Comics Top 10 Reasons I Stopped Reading Spiderman

[Sloth7d]

Well I almost stop reading everything marvel when I saw Jigsaw break Spidermans arm.
I mean he can get knocked throgh several layers of concrete and get up for more, but a regular human can snap his arm like a twig.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Yeah that was lame. I'm actually more becoming more resistant to dropping any Spidey books as I read them lately. They are very interesting although i thought some of the stuff that has happened would piss me off. Its actually created a real spark of interest for me that I have missed in the Spidey books for a good while.

I dont even think id drop Spiderman if MJ died. Before a few months ago a thing like that would have killed me but hey, Id love to see Black Cat or someone else with Peter just to see what would happen.

I dont know, I guess im just desensitized to unbelievable things or shock value things happening that would seem ridiculous in the past... and now it just feels like anything can happen...and im ok with it as long as it creates interesting scenarios that will make me long to see what will happen next.

 

[TOK]

In the country I live in we have not seen all storys that for excample americans have, for excample unmasking has only been spoiled for me by internet :P .

I still read Spiderman maybe because of these spoilers, I wait to see some cool story things.

I have stopped reading Spiderman about two times, but always came back. These are stupid things in Spiderman:

1. Norman is the solution for every Peter's problem. Gwens children, Aunt May kidnapped, everything. And in the comics of the country of ours Norman Osborn returns about two times in year, *sigh*...

2. I can't say sure about this, but I don't know what to think, when Spidey unmasks himself and gets stupid powers and suit...

3. Almost every new character dies (Ezekiel and totem guys).

4. Scifi lost, Spidey got his powers from the gods, it was the mission of that spider, nothing about radioactive or an accident...

5. For first, it felt stupid to give the symbiote from other guy to the other. Angelo died and then Scorpion got it. Scorpion felt a little stupid choise, but it will be seen in the future.

 

[3dman27]

maybe even for a symbiote beggars cant be choosers

 

[hex]

Hey, don't rag on the choice to make him a teacher. I actually thought that was a brilliant move. It was effed up, but the original move was a nice little innovation.

hehe, this is about a year late reply, but what the hey, making peter a teacher would have been believable, if he was teaching at a University. Hellooo.. Peter used to have near genius level intellect who did invent the web formula. But of course, that doesn't exist anymore. Also, please read what I posted, it was a PLOT device to tell urban youth stories. The fact that is the reason, is why it's ******ED!!

But I digress.. y'know, it's been a year now, and I still don't read spidey, simply peruse like I sadly have had to in the last ohhhh 10 years now.. Why can't MARVEL GET SPIDEY RIGHT!? And WTF if Joe Q doing to the Marvel Universe?! Every single thing they keep doing to Spidey... my head fell off from swinging it back and forth, saying WHY WHY WHY!?

Recently I read how Spidey kicked Kingpin's ass, and threatening to actually kill him once Aunt May dies, which she obviously will. Soo.... I guess Peter is finally gonna kill somebody. great. I guess the Spidey I grew up with grew up, and will become a MURDERER. WTF!!!! lol

 

[DACrowe]

1) One More Day: Ending the marriage was the last straw
2) Sins Past
3) The Unmasking (voluntarily, I wouldn't mind so much if someone unmasked him unwillingly)
4) Aunt May being brought back from the dead and hte original Aunt Mayh being "an actress"
5) The Lizard being turned into a villain, as in I mean Conners really being evil all along
6) Mackie and Bryne's "reboot" years, ugh!
7) The Gathering of Five (going into reason #4, butg broader on the whole story)
8) Mosto f The Other (I liked the first 3 or so issues)
9) Spidey being Tony's sidekick
10) Peter being a "clone." I put it low because it was retconned and I personally think Revelations was a great Spidey story, so I am not as adamently hating the saga as most.
11) Flash Thompson reverting back 40 years of growth and character development
12) Turning Liz Allen into a stupid ***** after she got so strong once Harry died.

I could go on, but that is enough.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. I liked Peter as a high school teacher. That had so much potential and it was nice to see him in a steadyh job that was realistic for him (as opposed to being a scientist at Tricorp or whatever) that had a lot of potential for the future...but was wiped off.

 

[Venom 1988]

5) The Lizard being turned into a villain, as in I mean Conners really being evil all along

I believe that has been forgotten. Ever since that story, the Lizard has appeared a couple of times and that has not been acknowledge.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Ten Worst Spidey stories since the early 90's... in chronological order

1) Maximum Carnage... this was the first REAL crappy event-driven story. This was the Daddy of the event-story and so it deserves alot of the blame for what we get today.

2) Robotic parents and Peter goes psycho.

3) Peter is the clone and joins up with Jackal.

4) Ben Reilly is killed, the baby's fate is forever left ambigious and Osborn returns. I actually kinda liked 'Revelations' up until Reilly's unnecessary death whose sole purpose was to placate the Wizard fanboys. He shouldn't have been Spidey, but he didn't need to die either.

5) Aunt May comes back in that crappy Final Chapter story that invalidated the awesome ASM#400

6) Byrne-era relaunch with Mattie Franklin, MJ "dies", Chapter One and tons of other really bad Mackie/Byrne stinkers.

7) JMS tinkers with the origin in ways I really don't like with that whole magic totem animalistic stuff I stil don't get to this day

8) Sins Past... nothing I can really say that others haven't.

9) I'm combining "The Other" storyline and that stupid Spider-Queen story that gave Pete his biological webshooters. Both stories were awful and simply amounted to powering Pete up in ways he didn't need.

10) I'm REALLY wary about One More Day and think it might have a place in this slot, since it looks on course to invalidating every Spidey story I've read since I started picking the book up in 1990 (that's right Joe Q, I'm one of those fans who started AFTER MJ and Pete got married... and considering it's been 17 years I don't think they have the right to call me a "new fan")

 

[DACrowe]

^^ WEll said. I actually liked reilly's death though and between that and Baby May it set up for some great stories of searchign for redemption or getting through grief but other than a few stories in the late '90s by non-main title writers 9like the guy who ran Unlimited) it was completely ignored.

I was also digging thep arents story arc in AMazing until the big reveal that they are robots. That hurt the whole thing...but I still like the story for nostolgic reasons.

 

[USMC]

5) The Lizard being turned into a villain, as in I mean Conners really being evil all along

When did that happen?

Wow, how stupid...

 

[Gabbra49]

JJJ u nailed everything i have been saying

 

[Blader5489]

2) Sins Past
4) Aunt May being brought back from the dead and hte original Aunt Mayh being "an actress"
7) The Gathering of Five (going into reason #4, butg broader on the whole story)

Completely agree with these. IMO, these three are simply unforgivable and have absolutely no redeeming value to them.

I'm reserving judgment on One More Day until the arc runs its course. I don't like the concept (not so much the marriage being erased, but it being done in such a completely deus ex machina way), but the story's execution could win me over.

 

[spideymusprime]

When did that happen?

Wow, how stupid...

Spectacular Spider-Man Vol. 2 issues 11-13.

I remember reading that arc and thought it was really stupid that all this time Doc Conners willingly transformed into the Lizard whenever he wanted to. It was totally out of character. Much like Sins Past, I just choose to ignore it as if it never happened.

 

[UltimateJustin]

1. The changing of the book from a story-driven superhero saga to a tabloid.
2. - 10. The not-at-all real "realism", anti-climatic everything (why doesnt Tony reveal Peter's identity publicly, forcing him to take that step, thus making him an even bigger dick? why cant Venom just be Venom instead of a dying *****ebag?), and every action made by jose quesadilla.

 

[dan1]

I'd rather have the worst of the Clone Saga in ASM than the best of the Other, anyday of the week. Pretty much goes for every other "shocking" event thats happened to Peter in the last few years.

Here's pretty much my list, I Byrne steal my roomies Spidey now

10. The Reboot/Chapter 1
"Yeah! Let's completley renumber the long running ASM line and change his origin so that our readers no longer wonder why, so many accidents happen in the Marvel uni, and why Norman Osborn's and The Sandman's hair looks so similar!"

9. Baby May
Marvel, has been pushing the Spider-baby on us for about two years and we're all pretty pumped. However due to some Clone Saga retooling.. Peter, comes back, and having a kid would drastically age this hip young swinger. So the Baby is removed from the picture. However nobody at Marvel, having the stones to actually kill it, make it seem as though Norman Osborn had taken it. Something Marvel believed would be the end of all the baby talk. However, every single Spider-fan out there saw through it, and Marvel had to quickly have Kaine steal her, and than disapeer for the next 8 years. Is Baby May dead? Nope, but you can bet your ass you ain't seeing her in 616 in this lifetime

8. You Will Believe a Spider Can Fly!
Ok so Spidey gets a new costume from Iron Man, because uh, all his other costumes were damaged. Somehow Peter accepts it even though it has Tony Starks color scheme. As well the costume has these appendages on the back to deal with Doc Ock and stuff, and to give it a more eight legged Spider feel ,however the damn suit has only three legs . It's also bullet proof, and uh, can glide... for several miles... uh yeah....

7.Osborn did it!
Got a problem with Spider-Man that needs to be solved? Osborn did it! That's all you need to say to wrap up a story real quick and be able to get to DC much quicker by doing so. Gwen Stacy, getting it the way of progress? Osborn did it!. Is your Clone Saga running too long? Osborn did it! Peter Parker needs the return of his ailing Aunt? Osborn did it! Need a father to Gwen Stacy's children, to wrap up a ******ed plot? Osborn did her!

6.Gwen gets around
I can only imagine how the abomination known as Sins Past came to light. How in christs name did it get by the editors? Let alone the few people at Marvel with basic common sense? Let me explain what went wrong and you tell me if this belongs in a comic book, or some day time soap opra.

Gwen has sex with Norman Osborn, because of his apparant Magnatism. She carries his kids, and goes to France to deliver them.(She looked pretty skinny for a woman carrying 2 children!) After which MJ finds out, and doesn't tell Peter for about 10 years. Osborn kills Gwen, but not to hurt Peter, like the most important Spider-Man comic book ever said
But to actually get revenge on her for not letting her have his kids. *Sigh*
Peter goes nuts and destroys the living room, and than turns into a good guy again, and decides to help the kids, who are growing so old because of the Goblin serum in their blood(Thanks deus ex machina! ) One of the kids finds the Goblin hideout and discovers Peter was telling the truth about Osborn, but ignores that fact and puts on his new Grey Goblin costume!! (Marvel once again ignores some more continuity, and has Osborn injecting himself with the serum) He goes to attack Peter, but his sister has turned good and shoots him out of the sky. She leaves, and he wakes up with amnesia. Peter has some really creepy ending where he's ******* off to Gwen, while talking to MJ. Did I mention they made a sequel to this arc? I can't tell you about it because, I stopped reading after one issue. Even Citizen Kaine, aint that strong.

rock on dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All true true true. You are not alone. You are not in the twilight zone.

 

[Gabbra49]

I know what your saying, apparently norman is the only bad guy spiderman is up against. I mean every story since Normans death in the clone saga has been complete crap. Their are plenty of other villian. Most writers think they have to add the GG to make it some awesome story. Those writers have helped to ruin how great the gg once was.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

One year later...
1)shoving the spider-totem thing in my face, and instead of making it a Possibility for an origin it was made into the Actual Origin
2) The over-evolution of Spidey... He's now a frickin' pokémon... He's "Evolved" TWICE!!! and he gets dumber after each evolution...
3)The Norman /Gwen Squeaky Mattress session...
4)Joe Q's Let's erase the marriage crap (Jackpot is included here)
5)The big bad Wolverine rip-off stingerz!!!
6)Peter's dumbassness (Unmasking is here)
7)JMS
8)Every story MUST be told in six-twelve frickin issues!!! Can't they make stories that resolve the main plot in one issue and leaving small loose ends to deal with in the next issue...
9)god awful red and gold abomination... with tentacles... now there are more of them...
10)Complete disregard for continuity, and bending/destroying the characters so they fit to the story...
Joe Q went up a few notches in my hate meter... shocking... I don't think so...

 

[Spec Spider-Man]

Dude why did you waste so many reason when 1 could have sufficed.


THE CLONE SAGA SUCKED.

THE OTHER SUCKED.


I mean i could have digged spideys other powers had it stayed science based evolution and of course, he didnt turn iron mans ***** 2 issues later.

Totally Agree!

 

[hex]

P.S. I liked Peter as a high school teacher. That had so much potential and it was nice to see him in a steadyh job that was realistic for him (as opposed to being a scientist at Tricorp or whatever) that had a lot of potential for the future...but was wiped off.

Hey DACrowe! I remember you, hehe, I haven't been on these boards in a while, but it's good to know peeps like you and Galactus still post here. heh.

And while, Pete being a teacher is a good idea, I just hated that JMS made certain things in Pete's universe the way they were simply to fit his desire to tell urban youth stories, and Aunt May's revelation. I loved when Aunt may died the first time. JMS's run on spidey in my opinion was the biggest mistake Marvel made in an attempt to win back readers.

 

[hex]

1) One More Day: Ending the marriage was the last straw
2) Sins Past
3) The Unmasking (voluntarily, I wouldn't mind so much if someone unmasked him unwillingly)
4) Aunt May being brought back from the dead and hte original Aunt Mayh being "an actress"
5) The Lizard being turned into a villain, as in I mean Conners really being evil all along
6) Mackie and Bryne's "reboot" years, ugh!
7) The Gathering of Five (going into reason #4, butg broader on the whole story)
8) Mosto f The Other (I liked the first 3 or so issues)
9) Spidey being Tony's sidekick
10) Peter being a "clone." I put it low because it was retconned and I personally think Revelations was a great Spidey story, so I am not as adamently hating the saga as most.
11) Flash Thompson reverting back 40 years of growth and character development
12) Turning Liz Allen into a stupid ***** after she got so strong once Harry died.

I could go on, but that is enough.

F n Heck !!! I didn't even know about the Lizard aka Conners having been revealed to being a villain all along. WTF indeed. Jeez... and the Unmasking is another thing, what were they thinking? I remember seeing Joe Q's Comic con interview on G4, commenting about the controversy of Spidey's unmasking, I couldn't believe he could say it was a brave thing to do, to tell better spidey stories like how would JJ react etc. How can he say those things with a straight face?? I was so Friggin' pissed, I don't even remember exactly what he said, all I know is that Joe is F-ing up. And yeah Flash reverting back 40 years of character development, annoying. I don't even wanna know about liz allen...

 

[hex]

Well I almost stop reading everything marvel when I saw Jigsaw break Spidermans arm.
I mean he can get knocked throgh several layers of concrete and get up for more, but a regular human can snap his arm like a twig.

wtf? when did jigsaw do that? Who wrote that fubar?

 

[Venom 1988]

lol I never even knew Spidey and Jigsaw ever met

 

[Web-Head408]

lol I never even knew Spidey and Jigsaw ever met

If I remember correctly, it happened in New Avengers #2.

 

[Venom 1988]

Ah thats why, I never read New Avengers