular line came to an end in 1999, but the characters and concepts of the line have been revisited several times since then in a number of Marvel titles.
This April, the world of 2099 lives again when “Timestorm 2009/2099,” a four issue mini-series by writer Brian Reed and artist Eric Battle, launches. But as Dylan once said, “The times, they are a-changin'.” CBR News spoke with Reed about the series, which will see characters from the present day Marvel U come face to face with new, but distinctly familiar, versions of characters from the 2099 era.
When Reed accepted the “Timestorm” assignment, he sat down and spent an entire week researching the history of the 2099 universe. “I read everything from the first issue of ‘Spider-Man 2099’ to the final issue of the line where it went a thousand years into the future. I came back to my editor Bill Rosemann and said, ‘What this needs is the ‘New Universal’ [the mini-series where writer Warren Ellis re-introduced readers to characters and ideas from Marvel’s “New Universe”] treatment.’ It’s a really solid concept that I don’t think has aged well enough for us to just pull it off the shelf and put it back the way it was,” Reed told CBR News. “I got instant approval from him and Tom Brevoort to do just that, and what I’ve really done is study what Warren Ellis did with ‘New Universal’ and what Brian Bendis did with ‘Ultimate Spider-Man.’ There were good lessons there and I wanted to apply them to ‘2099.’
Those lessons lead to Reed updating the world of 2099 for “Timestorm” instead of radically changing it. “Corporations are still a big part of everything. Privacy is 'now,' too,” the writer explained. “Right now, we voluntarily give up so much of our privacy in return for entertainment. We tell everybody what we’re doing on Twitter. We have a Facebook account that lists all our favorite things. There’s all this stuff that, 20 years ago, nobody knew about us and now we’re shouting it into the ether and letting everybody know about it. We’re going to explore what happens if that keeps growing.
“Back in the early 90’s the writers were concerned about 'what happens if Corporations keep getting bigger?' Corporations got bigger; we lost that fight, and so what I’m looking at is the next step. How I saw that working was that, the corporations took the identities of the heroes and made them their mascots. So come 2099, characters like Spider-Man and Iron Man aren’t heroes. They’re these corporate mascots that tell you what to do, and they’re almost seen as oppressors,” Reed continued. “So when Spider-Man 2099 puts on his mask and steps out there saying he’s Spider-Man, it’s this really big show of defiance; it’s this moment of saying, ‘No! I’m taking this thing you perverted and making it good again.”
This new status quo for the 2099 world means that some of its characters may be somewhat different than their original incarnations. “I’ll calm everyone down right now by saying, in this series, Spider-Man 2099 wears the same costume [Laughs]. There was some debate as to whether or not it should change, but we were like, ‘No. That’s the one thing everybody loved about the character,'” Reed stated. “Beyond that, though, we’ve been trying to find the new versions of these characters; we’re looking for exciting ways to deal with them now.
“We’ve still got Cerebra from the X-Men. She’s younger now, and nobody knows what she is, including herself. So we’re going back a little to the first X-Men story, with her learning what a mutant is and what she’s become,” Reed said. “I’ve made Spider-Man younger and I’ve given him the chance to have that ‘I’m going to conquer the world ideology’ you see in many teens. That’s so we can throw it right back in his face and show him that, 'No, you’re not," [Laughs] and give him something to fight. We've also got a new Human Torch. In the original 2099 books, the Fantastic Four was supposed to be the FF from the present, only living in 2099. That was until we found out that they were really clones that the Watcher had made, but our new Human Torch is something a little more interesting.”
“Timestorm” also features an appearance by a new version of Punisher 2099. “He's actually what gets the story started. In the first four pages of the first issue, we see him come back to our time, and he's hunting Spider-Man. Before page four, he's shot Spider-Man,” Reed explained. “This leads into what we call the Timestorm. Over the next few issues we'll reveal what it is and what that did to Spidey.”
In addition to the Peter Parker version of Spider-Man, the contemporary incarnations of Wolverine and Luke Cage will also play large roles in “Timestorm.” Readers will experience much of the 2099 world through the eyes of those three characters. “One of my favorite moments is when the present day Spider-Man, who was in the 2099 world once before, returns and realizes things aren't how they used to be,” Reed remarked. “Then he sees a poster of himself promoting this horrible product in the future, and goes, 'What is this thing they're using my image for?'”
The core “Timestorm” cast from the 2099 era includes the previously mentioned Cerebra, Spider-Man, and Human Torch, as well as a revived Ghost Rider and not one, but many Hulks. The villain of “Timestorm” also hails from 2099. “If you're familiar with the 2099 books then the villain will be familiar to you. If you're not, then the name Tyler Stone means nothing to you,” Reed said. “But that's part of what this series is about; reintroducing that character and explaining to new readers who he is and making him a good villain.”
The tone of “Timestorm” will be comparable to that of another series where time travel is a prevalent element. “It’s got a ‘Doctor Who’ vibe to it, because I like to have fun instead of just being grim and gritty with you,” Reed said. “So it’s this great adventure set in the middle of this world where things are not so great.”
Reed feels his collaborator on “Timestorm,” artist Eric Battle, is doing a wonderful job reinterpreting and reimagining the characters and concepts of the 2099 world. “He’s brought a lot to the design aspect of the series. I just describe what I’m thinking about doing with a character, I don’t even describe what they look like, and he comes back with things like his sketch of Cerebra which just blew me away,” Reed stated. “He sent me that sketch and I instantly understood things like what she looked like when she used her powers and how she behaved in public. I knew all of those things about her as soon as I saw his sketch. So it’s been great. I send a paragraph to him and Bill and we bounce ideas back and forth. Then Eric sends us a sketch of this character and we’re all like, ‘Yes that’s it!’”
“Timestorm” has proved to be an enjoyable assignment for Reed, something the writer instinctively knew when he was offered the project. “One of the ways I end up saying yes to projects is if, when they ask, ‘Would you be interested?’ and my first thought is that I have no idea what the hell I would do, I say yes [Laughs],” Reed explained. “I find the challenge of figuring that out fun. That’s when the good stuff happens. When I respond to a project with, ‘Oh I know exactly what I’d do!’ is when I go, ‘No. I don’t want to write that.’”
Reed hopes readers respond to “Timestorm 2009/2099” because he’d love to write more stories set in the world of 2099. “I would love to do a regular ‘Spider-Man 2099’ book. It’s a fun world I’ve got going here,” the writer remarked. “I’ve got a lot of characters and ideas to play around with and the more I write of this series the more I’m like, ‘I just want to stay here. This is a lot of fun.’”

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20420

 

[Silver Knight]

Cant wait to see Torch 2099.

 

[The Geek Vault]

I can't wait for this to come out!

 

[Mr. Green]

I posted this in the Spider-Man section, but I'll post it here too. They're interviewing Peter David about Spider-Man 2099 at Newsarama. I figured it fit here well enough and it would explain to that guy up there why it's cool that Spider-Man 2099 has the "web cape."

That was a pretty cool interview, man. Thanks for posting it.

PAD is the man. His Hulk and X-Factor are legendary.

 

[Silver Knight]

This comes out in April correct?

Hope there will be a Hulk 2099.

 

[spiderfan970]

That was a pretty cool interview, man. Thanks for posting it.

PAD is the man. His Hulk and X-Factor are legendary.

There are parts 2 and 3 over at Newsarama also if you'd like to check those out. Part 3 is the best because you get to see what PAD would do if he were to do Spider-Man 2099 now. Also, he said that if he could he would love to write more Spidey 2099.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I liked the 2099 line up until shortly after Fall of the Hammer. Then I stopped buying all 4 main titles, but by that time I was hooked into X-Men 2099 and I read that to it's end. That is one of my all time favorate series'. I came back to the other titles here and there (President Doom was interesting). Then they ended everything and came out with World of Tomorrow. Dispite what people say, I enjoyed it, but I hated that Skullfire disappeared between the end of X-Men 2099 and the beginning of WoT, despite the fact that the rest of the surviving X-Men were in it.

Hopefully he'll show up here

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If he does, it's not gonna be the same Skullfire. This is a reinvention of the 2099 line with no connections to the original 2099 line beyond superficial things like characters' names and such.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I know, but I'll take that over nothing at all. I figure I'll skim the first issue and if it's too far removed then I'll ignore it, but we'll see. If it were in continuity with the original 2099 then I'd be more prone to buy it, but since it's not I'll skim it first, maybe wait until issue 2 comes out to decide if I'll buy any of them.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm passing, primarily because of the western-style Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider 2099 was an awesome cyberpunk take on the character. It's a shame that that's apparently being replaced with something more in line with the traditional Ghost Rider take.

 

[spiderfan970]

This came out today. Did anybody buy it yet?

 

[Silver Knight]

I will pick up on Friday

Should be good.

 

[random_havoc]

Here are my thoughts on issue #1

Timestorm 2099
Yay and nay for this issue. I was very pleased to experience the 2099 nostalgia, but at the same time, it's not really much like the 2099 that I remember anyways (that, and it doesn't have Doom 2099, which was my fav character from that brand). Punisher 2099 is virtually unrecognizable from the previous incarnation.
That combined with current Spidey's spider sense not warning him about something with no reason given equalled me being generally bothered.
BUT there was some interesting aspects, a generally interesting plot that has me looking forward to more, and good quality art (though not as darkly toned as a book like this calls for).
Overall good, but wanting in some aspects. 7/10

 

[WolfCypher]

If I make it to the comic shop Friday (since unfortunately I'm being "forced" to watch Dragonball Evo on the same day) I know I'm picking this one up.

 

[JewishHobbit]

This mini was up for debate for me but I just assumed I probably would buy it. I skimmed it, took one look at Cerebra, and put it back. I swear... why Marvel thinks they should always fix what isn't broke is beyond me. They 'fixed' Age of Apocalypse, they 'fixed' New Universe, and now they've 'fixed' 2099. ******s.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Picking this up tommorow.

Didn't make it to my LCS today.