Comics Top 10 Reasons I Stopped Reading Spiderman

hex said:
Obviously you're a Doc Ock fan, as was I before I realized, how the hell does he keep getting punched in the face by someone who can lift over 10 tons, and still kick that guys arse!?

Ummmm he doesn't keep getting hit in the face. He usually keeps Spidey at arm's length, if you'll pardon the pun. I think you're thinking of SM-2, where he took alot of punishment without batting an eye lid.

But Spidey does pull his punches though.

Um.. as I recall okay I only flipped through it becuz I didn't want to damage the comic as I often do when I read something that pisses me off,
There was a machine that both were hooked up to, regardless of it being part of an ancient spiritual voodoo, um.. do realize what I just said before?! LIFE TRANSFERING WHatever the hell it's BS!!

I don't recall any machine. This was some mystical ceremony. No machinery involved. Stunner was in a virtual reality device if that's what you're thinking of.

And lame or not, it gave us Doc Ock again. And that's all that matters. He shouldn't have died in the first place. Stupid Clone Saga.
 
Doc Ock said:
Ummmm he doesn't keep getting hit in the face. He usually keeps Spidey at arm's length, if you'll pardon the pun. I think you're thinking of SM-2, where he took alot of punishment without batting an eye lid.

But Spidey does pull his punches though.



I don't recall any machine. This was some mystical ceremony. No machinery involved. Stunner was in a virtual reality device if that's what you're thinking of.

And lame or not, it gave us Doc Ock again. And that's all that matters. He shouldn't have died in the first place. Stupid Clone Saga.

Fine fine fine, it's just your monicker reminded me of Spiderman 2, which while cool in some parts sucked ass, but anywho, point is Spidey currently sucks.
 
Here’s my list in order of outrage:

10. The “last” issue of Amazing Spider-Man--This of course was Marvel’s attempt at rebooting the titles by publicizing that Amazing Spider-Man, after nearly 40 years, was “ending.” Sure, we all knew he was coming back at the beginning of next year, but still it showed just what a sorry state Marvel was in at the time.

9. Mary Jane’s “death.”--Marvel’s second attempt at trying to make Peter Parker a bachelor and babe magnet was to make him a widower. I’m pretty much convinced that it was this move that put the final nail of the coffin into the reboot. And even though MJ was eventually brought back, Marvel still makes her the scapegoat by insisting that she (not the writers mind you) is why no one can relate to Spider-Man anymore.

8. Moves into a rent free apartment in Stark Tower--Becoming an Avenger is one thing, which I didn’t particularly mind. Moving into their headquarters and once again living in a luxury apartment (you know, what many fans complained about during the reboot) was another story. First of all, if he doesn’t have to pay rent, why even bother working two jobs as a photographer and a teacher? And second, why does being a member of a superhero team have to mean you move you and your whole family into their headquarters? Speaking of which...

7. The New Avengers become his supporting cast--As a consequence of moving into Stark Tower, Peter’s supporting cast, besides Aunt May and Mary Jane, consisted of other superheroes, thereby neglecting--once again--the comics classic supporting cast. In short, this pretty much started the current trend in making Peter not having a normal life apart from his one as Spider-Man. Now I understand that Brain Michael Bendis wanted to make New Avengers the equivalent of the JLA, but that didn’t mean that virtually every Spider-Man book had to become the equivalent of Marvel Team-Up. And that takes us to...

6. Peter becomes Tony Stark’s b****--From the ugly “Iron Spidey” suit to Peter calling Iron Man “boss” this entire “father-son” relationship was contrived from the get-go, especially since neither characters were never really that close to begin with other than the occasional team-up. And yes, when Spider-Man’s role in Civil War depends upon him basically becoming the tool of somebody else, essentially putting aside all personal integrity and conviction for some token gifts, and not realizing he’s been scammed until it’s too late--all of which risks going against 40 plus years of established characterization--then it’s forced.

5. Gwen Stacy’s one night stand with Norman Osborn--Pop quiz: This moment from Sins Past is bad because:
A. It tarnishes the meaningful relationship Peter and Gwen had?
B. It involves an 18 year-old girl having sex--for the very first time no less--with a 45 year old?
C. Gwen reasoning for sleeping with Norman was for no other reason than Norman’s “personal magnetism?”
D. Upon reading back-issues, you find that there’s no way Gwen’s one act of indiscretion could have possibly happened?
E. It made Peter into a sap, MJ into a liar, Gwen into a careless floozy, and Norman--once again--into a Lex Luthor wannabe?
F. It resulting in the Stacy Twins, which led to the even worse “Sins Remembered?”
G. That Gwen having unprotected, pre-martial sex, abandoning her kids in Europe, and not telling Peter somehow made her a “courageous woman” and was essential character development in the eyes of JMS?
H. That it put greater importance on the idea that the Green Goblin kidnapped and eventually killed Gwen because she jilted him and refused to allow access to their children over that of him kidnapping and eventually killing her in order to make Peter suffer--and likewise absolved Peter of the guilt he felt that it was his fault?
Or I. All of the above?

4. Mysticism DID play a part in Spider-Man’s origin--As long as this was ambiguous, then it was fine by me. But then “The Other: Evolve or Die” came along and pretty much established that not only was the new age, mystical spider-totem crap that supposively played a part in Peter becoming Spider-Man official, but it also meant that the spider that bit Peter (based on Ezekiel’s musings way back in “Coming Home”) was in fact a magical creature, which means Peter would’ve gained spider-like powers regardless of whether or not the spider had been irradiated. And considering how “The Other”(before it became that she-spider thingy) was mystical in nature, this has to be the case. And speaking of which...

3. “The stingers” a.k.a. Spidey’s Wolverine-esque bone spears--Perhaps I should’ve been warned when “The Other: Evolve or Die” had MJ and Aunt May in Iron Man armor fighting Doombots, or when Morlun ripped out Spidey’s eye and ate it. But when Peter went all “Berserker Rage” and had these foot-long spikes pop out of his forearms like a certain Canadian member of the X-Men, this pretty much confirmed for me that this particular crossover was a trainwreck waiting to happen and a sure sign that those currently working on Spider-Man are hopelessly lost.

2. Peter “revealed” to be “the clone” and Ben the “original.”--Not only did this lead to the Spider-Man’s comics decade long decline, not only did this moment invalidate 20 years worth of stories, not only did this move to re-establish Spider-Man status quo ended up satisfying no one, but the way it happened, with Peter backhanding a then pregnant MJ as she tried to stop her husband from killing Ben, is what made the “revelation” even worse. As did this...

1. Peter unmasking himself on live TV--Yes I know we haven’t seen the full impact of this yet, but come on. When you pretty much do something that eliminates the idea that Peter is a relatively ordinary guy trying to balance and maintain an ordinary life separate from that of his other life as a costumed crimefighter you are bound to have problems in the future. Especially since the way it was handled. And no, Peter was not backed into a corner because SHRA did not require him to reveal his identity to the public. And yes, if Spider-Man had been written properly, he would’ve tried to have maintained his secret identity despite the pressure from Iron Man and Aunt May. Then again, this was just another example of a character being forced to comply with the story--besides being an obvious publicity stunt--instead of the other way around. And the proof of that is that Mark Millar admits that it wasn’t originally supposed to happen in Civil War, that it was Joe Quesada’s idea (who then tries to pass the buck to Tom Breevoot).

And as a bonus: the Direct Market, or why your comics continue to go up in price.
 
This looks fun! Let me post my OPINIONS and give things a go...

10) The symbiote leaving Eddie Brock and joining Angelo Fortuno & Mac Gargan
9) The villain known as Morlun
8) The New Avengers - I actually liked SM being an Avenger at first but now...
7) The possibilites that something bad in the future WILL happen to MJ (just to add more shock to SM's life...)
6) The Iron Man-made costume
5) The Gwen-is-a-****e shock value gimmick
4) The RETURN of the villain known as Morlun (or "The Other")
3) The Clone saga...back then, there seemed NO END TO IT!
2) The new powers (not the organic webbing. I'm fine with that.)
1) The unmasking
 
hex said:
1) Aunt May turned out to be an actress that Osborn hired. (ASM #400)

Are you just referencing the issue that she died or saying that she turned out to be an actress in # 400.

Because ASM # 400 is the issue that got spit on. Poor J.M. DeMatteis and Mark Bagley. That hard work and emotion all for, basically nothing. I actually feel bad for a lot of those writers and artists during the 90's, and during the Clone Saga. There was a lot of very interesting and fun things introduced during the Clone Saga and a lot of new, different characters.

Yet...it's part of Spider-Man's history that just gets ignored all the time.

And that was before JMS and Joe Quesada, so it's not just these guys that mess up Spider-Man. A lot of other wonderful human beings have done a great job at messing up Spider-Man long before those guys.
 
Well....I haven't fully stopped reading Spidey....but I've stopped collecting every issue like i used to from the 70's thru the 90's. All my runs sadly came to an end...Spidey is still my favorite hero but is no longer a fun thing to read...he is a shadow of what he once was.

My reasons:

1.) They cancel Web of Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man, whatever they want to cancel....mess up the numbering of their series, rename the series, renumber,....then restart the numbering of the series where once left off inbetween renaming and renumbering, continue old name, etc....on and on....dumb choices that kick us long time LOYAL readers that read our comics and are not just in it for shock value and MONEY. ((By the way, they wonder why TPB's sell better now than the comics themselves...the answer my friends is in the above paragraph. You (the comic makers) have long destroyed any incentive in collecting runs of any series...))

2.) No respect for the characters, past writers, continuity, or us-the readers. I mean, change is good, and you can do new things...but don't just poop on everything that went before completely and utterly.

3.) Gwen Stacy is not a tramp. I mean, reread all of her stories when she was alive and current. There was never ANY indication what so ever that she was ANYTHING like some tramp who'd sleep with an old man, the father of her friend and then get rid of her love-children in another country and lie about it to everyone for years. Not an inkling even of anything like that for Gwen's character. Seriously....if there was something a writer actually had, and angle or something they could twist in that direction, something credible...that is one thing...but there isn't anything to lead anyone to think Gwen would have done that, so they just fling poo in the face of Gwen Stacy and us, the readers, It is pointless and stupid. Just for shock value.

4.) Cloning...which essentially made the real Spidey we read about for 20 years really just the "Amazing Adventures of A Fake"...everything i read before didn't matter-it was just adventures of a clone. Then making us read about the new "REAL" Spider-Man Ben for two years of our lives (in real time), only to eventually tell us the new real spidey Ben now is really not real and the Spider-Man we loved and grew up with is indeed REAL. Thanks for wasting our time guys...who didn't see THAT coming?? If you write a story, make it so that it can continue on and matter, like they did in the past...none of this shock value sell a couple extra comics crap...then months or years later it never happened or mattered. If it will stand the test of time-that can help you decide whether or not it is a good idea possibly?!?? If you're gonna want to pretend it didn't happen in a year...maybe skip that idea!!??....Unless there is some other strong logic for that idea.

5.) Dumb new costumes. I mean, again, change IS indeed neato and swell if done right....BUT.....why does Spider-Man need armor and tentacles that make him look like the Iron Octopus!?? This isn't Spider-HAm....heck THAT series was handled better than Spider-Man these days. Seriously...costume changes can be "ok" if done right and not routinely. The Black Costume was real cool in fact. It was new and fresh...and led to a great villian-the costume itself and later Venom/Eddie Brock. There was a new idea, and it didn't just "disappear" as a storyline that didn't mean anything and was pointless.

6.) origin changes......no longer bitten by radioactive spider...Pete REALLY got his powers from a magical totem pole of spidery love. Let me tell you, really, it is much easier for me personally to relate to the magical totem pole origins over a high school accident of the spider-bite.

7.) Power changes. Let's give spider-man pop out claws...i mean, wolverine sells great and he has claws. Let's also give him ant-man powers-so he can talk to spiders AND his hairy back and arms can help determine the wind and weather. Swell!!! And while we're at it, Spidey's eyes can be eaten off/out and they'll grow back thanks to these nifty new magical totem pole powers. Now Pete can fight Mike Tyson without fear. Ear gone??...no prob...Totem pole powers-Activate, in form of ear!

8.) Spidey unmasking.....it is not like Peter's character coincides with anything to do with responsibility. Why would he care if he jeapordized his students, the city, his wife, his family, his friends..etc. I mean, afterall, Iron Man WANTED him to take off his clothes...that explains it. And it's not like Peter in his life has ever had much experience with pressure or tribulations that would have helped him make such a tough decision of unmasking on live tv. And we know, Spidey's always up to doing anything in his power to please and impress others like Iron Man. It is a good thing no-one like NFL Super-Pro or Silver Surfer asked him to do anything odd, or you never know what Spidey would have resorted to in order to impress the other marvel heros! At least this solves the new Iron Octopus Costume problem...now he doesn't even NEED ANY costume...in fact, it is worthless and pointless to even wear. He can just wear a Spidey Head-band and some sweatpants- this will let his face breathe better too. No, the real reason he unmasked is not because Iron Man pressured him, or because it makes sense, or because us fans DEMAND THESE GENIOUS CHANGES...(Doh!!) but because Joey Q. needed a shock value of the month story, hoping to make more money for guys in suits on the marvel board...and to sell Civil War.

9.) While flushing Spider-Man down the toilet, lets also talk about rumors of getting rid of MAry Jane. I mean, it is not like us readers can associate with married life....(ARGHY!!)....some people at marvel are dumb. Why could writers in the 70's on up write supporting characters so well and now writers are clueless about how to handle characters or real life issues like marriage!? Maybe if we weren't just doing 10 issue runs and starting over new #1's of the same comic title yearly we'd get somewhere.


sorry, but it is just SO dissapointing to have a character with so much history, and a history you've grown up reading....getting trashed by poor stories that eventually don't matter and were pointless, and not respectful and didn't happen. This is Marvel's MAIN character too..why aren't they busy trashing other characters and histories with stories that mean nothing. Why isn't there a single writer standing up for Spidey and speaking out against these senseless stories??

Hello Marvel!!??

I mean, DC in the past had some really dippy stories...but would they consider giving Superman pop out claws and have him tell the world he is Clark Kent just because Batman made him wear Bat armor and told him to expose himself on TV!?? (haha) Maybe he is not from Krypton either!! (Powers derived from the magical He-man Totem Pole of course.) DC COMICS could make money with a "Superman: Other Sinful Cloning Armored Tentacle Edition New #1" Series and redefine their mainstay like Marvel is. Kill off Lois too, but not before revealing she too slept with Norman Osborn during one of those Marvel DC Crossovers.

Sadly, the fact is, i used to be left with the sense of wondering what would happen in the NEXT issue of Spider-Man....now I'm left with a sense of wondering when we'll get to "officially forget" the current storyline.
 
SpideyInATree said:
Are you just referencing the issue that she died or saying that she turned out to be an actress in # 400.

Because ASM # 400 is the issue that got spit on. Poor J.M. DeMatteis and Mark Bagley. That hard work and emotion all for, basically nothing. I actually feel bad for a lot of those writers and artists during the 90's, and during the Clone Saga. There was a lot of very interesting and fun things introduced during the Clone Saga and a lot of new, different characters.

Yet...it's part of Spider-Man's history that just gets ignored all the time.

And that was before JMS and Joe Quesada, so it's not just these guys that mess up Spider-Man. A lot of other wonderful human beings have done a great job at messing up Spider-Man long before those guys.

Simply referring to her demise..
and yes that's exactly my point, which why I usually state that MARVEL as a whole FRACKED up spidey.. sniff.. And yes there are other runs of bad writing
simply that it is JMS, and Quesada makes it even worse, because they're so much better than the drudge that spit out.:(
 
farmernudie said:
Well....I haven't fully stopped reading Spidey....but I've stopped collecting every issue like i used to from the 70's thru the 90's. All my runs sadly came to an end...Spidey is still my favorite hero but is no longer a fun thing to read...he is a shadow of what he once was.

My reasons:

1.) They cancel Web of Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man, whatever they want to cancel....mess up the numbering of their series, rename the series, renumber,....then restart the numbering of the series where once left off inbetween renaming and renumbering, continue old name, etc....on and on....dumb choices that kick us long time LOYAL readers that read our comics and are not just in it for shock value and MONEY. ((By the way, they wonder why TPB's sell better now than the comics themselves...the answer my friends is in the above paragraph. You (the comic makers) have long destroyed any incentive in collecting runs of any series...))

2.) No respect for the characters, past writers, continuity, or us-the readers. I mean, change is good, and you can do new things...but don't just poop on everything that went before completely and utterly.

3.) Gwen Stacy is not a tramp. I mean, reread all of her stories when she was alive and current. There was never ANY indication what so ever that she was ANYTHING like some tramp who'd sleep with an old man, the father of her friend and then get rid of her love-children in another country and lie about it to everyone for years. Not an inkling even of anything like that for Gwen's character. Seriously....if there was something a writer actually had, and angle or something they could twist in that direction, something credible...that is one thing...but there isn't anything to lead anyone to think Gwen would have done that, so they just fling poo in the face of Gwen Stacy and us, the readers, It is pointless and stupid. Just for shock value.

4.) Cloning...which essentially made the real Spidey we read about for 20 years really just the "Amazing Adventures of A Fake"...everything i read before didn't matter-it was just adventures of a clone. Then making us read about the new "REAL" Spider-Man Ben for two years of our lives (in real time), only to eventually tell us the new real spidey Ben now is really not real and the Spider-Man we loved and grew up with is indeed REAL. Thanks for wasting our time guys...who didn't see THAT coming?? If you write a story, make it so that it can continue on and matter, like they did in the past...none of this shock value sell a couple extra comics crap...then months or years later it never happened or mattered. If it will stand the test of time-that can help you decide whether or not it is a good idea possibly?!?? If you're gonna want to pretend it didn't happen in a year...maybe skip that idea!!??....Unless there is some other strong logic for that idea.

5.) Dumb new costumes. I mean, again, change IS indeed neato and swell if done right....BUT.....why does Spider-Man need armor and tentacles that make him look like the Iron Octopus!?? This isn't Spider-HAm....heck THAT series was handled better than Spider-Man these days. Seriously...costume changes can be "ok" if done right and not routinely. The Black Costume was real cool in fact. It was new and fresh...and led to a great villian-the costume itself and later Venom/Eddie Brock. There was a new idea, and it didn't just "disappear" as a storyline that didn't mean anything and was pointless.

6.) origin changes......no longer bitten by radioactive spider...Pete REALLY got his powers from a magical totem pole of spidery love. Let me tell you, really, it is much easier for me personally to relate to the magical totem pole origins over a high school accident of the spider-bite.

7.) Power changes. Let's give spider-man pop out claws...i mean, wolverine sells great and he has claws. Let's also give him ant-man powers-so he can talk to spiders AND his hairy back and arms can help determine the wind and weather. Swell!!! And while we're at it, Spidey's eyes can be eaten off/out and they'll grow back thanks to these nifty new magical totem pole powers. Now Pete can fight Mike Tyson without fear. Ear gone??...no prob...Totem pole powers-Activate, in form of ear!

8.) Spidey unmasking.....it is not like Peter's character coincides with anything to do with responsibility. Why would he care if he jeapordized his students, the city, his wife, his family, his friends..etc. I mean, afterall, Iron Man WANTED him to take off his clothes...that explains it. And it's not like Peter in his life has ever had much experience with pressure or tribulations that would have helped him make such a tough decision of unmasking on live tv. And we know, Spidey's always up to doing anything in his power to please and impress others like Iron Man. It is a good thing no-one like NFL Super-Pro or Silver Surfer asked him to do anything odd, or you never know what Spidey would have resorted to in order to impress the other marvel heros! At least this solves the new Iron Octopus Costume problem...now he doesn't even NEED ANY costume...in fact, it is worthless and pointless to even wear. He can just wear a Spidey Head-band and some sweatpants- this will let his face breathe better too. No, the real reason he unmasked is not because Iron Man pressured him, or because it makes sense, or because us fans DEMAND THESE GENIOUS CHANGES...(Doh!!) but because Joey Q. needed a shock value of the month story, hoping to make more money for guys in suits on the marvel board...and to sell Civil War.

9.) While flushing Spider-Man down the toilet, lets also talk about rumors of getting rid of MAry Jane. I mean, it is not like us readers can associate with married life....(ARGHY!!)....some people at marvel are dumb. Why could writers in the 70's on up write supporting characters so well and now writers are clueless about how to handle characters or real life issues like marriage!? Maybe if we weren't just doing 10 issue runs and starting over new #1's of the same comic title yearly we'd get somewhere.


sorry, but it is just SO dissapointing to have a character with so much history, and a history you've grown up reading....getting trashed by poor stories that eventually don't matter and were pointless, and not respectful and didn't happen. This is Marvel's MAIN character too..why aren't they busy trashing other characters and histories with stories that mean nothing. Why isn't there a single writer standing up for Spidey and speaking out against these senseless stories??

Hello Marvel!!??

I mean, DC in the past had some really dippy stories...but would they consider giving Superman pop out claws and have him tell the world he is Clark Kent just because Batman made him wear Bat armor and told him to expose himself on TV!?? (haha) Maybe he is not from Krypton either!! (Powers derived from the magical He-man Totem Pole of course.) DC COMICS could make money with a "Superman: Other Sinful Cloning Armored Tentacle Edition New #1" Series and redefine their mainstay like Marvel is. Kill off Lois too, but not before revealing she too slept with Norman Osborn during one of those Marvel DC Crossovers.

Sadly, the fact is, i used to be left with the sense of wondering what would happen in the NEXT issue of Spider-Man....now I'm left with a sense of wondering when we'll get to "officially forget" the current storyline.


Well said. SPidey claws?! Wha? new powers?! JEBUS! I didn't know about all that BS!:down
 
hex said:
Simply referring to her demise..
and yes that's exactly my point, which why I usually state that MARVEL as a whole FRACKED up spidey.. sniff.. And yes there are other runs of bad writing
simply that it is JMS, and Quesada makes it even worse, because they're so much better than the drudge that spit out.:(

I figured you were just referencing the issue where she originally died. It just seemed, at first glance, that you were saying that's where it was revealed that it was "an actor all along".

Personally, I still wish that Marvel would have stuck to their guns and kept Ben Reilly as the one true Spider-Man. For once they actually bowed to the fans and listened to them, and it may have been for the worse. :o
 
SpideyInATree said:
I figured you were just referencing the issue where she originally died. It just seemed, at first glance, that you were saying that's where it was revealed that it was "an actor all along".

Personally, I still wish that Marvel would have stuck to their guns and kept Ben Reilly as the one true Spider-Man. For once they actually bowed to the fans and listened to them, and it may have been for the worse. :o

I don't know if Marvel would have been able to survive had Ben Reilly been the "One True Spider-man". Doing that would basically be spitting in the face of all Spider-man fans that followed the character over the years. It's almost like it would have been for nothing and none of it would have mattered. Honestly that's pretty much my only MAIN problem with the Clone Saga. Marvel trying to make Ben Reilly the "real" Spider-man.

But then again, they've been doing a good job of pretty much ignoring the past years of Spider-man lately with "The Other", Sins Past, the unmasking and so on...so who knows...
 
ragingdemon155 said:
I don't know if Marvel would have been able to survive had Ben Reilly been the "One True Spider-man". Doing that would basically be spitting in the face of all Spider-man fans that followed the character over the years. It's almost like it would have been for nothing and none of it would have mattered. Honestly that's pretty much my only MAIN problem with the Clone Saga. Marvel trying to make Ben Reilly the "real" Spider-man.

But then again, they've been doing a good job of pretty much ignoring the past years of Spider-man lately with "The Other", Sins Past, the unmasking and so on...so who knows...

Well, we'll never know if Marvel would have or wouldn't have been able to survive. It was a lot more than just having Ben be the one true Spider-Man that ruined the Clone Saga, that's been discussed to death here.

But, if it would have continued...who's to say it wouldn't have been a good thing for Marvel? There are a lot of posters here and in a ton of other threads who clamor for the return of Ben Reilly. Are these the same posters who flipped out back in the 90's when all of it was going on? I don't know, maybe they are and just liked Ben Reilly, but not him being the real Peter Parker.

But, it's just my opinion that Ben Reilly should have stayed the one true Spider-Man. Simply because I liked it and thought that it was a good thing. Which there is nothing wrong with it, but I guess I'm not a "real Spider-Man fan", right? :)
 
As I've said several times over, what they coulda done was make it a double mind-**** by Osborn if they were gonna go that way and have Ben find out he's th' clone, but continue on as Spidey while Peter raises a family and becomes a supportin' character.

But no, that'd be too smart.
 
SpideyInATree said:
Well, we'll never know if Marvel would have or wouldn't have been able to survive. It was a lot more than just having Ben be the one true Spider-Man that ruined the Clone Saga, that's been discussed to death here.

But, if it would have continued...who's to say it wouldn't have been a good thing for Marvel? There are a lot of posters here and in a ton of other threads who clamor for the return of Ben Reilly. Are these the same posters who flipped out back in the 90's when all of it was going on? I don't know, maybe they are and just liked Ben Reilly, but not him being the real Peter Parker.

But, it's just my opinion that Ben Reilly should have stayed the one true Spider-Man. Simply because I liked it and thought that it was a good thing. Which there is nothing wrong with it, but I guess I'm not a "real Spider-Man fan", right? :)

The term "real" or "true" fan makes no sense. If you like the character, you like the character. That's all. I honestly still don't know what makes anyone a "true" fan of anything. A fan is a fan.

That being said.

No your not a "real" Spider-man fan then:)
 
ragingdemon155 said:
The term "real" or "true" fan makes no sense. If you like the character, you like the character. That's all. I honestly still don't know what makes anyone a "true" fan of anything. A fan is a fan.

That being said.

No your not a "real" Spider-man fan then:)

That wasn't really meant for you. It was meant for the Spider-Man comics forum "Illuminati" who claim you're not a real fan if you don't agree with everything they say or think. :o

I didn't start reading Spider-Man comics full time until Maximum Carnage. I have a much, MUCH different view of the character. Yes, I have read the 7 volumes of the Essential Spider-Man. I have the 40 years Spider-Man DVD, and have read every issue of Amazing Spider-Man.

I've just got a different outlook on the character than most long time Spider-Man fans. And I liked Ben Reilly as the one true Spider-Man. I mean, Ben Reilly IS Peter Parker when you get technical. I don't really see how it would really be spitting in their faces. Even if the Peter throughout all those years was a clone, how does that really change anything if they are the same exact person? They would have made the same exact decisions if the real Peter had stayed and the clone had really been outcasted, assuming that Marvel would have stuck to their guns. Wouldn't it have been a nice ending for the "clone" Peter to have lived happily ever after in Oregon with Mary Jane and his daughter? I see peoples point in not liking it. I guess if I grew up in the 60's, 70's, and early 80's reading Spider-Man comics as a kid I wouldn't like it too much either. But I didn't. I didn't start reading until the early 90's. I'm a different kind of fan.
 
SpideyInATree said:
That wasn't really meant for you. It was meant for the Spider-Man comics forum "Illuminati" who claim you're not a real fan if you don't agree with everything they say or think. :o

I didn't start reading Spider-Man comics full time until Maximum Carnage. I have a much, MUCH different view of the character. Yes, I have read the 7 volumes of the Essential Spider-Man. I have the 40 years Spider-Man DVD, and have read every issue of Amazing Spider-Man.

I've just got a different outlook on the character than most long time Spider-Man fans. And I liked Ben Reilly as the one true Spider-Man. I mean, Ben Reilly IS Peter Parker when you get technical. I don't really see how it would really be spitting in their faces. Even if the Peter throughout all those years was a clone, how does that really change anything if they are the same exact person? They would have made the same exact decisions if the real Peter had stayed the the clone had really been outcasted, assuming that Marvel would have stuck to their guns. Wouldn't it have been a nice ending for the "clone" Peter to have lived happily ever after in Oregon with Mary Jane and his daughter? I see peoples point in not liking it. I guess if I grew up in the 60's, 70's, and early 80's reading Spider-Man comics as a kid I wouldn't like it too much either. But I didn't. I didn't start reading until the early 90's. I'm a different kind of fan.

I started reading Spider-man comics full time around the same time as you so trust me I get the occasional "I'm not a real fan" cause I love Carnage or actually thought the 90's was a good era for Spider-man comics.
 
ragingdemon155 said:
I started reading Spider-man comics full time around the same time as you so trust me I get the occasional "I'm not a real fan" cause I love Carnage or actually thought the 90's was a good era for Spider-man comics.

That's why I told you it wasn't really meant for you. I know you're not part of the "Illuminati"
 
I enjoyed the 90s as well, which's also when I started. It wasn't until the post clone-saga it turned ot crap.
 
SpideyInATree said:
That wasn't really meant for you. It was meant for the Spider-Man comics forum "Illuminati" who claim you're not a real fan if you don't agree with everything they say or think. :o

Wow. Drama queen much? Aside from being wrong that is.
 
Doc Destruction said:
Wow. Drama queen much? Aside from being wrong that is.

But I'm not wrong. I like what I like. How is that wrong?

You need to start taking your own advice on things.
 
i think SIAT got it spot on. there's a group of you who think if we dont agree with you then its time to team up, slag us off and take us down. you knows it :)
 
1. Spidey's 'evolution' of powers. Sorry, it's lame. Also, making him into some sort of mystical being who evolves instead of a super-powered photographer is lame.

2. While we're on the subject of super-powered photgraphers, making Pete a high school sciene teacher was terrible move, and a weak plot device.

3. The Iron Spidey costume. So now Peter's trying his best to follow in the footsteps of a drunken playboy who uses his flying armour to fight bad-guys? Nope, that's just not right. Plus the costume just looks stupid.

4. The Clone Saga. Norman Osborn is behind the Clone Saga. Ben Reilly. Ben Reilly's death, just when you start to like him.

5. Sins Past story arc. Gwen would not sleep with bloody Norman Osborn, no matter what the writers say.

6. The unmasking in Civil War #2. This is completely crossing the line, and whoever wrote it is a bad, bad man.

7. Spider-man, the hero who refuses to kill anyone (on purpose anyways) kills Morlun? I mean people like Carnage go through the city on massive killing sprees, with hundreds of innocent victims, and Spidey can't bring himself to kill him. The Green Goblin throws Spiy's first love of a F@#$ING BRIDGE and he doesn't kill the Goblin. But Morlun breaks his wife's arm and he goes ape**** on the guy? Completely out of character for him.

8. Brock selling his symbiote and donating the money to charity, then slitting his wrists when Venom, of all people, KILLS SOMETHING! WTF?

9. On that topic, the ScopoVenom thing. It's basically just a stain on the pages of ASM. Mac Gargan is DEFINATELY not a suitable host for Venom. Period.

10. Joe Quesida. FIRE HIM.
 
Doc Destruction said:
No, wrong about there being an "Illuminati", paranoid one.

It's called a joke, no sense of humor one.
 
MyPokerShirt said:
i think SIAT got it spot on. there's a group of you who think if we dont agree with you then its time to team up, slag us off and take us down. you knows it :)

Yes, there is. We all get together, do the secret handshake, eat children and discuss how to hate on SIAT and you.:rolleyes:
 
Why is Marvel so weird?


Ultimate is a pretty established line and it works fine for the younger crowd.


They MAKE Spider-Man's age too big of a problem. They do. Its not really a problem but they make it one. They should advance Spider-Man properly instead of pulling stunt after shock value stunt and trying to keep him in touch with the younger crowd.

They should bring back baby May and for the love of god, don't kill MJ or divorce them....:mad:

Leave the young and the hip for Ultimate...
 

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