TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

[SuperAl]

Seems odd that Great Gatsby is her top rated on there, didnt critics hate that movie?

 

[king666]

Can someone do me a favour and just tell me if it's revealed that Superman kills someone.

I think that's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that would make me walk out of the cinema in floods of devestated tears.

Yeah, same for me. Totally unnecessary, imo. Superman can't kill. He's Superman.

Honestly, I hope they save Zod for the sequel. Supes should imprison the kryptonians in the Black Zero (or whatever-space-prison), so he's able to interact with them in MOS2.

 

[Tra-El]

The only way I can see Superman killing Zod is if it's a Doomsday-like situation. Since he will probably be facing more than ONE Kryptonian in this movie, he may be put into a situation to test his furthest limits to save all of humanity. Zod seems like a villian the Super-franchise has never seen before as far as devastation is concerned. Supes may have no choice, even by his own morals. We shall see........

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, same for me. Totally unnecessary, imo. Superman can't kill. He's Superman.

Honestly, I hope they save Zod for the sequel. Supes should imprison the kryptonians in the Black Zero (or whatever-space-prison), so he's able to interact with them in MOS2.

But he HAS killed before, at least one version of him did. And that version was around for about 20 years. In addition to the other Kryptonians, he also killed Doomsday, twice.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The reviewer said that he does. But whether that's true or not, I don't know.

If it's true, it's not exactly out of character, depending on which version of Superman you're reading. The Byrne Superman did kill Zod, Faora and a third Kryptonian in the comics.

If it's true, i'll find it really really hard to deal with, but I guess i'll have to consider the context... it'd have to be a really really well handled decent reason for it though.

And I really hope it's just not true.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Seems odd that Great Gatsby is her top rated on there, didnt critics hate that movie?

I know I did!

But he HAS killed before, at least one version of him did. And that version was around for about 20 years. In addition to the other Kryptonians, he also killed Doomsday, twice.

He's also been exposed to Pink Kryptonite and turned gay, but that doesn't mean I want that to be a part of the plot of this movie...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ This thread has taken a turn for the worse

 

[Tra-El]

You also got to take it into account the circumstances of the world that's being created for the future continuation of the story for sequels. If Superman does kill Zod, how will that effect the code of a potential Justice League and other heroes with the same code not to kill?

How will it effect the people of Metropolis's image of Superman? Even in the midst of saving the world, can they trust him moving forward after knowing and seeing him kill? Seeing Superman kill will change A TON of things and thicken the plot for juicy sequels. It can be both used against him or in his favor depending on how it all plays out.

Also, most people are saying "The devastation and action in this movie is on a different scale of epic-scope, but not as dark as some people are thinking it to be..." so, if it isn't as dark, where does killing fit into that whole description?

 

[Andreth]

I thought that review had been proven false a few days ago when other imdb users posted an interview with goyer in which he said supes doesn't kill.


this review also said that the first person to say "superman" was a little kid and Snyder already said who was the first person to say it.

I'm surprised to see people discussing that false review. Superman is not gonna kill Zod.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I just point people at Superman Vs The Elite if they wanna know why I think Superman not killing is an important evolution of the character that should absolutely stay consistent.

Superman says it better than me

 

[Transcended]

But he HAS killed before, at least one version of him did. And that version was around for about 20 years. In addition to the other Kryptonians, he also killed Doomsday, twice.

This.

Also, if true, I can see this being a catalyst moment for Superman - the moment where he decides never to kill again. He may feel forced into the situation out of fear of Zod killing "millions more" and afterwards, feel the death weigh so heavily on him that he chooses never to go there again. This is an origin story, after all, so the writers explaining WHY Supes never chooses to kill in the future would be okay with me if it's handled the right way.

We'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[BatBruce]

For me personally, it's not the idea of Superman killing Zod that isn't sitting well. It's the manner described in which he does it that sounds particularly brutal, which I think is a bit out of character. It comes off more as a rough murder than just a hero being forced to kill.

 

[king666]

But he HAS killed before, at least one version of him did. And that version was around for about 20 years. In addition to the other Kryptonians, he also killed Doomsday, twice.

He killed Lex Luthor in the JL animated series... it didn't end well

 

[Rowsdower!]

You also got to take it into account the circumstances of the world that's being created for the future continuation of the story for sequels. If Superman does kill Zod, how will that effect the code of a potential Justice League and other heroes with the same code not to kill?

How will it effect the people of Metropolis's image of Superman? Even in the midst of saving the world, can they trust him moving forward after knowing and seeing him kill? Seeing Superman kill will change A TON of things and thicken the plot for juicy sequels. It can be both used against him or in his favor depending on how it all plays out.

Also, most people are saying "The devastation and action in this movie is on a different scale of epic-scope, but not as dark as some people are thinking it to be..." so, if it isn't as dark, where does killing fit into that whole description?

Well, considering that it looks like Zod tries to destroy Metropolis and this is set in the same real world where people danced in the street after learning that Seal Team 6 had killed Bin Laden... I'd imagine that a lot of people wouldn't have too much of a problem with it.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ That's an alternate Superman .

And Doomsday never REALLY dies
Cyborg Superman, on the other hand..

 

[Rowsdower!]

This.

Also, if true, I can see this being a catalyst moment for Superman - the moment where he decides never to kill again. He may feel forced into the situation out of fear of Zod killing "millions more" and afterwards, feel the death weigh so heavily on him that he chooses never to go there again. This is an origin story, after all, so the writers explaining WHY Supes never chooses to kill in the future would be okay with me if it's handled the right way.

We'll have to see how it plays out.

Yes, exactly. And I believe in the comics, that's how that version of Superman came up with his "no killing" rule. He was so riddled with guilt that he vowed never to do it again... until he met Doomsday, at least... which, in comic book years, was probably like 6 months later. t:

 

[hopefuldreamer]

For me personally, it's not the idea of Superman killing Zod that isn't sitting well. It's the manner described in which he does it that sounds particularly brutal, which I think is a bit out of character. It comes off more as a rough murder than just a hero being forced to kill.

Okay, I just read the 'spoiler' and I don't know why we are even having this conversation... that is so obviously blatantly not happening in this movie.

Tell me if we get a spoiler about Superman killing Zod that is a bit more believable, then i'll start mulling it over and figuring out if I can deal with it

I will say, if I was going to find any way to be okay with it, the idea of it being the one and only time he kills and leads to the no kill rule is at least the better of the evils.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I don't think he'll snap Zod's neck. It would be over too soon. People were CRAZY unhappy with Bane's death, for Superman to go out of character AND deliver an anticlimactic answer to the morality question would be too much IMHO.

 

[Tra-El]

For me personally, it's not the idea of Superman killing Zod that isn't sitting well. It's the manner described in which he does it that sounds particularly brutal, which I think is a bit out of character. It comes off more as a rough murder than just a hero being forced to kill.

I didn't read how, nor will I. I have stumbled upon spoilers before but that's the risk I take. If the description is as you say it is, then it is absolutley, positively FAKE as can be.

No way Goyer, Snyder or even Nolan would make a pass at Superman brutally murdering anybody, regardless of his foe. I can deal with Superman HAVING to in a Doomsday-like situation, but not intentionally going over the line by his own limits just for the sake of it.

He's a symbol of HOPE and a beacon of trust. Supes is a much brighter character on the surface than Batman and even in that criminal and downright THUG inducing, terrorist-like Dark Knight trilogy, even Batman, who is WAY more brutal in nature than Superman ever could possibly be when it comes to mindset, saves the Joker and even Ra's Al Ghul in Begins.

No way Batman would out-due Superman in the Justice department, unless, like I said, he has no choice givin' the circumstance within the "Fate Of Your Planet" storyline.

 

[king666]

^ That's an alternate Superman .

And Doomsday never REALLY dies
Cyborg Superman, on the other hand..

Yes, that's an alternate Superman, but only because he killed Lex Luthor and enjoyed his "new brand of justice".

I know Superman has killed before, but I really dislike the idea. I think it's something the filmmakers should avoid.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How many reviews have there been so far?

 

[BatBruce]

It's also such a down way to end the first film of what is expected to be a huge franchise. Like they could end the second film that way, seeing as pretty much all second parters end on a bummer cliff-hanger since The Empire Strikes Back. The guy said not only do we have to watch Superman kill somebody, but then be devastated by it? That's a very questionable path to take, if true.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Yeah, it wouldn't sit right to have Batman save the Joker and Superman ACTIVELY killing Zod. My bets are on

Spoiler

the self destructing black Zero. If Lois is trapped there, and these Kryptonians aren't trying to save themselves despite their abilities, then in the heat of the moment, he could only save Lane (hence the shot of him saving Lois from a MASSIVE explosion). He'd probably feel a little guilty, but then Lois will kiss him, which would cheer him up, knowing that he made the right choice.

 

[Zionite1]

No way Goyer, Snyder or even Nolan would make a pass at Superman brutally murdering anybody, regardless of his foe. I can deal with Superman HAVING to in a Doomsday-like situation, but not intentionally going over the line by his own limits just for the sake of it.

Actually thats exactly how the reviewer said it happens-Supes pretty much has no choice-he does in it an instant to save a life in danger at the very momment.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I want Superman to call up Zod while Zod is delivering his threat to the world and tell him that he's going to beat him to death and then drink his blood from a big red boot.