TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

[Andreth]

Where did this rumor even start?

Unless you all have a different source, I'll say it started here on the imdb boards by batbam, two new imdb posters, chugsthemonkey and superman753 created new accounts and started "confirming" he killed Zod, but they both started telling different stories and fighting between them, one even said he snapped Zod's neck with heath vision and not with his hands.

chugsthemonkey and superman753's reviews have already been proven false given that they started saying a bunch of nonsense that has already been debunked. But the OP: batbam is still saying it.

 

[Dr.]

In another forum someone brought up the Lester version of Superman II with its pertinent climax.

Some guy says he always assumed Zod and co. survived and were taken away because that was a given in the comics in those days.

I have to giggle at that. That's denial, it's right there on the screen.

Actually... In the original cut, it’s not certain that falling into the crevice is fatal. And in the extended cut, it’s clear that it’s not.

 

[Gavan]

Disney lied to me then.

 

[InJustice]

Yes, it happened once in the comics (and was retconned). The writer was wrong for writing it, and DC was wrong for printing it. In the 75 years of superman being published, mistakes will be made, it's unavoidable. And with the superman character, this was one of their biggest mistakes.

I don't think they're necessarily "wrong" for printing it as you can treat it as a new interpretation of Superman. But in a real world scenario that Goyer and Nolan are creating, it doesn't logically make sense to have Phantom Zone prisoner with superhuman capabilities who is believed to escape the Zone, and send him back there for his crimes on Earth again. You're risking the potential for more Zod shenanigans in a later year, should he be able to escape again. So in that regard I can understand why Kal-El would have to take liberties.

But seeing this side leads me to ask questions, how does Kal-El even kill a God? We have to remember that Zod also possesses superhuman powers...so it really doesn't make sense for him to die by heat vision (according to IMDUMB trolls) since it wouldn't even lay a scratch on Zod.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

Yes, it happened once in the comics (and was retconned). The writer was wrong for writing it, and DC was wrong for printing it. In the 75 years of superman being published, mistakes will be made, it's unavoidable. And with the superman character, this was one of their biggest mistakes.

I thought it was a good idea to show how Superman would deal with such a decision though. It's one thing to have him take the moral high ground, but it's a whole other story when we end up examining what happens to him when he does end up stooping to a lower level. It's interesting and explores what happens when this moral character crosses the boundary between what is just or not. Also, it makes Superman human - he makes mistakes and compromises his morals. A character who never does that would be unrealistic.

 

[moviefan!]

I told you guys not to go on imdb. Its the cesspool of movie fans

 

[X Knight]

well, if people are claiming Superman snaps Zod's neck 2 different ways, that kind of makes it seem suspect.

but, PowerCosmic and DaJanksta are seeing this tomorrow night. hopefully, they will be able to clear this up once and for all.

 

[Tra-El]

I think it has been all but confirmed, guys...we'll see how it builds up to that point!

 

[moviefan!]

I think it has been all but confirmed, guys...we'll see how it builds up to that point!

No it hasnt been confirmed. What makes you think its confirmed?

 

[Gavan]

Giggling at people rage quitting over this without seeing it for themselves. Tak about jumping the gun. How will they ever be happy?

 

[InJustice]

Giggling at people rage quitting over this without seeing it for themselves. Tak about jumping the gun. How will they ever be happy?

>complain about being too faithful to the comics that they didn't take liberties in bringing a new interpretation.
>complain about taking too much liberties that it doesn't even take the comic source material into account.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

 

[Super Kal]

thats called a catch 22

 

[DanSupKP37]

Yes, it happened once in the comics (and was retconned). The writer was wrong for writing it, and DC was wrong for printing it. In the 75 years of superman being published, mistakes will be made, it's unavoidable. And with the superman character, this was one of their biggest mistakes.

Everyone walked out of Superman 2 thinking Superman killed Zod..

It's not a big deal..

 

[Tra-El]

No it hasnt been confirmed. What makes you think its confirmed?

A very, very, very reliable source on comicbookrecources got back to one of the posters (who was HIGHLY skeptical before she heard it from her source herself) and she all but confirmed the Zod rumor. The source saw MOS in a early Hollywood screening.

In my personal opinion, this does NOT effect me. In fact, I can't WAIT to see it even more givin the context of where and why it happens from the buildup of point A-Z in the movie and its conflict.

 

[DvilDog]

i think i will wait to watch the flick but as long as he isnt going around around rage killing i guess i could be ok with it

 

[The Sage]

I'm in agreement with Motown Marvel on the killing issue. But I'd have to see how it's done before I wave it off, if it's true or not.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I could conceive of a Goku VS Frieza type climax, where Supes initially spares Zod, but then Zod proceeds to attack again moments later. Then Supes offs him.

 

[Herolee10]

Everyone walked out of Superman 2 thinking Superman killed Zod..

It's not a big deal..

The irony of this is that the film was written and shot with Zod and company not having been killed but having survived the ordeal and just simply sent to prison.

It was Lester and company who edited the film to make it look like Superman killed them. Another thing that's even weirder is that I would have thought that Donner would have established that in his "Donner Cut", but instead, he makes it look like Superman not only kills the trio but Lex as well when he destroys the FOS; of course this is all rectonned again when Superman turns back time at the end of the cut.

 

[DanSupKP37]

I'm in agreement with Motown Marvel on the killing issue. But I'd have to see how it's done before I wave it off, if it's true or not.

You can't say it ruins the movie for you though.. Say the movie is 2 hrs and 15 min in and you love it but in the last 3 min he kills Zod..

It's crazy to say "I hate the movie because he killed Zod"..

 

[Tra-El]

You can't say it ruins the movie for you though.. Say the movie is 2 hrs and 15 min in and you love it but in the last 3 min he kills Zod..

It's crazy to say "I hate the movie because he killed Zod"..

The HUGE spoiler is out of the bag, but I'm staying away from the context. I didn't read anything leading up to it as to why and how it happened, all I know is it DOES happen.

Where it happens is the question. There could be more movie after the killing to explain and move forward. There's no saying it's at the end of the movie as a whole. If there is, I'll try to stay away. At the rate I'm going, I'll probably ruin it for myself as well, hah.

 

[Transcended]

Nothing can be as character-killing as that scene in the Daredevil movie where DD watches + savors a thug's death-by-C-train (and delivers the film's worst line while doing so).

 

[Herolee10]

You can't say it ruins the movie for you though.. Say the movie is 2 hrs and 15 min in and you love it but in the last 3 min he kills Zod..

It's crazy to say "I hate the movie because he killed Zod"..

Because it somewhat betrays on what Superman stands for. He’s not about killing, but about hope. The fact that he chooses not to actively kill his enemies is one of the things that separates him from most heroes. It’s one thing to modernize him but another thing to betray one of the very cores and foundations of his character. It’s like having Batman actively using a handgun when crime fighting.

 

[moviefan!]

Because it somewhat betrays on what Superman stands for. He’s not about killing, but about hope. The fact that he chooses not to actively kill his enemies is one of the things that separates him from most heroes. It’s one thing to modernize him but another thing to betray one of the very cores and foundations of his character. It’s like having Batman actively using a handgun when crime fighting.

Maybe its the first kill which makes him realise never again? This is an origin story after all

 

[AnneFan]

The irony of this is that the film was written and shot with Zod and company not having been killed but having survived the ordeal and just simply sent to prison.

It was Lester and company who edited the film to make it look like Superman killed them. Another thing that's even weirder is that I would have thought that Donner would have established that in his "Donner Cut", but instead, he makes it look like Superman not only kills the trio but Lex as well when he destroys the FOS; of course this is all rectonned again when Superman turns back time at the end of the cut.

Oh boy. It just reminds me how messy Superman II/Donner Cut stuff is. For that reason I’ll only fully like the 1978 film. Bring on this reboot!

 

[Snark88]

If it really bothers people then you should just go into the film with the mindset that it's an elseworld story.