The Last Jedi TLJ vs RO

[Mysteryman]

I liked them both equally.

 

[Grootster]

I really didn't love RO overall. I liked it. It was "okay". It was mostly a fanservice, feel good old school SW film, which was fine I guess, but I felt it was largely unnecessary and really didn't add anything to the overall SW story.

I can say that overall SW needs more films like TLJ and less films like RO.

I'd argue that all extensions of complete stories are kind of unnecessary. A New Hope was a complete movie, so there was really no need to continue it. The OT was a complete story, so there was no need to give it a prequel trilogy or a sequel trilogy. Before Rogue One came out I was also saying it was unnecessary, but after seeing it my outlook on calling movies "unnecessary" has kind of changed. It's all unnecessary, but if they can do it well it's fine. I do agree Rogue One has a feel good, "blast from the past" type feel, but I don't see a huge problem with that.

I don't really think the fanservice in Rogue One is that intrusive or outrageous (aside from maybe the cantina guys showing up). All of the classic vehicles and whatnot would have existed during that time period, so it's no different than making a WW2 movie with WW2 tech. Sure there were a lot of OT callbacks, but they all made sense in context.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I'll take Rogue One over The Last Jedi any day

 

[Rorschach2012]

Both rank pretty low for me.. Hard to decide

 

[Grommers]

RO - this is an easy contest, Rogue one I had zero expectations, it could be what ever it wanted to be. I was never a subscriber of the EU and I think it was DF that originally did the story pre-disney era.

So, outside of the skywalkers (family), and being a complete seperation from the main story, and acknowledging that there are other heroes (what TLJ tried to do but in...the main story?), it easily goes to Rogue One.

Both have boring parts - but Vader's parts are memorable, I have seen TLJ twice, and still can't remember any part where I feel the need to go to my friends and say "hey, you know what part was sick". it's mostly "ugh, this" or "eh, it was kind of cool".

 

[Brother Jack]

I'm shocked this poll is so close. I have problems with TLJ, but it is clearly the better film. It has characters with actual depth and charisma and it has ambition in its storytelling even if not all of it totally works. Rogue One is very pretty and has some great action scenes and its recontextualizing of the Galactic Civil War is interesting. But it has no arc apart from one or two of its players.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

In my opinion, RO is a well-acted, gorgeous, but shallow experience. It's like OT porn. I love watching it, but it's not that satisfying.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Whatever my problems with Rogue One - and I did have some such as character interaction (for comparison's sake see Wonder Woman and how much better the character interaction is there) - Rogue One is not a bad movie or even an average movie. The Last Jedi gets off on the wrong foot from the beginning and never really recovers.

So Rogue One > The Last Jedi

 

[Drizzle]

I like both, but Rogue One got a little staler for me with repeated viewings. Outside of the end battle and that amazing Vader scene, it's pretty average. I don't really feel connected to any of the characters besides Chirrut and K-2SO. For all it's flaws, I prefer The Last Jedi.

 

[DerekLake]

Rogue One feels more like a Star Wars film to me, so I have to give it to Rogue One, although I will agree that TLJ's characters are generally better written (and Jyn is, next to Saw, the worst thing about RO).

 

[spiderman2]

I'm shocked this poll is so close. I have problems with TLJ, but it is clearly the better film. It has characters with actual depth and charisma and it has ambition in its storytelling even if not all of it totally works. Rogue One is very pretty and has some great action scenes and its recontextualizing of the Galactic Civil War is interesting. But it has no arc apart from one or two of its players.

I am not but I get frustrated with RO because it is like grossly overrated movie by far the most overrated star wars movie yet. Its characters just sucks and its story is like so so.

 

[MaceB]

Yeah... I'd say it's close but TLJ edges out on top, due to it's bigger stakes, more compelling characters, and innovative environments.

I liked Rogue One. I really enjoyed how they added detail to DS1 design malfunction. That felt right, and it actually improves the original. R1 is one of those rare prequels that actually does serve the original.
It's faults are that it was a bland film, with characters that had strange motivations. It was good, but one of the least ambitious films of the Star Wars series.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

I am not but I get frustrated with RO because it is like grossly overrated movie by far the most overrated star wars movie yet. Its characters just sucks and its story is like so so.

I'd say that title now goes to TLJ. As many issues RO has with it's plot it's not as logic impaired as TLJ, and it's better at actually building off established canon.

 

[spiderman2]

I'd say that title now goes to TLJ. As many issues RO has with it's plot it's not as logic impaired as TLJ, and it's better at actually building off established canon.

To me TLJ is better in ever way. To me saying that RO is better then TFA or TLJ is like say a average NBA player is better then Micheal Jordan its just nuts to me. Plus RO seems to get a lot of love where TLJ while it gets a lot of love also gets a lot of hate and RO it fells like has gotten more popular has time has went on.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

To me TLJ is better in ever way. To me saying that RO is better then TFA or TLJ is like say a average NBA player is better then Micheal Jordan its just nuts to me. Plus RO seems to get a lot of love where TLJ while it gets a lot of love also gets a lot of hate and RO it fells like has gotten more popular has time has went on.

So having more logic holes is better, as you say it's better in every way?

I don't think RO is very good either. The characters aren't very interesting and it doesn't really take off until the third act. That and actually taking care to be better aligned with existing canon is enough to be better than TLJ in my view. I think a good reason why RO is more popular now is because how it looks in comparison to TLJ.

They could have made Vader and Tarkin act contrary to their core traits as well and RO would have gotten more, and well-deserved, criticism.

As for the NBA comparison, calling TFA or, especially, TLJ Michael Jordan is what's nuts to me. That's a good case for me saying that TLJ is overrated though.

 

[spiderman2]

So having more logic holes is better, as you say it's better in every way?

I don't think RO is very good either. The characters aren't very interesting and it doesn't really take off until the third act. That and actually taking care to be better aligned with existing canon is enough to be better than TLJ in my view. I think a good reason why RO is more popular now is because how it looks in comparison to TLJ.

They could have made Vader and Tarkin act contrary to their core traits as well and RO would have gotten more, and well-deserved, criticism.

As for the NBA comparison, calling TFA or, especially, TLJ Michael Jordan is what's nuts to me. That's a good case for me saying that TLJ is overrated though.

People have different opinions I am just saying that I find RO to be very overrated. Just saying to me saying that RO is better then TLJ is like saying a average NBA player is better then Micheal Jordan meaning basically there is a big difference and that it is obvisie witch movie is better not saying that it is the best off all time just that the gap is pretty big.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

People have different opinions I am just saying that I find RO to be very overrated. Just saying to me saying that RO is better then TLJ is like saying a average NBA player is better then Micheal Jordan meaning basically there is a big difference and that it is obvisie witch movie is better not saying that it is the best off all time just that the gap is pretty big.

Using Michael Jordan in a comparison really doesn't do much else than to bring "best of all time" to the discussion. That's what people think of when they hear his name.

Otherwise there's nothing strange with different opinions. I think that RO has many issues in the first two acts, but that's something I think lies a lot in the execution. With TLJ I'm just confused at how a script with such clear logical issues is written and approved by highly paid writers. The problems are mainly the kind that would be seen right there in the script, before anything was taken further.

 

[Galactus123]

Rogue One. The best Star Wars movie outside the original trilogy.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

RO. I feel pretty good about TLJ, but I love RO. There’s problems, but RO was just felt better to me.

 

[Batmannerism]

The Throne Room in TLJ is a lot better then that scene, and I love that scene.

The Last Jedi is a very good film. Rogue One is a movie that has two really good Vader scenes, a fantastic space battle, a very funny droid and Chirrut being awesome. No contest imo. TLJ is top level Star Wars. Rogue One is simply the best prequel.

That sums it up nicely for me . Other than those moments you mentioned I found RO hard to get into and didn't care about any of the characters, so their deaths meant nothing to me.

TLJ was far from perfect and had it's share of unnecessary crap , but Luke's story and grand exit made it all worthwhile.

At first I felt that Kylo Ren took it up a notch inTLJ, but upon reflection I now feel that Adam Driver is a bit overrated and Kylo Ren isn't all that. He has good moments but he ain't no Darth Vader.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I very much enjoyed RO. I don't find the characters flat or the events convoluted as some do. It was a grand military sci fi fantasy movie and it was gorgeous to look at.

All that out there... TLJ and it's not even close. The emotional depth, the resonant themes of aging and looking back on your life, the grappling with one's destiny, the visuals, the celebrating but also reassessment of nostalgia, and giving one of my favorite pop culture characters of all time such an interesting and deep send off... No contest, THE LAST JEDI.

 

[Micromind]

RO can be seen with OT, other SW movies are not really needed, so RO.

 

[007]

TLJ just flat out sucked, RO at least had this:

this.

 

[scarlet-witch]

The Last Jedi. Rogue One was very good and I loved it, but I just care about the characters in the main trilogy more.

 

[Brother Jack]

RO can be seen with OT, other SW movies are not really needed, so RO.

RO requires that you've seen A New Hope. On its own it offers little to no explanation as to what the Empire's all about or who Leia or Vader are. But even if it didn't I don't see how that would be a negative against TLJ. It's a sequel, of course it has to work within the larger narrative.