TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

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Well yeah, I always find the concept of leaving villains alive stupid, it just gives them the opportunity to come back and do it again........... :D I mean, yeah LOL
 
I'm copying and pasting this from another forum, but I think a lot of people shrieking over Superman killing Zod need to chill out:

There's gonna be 3 types of people.

Superman fans who will hate it.
Superman fans who will accept/like it.
Mainstream Audiences who aren't gonna care either way.

Look i've seen betrayal and this is not that bad. Tim Burton's Batman killed plenty of people in the 1989 Batman. That's a Super Hero who's morals against killing are as strong, maybe even stronger, than Superman's. But let me ask you this.When Batman killed all those bad guys in that movie, did comic fans grab their torches and pitchforks? Did the movie receive bad reviews and was shunned by audiences? Did Batman in the comics suffer because of it?

Hell no!

If Man of Steel ends up being an awesome film, it ain't gonna matter if Superman rips out Zod's lungs and marches down the streets of Metropolis playing them like bagpipes. Superman in the comics ain't gonna change. There's no reason to cry "BETRAYAAAAL!" over this.


For god sakes, Star Trek 2009 rebooted the entire universe, and despite the outrage from trekkies, both films have been successful commercially and critically. Give Man of Steel a chance.
 
Well yeah, I always find the concept of leaving villains alive stupid, it just gives them the opportunity to come back and do it again........... :D I mean, yeah LOL

Yep and it would be a bad idea to put someone like Ra's Al Ghul in jail. Leaving him to die was the best option.
 
This is eerily reminiscent of the debate in Batman Begins of whether Batman killed Ra's Al Ghul or not...
 
I mean......it would have to be an EXTREMELY dire, life-or-death situation where the lives of countless people are at IMMEDIATE risk.
 
Meanwhile in Marvel movies (except for Spiderman) they regularly kill their enemies and nobody minds :P
Not that I mind, I just find the contrast kind of funny.

4 out of 5 Spider-Man villains died in the Raimi trilogy. Lawl. :hehe:
 
Is superman's no killing rule as strict as batman's?
 
This is eerily reminiscent of the debate in Batman Begins of whether Batman killed Ra's Al Ghul or not...

He could have saved him. He let him die, as far as I'm concerned it could be interpreted either way.
 
4 out of 5 Spider-Man villains died in the Raimi trilogy. Lawl. :hehe:

Yeah, but technically he didn't kill them :P

Iron Man and Captain America killed ALOT.
It was justifiable though.
 
I mean......it would have to be an EXTREMELY dire, life-or-death situation where the lives of countless people are at IMMEDIATE risk.

Reminded me of this tbh, and even then it wasn't that popular because of the drastic change:

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Is superman's no killing rule as strict as batman's?

As far as I know yes. But I distinctly remember Batman smashing a dude's face against a giant bell, and tossing his *** down a deep shaft of the tower in Batman 1989. And it was GLORIOUS!
 
It's been a while, but doesn't Zod and co die in Superman 2. Or implied that they die.
 
I've read the Review Twice.. I see NOTHING about Supes killing Zod. So I'm Confused...
 
"If Man of Steel ends up being an awesome film, it ain't gonna matter if Superman rips out Zod's lungs and marches down the streets of Metropolis playing them like bagpipes. Superman in the comics ain't gonna change. There's no reason to cry "BETRAYAAAAL!" over this."

Umm, I think it would matter. :D

And comic fans complain about Burton's stuff quite a bit.
 
He could have saved him. He let him die, as far as I'm concerned it could be interpreted either way.

I agree with your interpretation, though I see it as it's more like Bruce Wayne making the mistake of saving Ra's Al Ghul's life before his home was detonated. Because Bruce saved Ra's life, he risked Gotham being destroyed. Hence, he refuses to save him in order to guarantee that the greater good of Gotham would not be needlessly killed.

If this is indeed the premise that occurs, you have to wonder 1) If Zod was able to break free from the Phantom Zone, what's to stop him from coming back and wreaking havoc on Earth...again? 2) He can't keep continuing to be a "Boy Scout," he will face difficult moral choices, and the fact that Zod endangered millions of lives and killed some has to be weighing heavily on his mind...I'm sure all of us would kill a person that killed our loved ones. And that's the point, that's what makes Kal-El in many ways, a human being. 3) Zod is a Kryptonian, Superman probably prefers if he's the only Kryptonian so that no one could abuse the powers of the Yellow Sun (unless we get a Doomsday arc, though that's very unlikely).
 
It's been a while, but doesn't Zod and co die in Superman 2. Or implied that they die.

At least in the Richard Donner cut, Superman grabs Zod by the crotch and throws him down a pit in the Fortress of Solitude. Then later on when Superman and Lois are outside, he uses his heat vision to bury the Fortress.

So yea. Superman kills the s*** out of Zod and his crew.
 
^ Logistically, the self-destruct scenerio seems like the best option. I'd want to see that played on screen.
 
And comic fans complain about Burton's stuff quite a bit.

Well I don't see it. And if they do, they haven't made a single dent in bringing that film down. Everyone i've ever seen talk about that film enjoyed it.
 
Goyer asked the question when he was writing MOS, 'Imagine, if you were superman on Earth, what would you do'

Well, my answer? Kill the hell out of all the murderers, psycho-paths, terrorists, and so on... you keep leaving murderers around, and the blood of everyone they end up killing would be in your hands..

BTW: Why would Superman play errand boy to the US government? That would not be realistic at all... most of the world's problems are caused by Dictatorial governments that no one has the power to prosecute... why bow down to any such governments?
 
Found another review... might be bogus, but I'm not sure:

MAN OF STEEL

4 stars

Man of Steel begins in midstream, and never looks back. In many ways, it's a repeat of Superman and Superman II. It has the same key characters, including archvillain Lex Luthor. It continues the love story of Lois Lane and Superman, not to mention the strange relationship of Lois and Clark Kent. It features the return of three villains from Krypton. And it continues those remarkable special effects.

From his earliest days in a comic book, Superman always has been an urban hero. He lived in a universe that was defined by screaming banner headlines and vast symbolic acts, and Man of Steel catches that flavor perfectly with its use of famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower, the Empire State Building, Niagara Falls, and the Coca-Cola sign in Times Square. He was a pop hero in a pop world, and like Mickey Mouse and the original Coke trademark, he became an instantly recognizable trademark.

That's why the special effects in Man of Steel are so crucial. It is a great deal simpler to show a rocket ship against the backdrop of outer space than to show Kryptonian villains hurling a city bus through the air in midtown Manhattan. But the feeling of actuality makes Superman's exploits more fun. It brings the fantastic into our everyday lives; it delights in showing us the reaction of the man on the street to Superman's latest stunt. In the movie, as in the comic book, ordinary citizens seem to spend their days glued to the sidewalk, gazing skyward, and shouting things like "Superman is dead!" or "Superman has saved the world!"

In Man of Steel he saves large portions of the world, all right, but what he preserves most of all is the element of humanity within him. The Superman movies made a basic decision to give Superman and his alter ego, Clark Kent, more human feelings than the character originally possessed. So Man of Steel has a lot of fun developing his odd dual relationship with Lois Lane. At long, long last, Lois and Superman make love in this movie (after champagne, but discreetly offscreen in Superman's ice palace). But Lois and Clark Kent also spend the night together in highly compromised circumstances, in a Niagara Falls honeymoon haven.

And the movie has fun with another one of those ultimate tests that Lois was always throwing at Clark to make him admit he was really Superman. Lois bets her life on it this time, hurling herself into the rapids below Niagara Falls. Either Clark can turn into Superman and save her -- or she'll drown. And what then? All I can say is, Clark does not turn into Superman.

This scene has a lot of humor in it, and the whole film has more smiles and laughs than the other ones. Maybe that's because of a change in directors. Bryan Singer, who made the last "Superman" film and did a brilliant job of establishing a basic look for the series, is followed this time by Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen), and this is some of Snyder's best work. He permits satire to make its way into the film more easily. He has a lot of fun with Michael C. Hall, as the still-scheming, thin-skinned, egomaniacal Lex Luthor. And he draws out Henry Cavill, whose performance in the title role is sly, knowing, and yet still appropriately square.

This movie's most intriguing insight is that Superman's disguise as Clark Kent isn't a matter of looks as much as of mental attitude: Clark is disguised not by his glasses but by his ordinariness. Beneath his meek exterior, of course, is concealed a superhero. And, the movie subtly hints, isn't that the case with us all?
 
Here you go.
But Burton's Batman was necessary for forming some elements of the superhero genre. And its mostly entertaining in its own right.
The definitive adaptation on film, I think, is yet to come. But Nolan's movies are a nice placeholder.
 
Possible "Does Zod Die?" spoiler in this interview with Jake Hamilton, pretty good interviews - recommended watching.



In the Shannon interview, Jake asks "If there is a Justice League movie, would you like Zod to face off against a hero?, and Shannon replies "Aquaman".

The fact that the question is asked may mean that Zod does not die and is instead left to the Phantom zone or something similar. Then again, it could just be Shannon misleading us.
 
The review SHOULD look familiar! That's essentially EBERT's review of Superman II!
 
Found another review... might be bogus, but I'm not sure:

MAN OF STEEL

4 stars

Man of Steel begins in midstream, and never looks back. In many ways, it's a repeat of Superman and Superman II. It has the same key characters, including archvillain Lex Luthor. It continues the love story of Lois Lane and Superman, not to mention the strange relationship of Lois and Clark Kent. It features the return of three villains from Krypton. And it continues those remarkable special effects.

From his earliest days in a comic book, Superman always has been an urban hero. He lived in a universe that was defined by screaming banner headlines and vast symbolic acts, and Man of Steel catches that flavor perfectly with its use of famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower, the Empire State Building, Niagara Falls, and the Coca-Cola sign in Times Square. He was a pop hero in a pop world, and like Mickey Mouse and the original Coke trademark, he became an instantly recognizable trademark.

That's why the special effects in Man of Steel are so crucial. It is a great deal simpler to show a rocket ship against the backdrop of outer space than to show Kryptonian villains hurling a city bus through the air in midtown Manhattan. But the feeling of actuality makes Superman's exploits more fun. It brings the fantastic into our everyday lives; it delights in showing us the reaction of the man on the street to Superman's latest stunt. In the movie, as in the comic book, ordinary citizens seem to spend their days glued to the sidewalk, gazing skyward, and shouting things like "Superman is dead!" or "Superman has saved the world!"

In Man of Steel he saves large portions of the world, all right, but what he preserves most of all is the element of humanity within him. The Superman movies made a basic decision to give Superman and his alter ego, Clark Kent, more human feelings than the character originally possessed. So Man of Steel has a lot of fun developing his odd dual relationship with Lois Lane. At long, long last, Lois and Superman make love in this movie (after champagne, but discreetly offscreen in Superman's ice palace). But Lois and Clark Kent also spend the night together in highly compromised circumstances, in a Niagara Falls honeymoon haven.

And the movie has fun with another one of those ultimate tests that Lois was always throwing at Clark to make him admit he was really Superman. Lois bets her life on it this time, hurling herself into the rapids below Niagara Falls. Either Clark can turn into Superman and save her -- or she'll drown. And what then? All I can say is, Clark does not turn into Superman.

This scene has a lot of humor in it, and the whole film has more smiles and laughs than the other ones. Maybe that's because of a change in directors. Bryan Singer, who made the last "Superman" film and did a brilliant job of establishing a basic look for the series, is followed this time by Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen), and this is some of Snyder's best work. He permits satire to make its way into the film more easily. He has a lot of fun with Michael C. Hall, as the still-scheming, thin-skinned, egomaniacal Lex Luthor. And he draws out Henry Cavill, whose performance in the title role is sly, knowing, and yet still appropriately square.

This movie's most intriguing insight is that Superman's disguise as Clark Kent isn't a matter of looks as much as of mental attitude: Clark is disguised not by his glasses but by his ordinariness. Beneath his meek exterior, of course, is concealed a superhero. And, the movie subtly hints, isn't that the case with us all?

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Snyder said we wont get lex in this and this says we do
 
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