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The Dark Knight TRAILER #3 Discussion (First Post Updated w/ Download Info)

How Do You Rate the Trailer?

  • 10 - Absolutely Bat-tastic :wow:

  • 9

  • 8

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  • 6

  • 5 - Meh :dry:

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  • 1 - WTF Nolan? :confused:

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Things change, kids, not only from comic to film, but from comic to comic over the years I'm afraid. we want harvey scarred in the courtroom (which i myself would prefer) as in our precious modern canon, most deftly illustrated in the long halloween, where we can spy the batman watching from some high pillar. ok. but with all this respect for genuine canon, why not adapt the bat-scripture as it was written in its purest form, when dent was scarred room, as he is cross examining masked vigilante batman, who sits n the witness stand of the court of law? oh wait cause that doesnt work, which is why loeb and countless others since have changed that, and nolan and co may have to make some necessary improvements on the work of loeb, o'neill, moench miller, whoever the hell, to make their partiular vision work.
 
Saint said:
The Batman was lambasted on the basis of it's shoddy scripting, not it's deviations from canon.
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Oh yes, "The Batman" is far inferior. I merely meant the bashing would be like the level of bashing "The Batman" gets, not that it would get bashed for the same reasons.
 
*raises hand*

Excuse me...oh um can I say something?

Can we put an end to all this comic origin debate over footage that only a handful of people have actually seen. Some are waiting for more fleshed out details on the actual trailer, which most people who are the ones arguing at this time haven't even seen yet.
 
kid dropper said:
Things change, kids, not only from comic to film, but from comic to comic over the years I'm afraid. we want harvey scarred in the courtroom (which i myself would prefer) as in our precious modern canon, most deftly illustrated in the long halloween, where we can spy the batman watching from some high pillar. ok. but with all this respect for genuine canon, why not adapt the bat-scripture as it was written in its purest form, when dent was scarred room, as he is cross examining masked vigilante batman, who sits n the witness stand of the court of law? oh wait cause that doesnt work, which is why loeb and countless others since have changed that, and nolan and co may have to make some necessary improvements on the work of loeb, o'neill, moench miller, whoever the hell, to make their partiular vision work.
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What the hell does this even mean?
 
bosef982 said:
Granted, your points about Burton I stand corrected. But the more interesting question than becomes:

Why was it successful?

Now, I have to ardently disagree about Singer's X-Men movies, since I think they did a novel job at adaptation a particular difficult source material. but this is Batman, not X-Men, so I digress.

So, why was Burton's Batman successful?

I think one reason that people largely overlook is that it had been so long since anything of relative decent Bat-quality had emerged in a while.

Now, while I can't deny that Batman was most certainly "spraying-bullets," I do take issue with whether or not Bruce Wayne was a psychopath in that movie. A lot of things happen in the movie to support that he is not.

But, again, I digress. Why was Burton's Batman successful? I listed one point above. But, quite simply, it was dark, it was moody, it captured that atmosphere and that danger and the insanity of Batman's world.

So, most fans were able to overlook the guns and the ultra-violent tactics (which I don't neccessarily mind) and embrace that, at the end of the day, what they were watching was Batman, a man driven on a quest of vengence to protect Gotham City.

Burton came onto Batman and decided he needed to shock audiences into a newer, darker version of Batman that took itself seriously for the most part. He relied on untraditional casting to complete this, creating an authentic movie world that embrace what was best about Batman and reinvigorated -- nay, made -- a franchise possibly due to audience's latching on to this newer take.

And that's the point: the audience is what really matters here and audiences rarely want the same old song. They want something new, something more relevant to the times, something more exciting.
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Once again I agree with your viewpoint....somewhat.

Tim Burton's Batman was successful because many people especially long time Batman fans was longing for something of decent quality about BAtman to come out, but ONLY in the medium of the live action movies.

The years leading up to the Batman movie was a golden time for Batman in the comics/graphic novels with THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS in '86 YEAR ONE in '87 and THE KILLING JOKE in '88.

So the comic reader was enjoing a great period for BAtman but the only live action interpertation was that of the old '60s Adam West movie / TV show which for many Batman fans consider to be a joke that was at one time appealing but now long overdone.

I think Burton's approach of a more gothic and darker Batman in total opposite of the TV show (which for most people as the only live action view of Batman) was a wiping clean the old campy show view of Batman for long time fans that represented what was going on in the books of that time and something looked at as "new" for mainstream audiences, which is why I think it was successful.

And you're right that Burton taking that view of Batman as in a movie is why we could overlook such inconsistancy with the comics such as Batman shooting bullets (although he did carry a gun in the Bob Kane early days) and that the Joker being the murderer of his parents (Which I personally still 't care for, but i digress).

However, Burton did hint at the fact that Bruce Wayne had to be a physcotic to be Batman becasue it was a prevailing attitude in the some of the most popular books about him at the time in particular DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and even moreso THE KILLING JOKE (which Burton has said that KJ was the inspiration of his first Batman Movie).

And he did shock us in his casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman and it was a fury of hate mail to WB for this becasue a lot of us thought it was going to be just another update version of the old campy show of the '60s by casting 'Mr.Mom' in the key role.

Keaton was pretty much a comedic actor before Batman outside of 'Clean and Sober'.

I won't mention anything about the X-Men movie becasue the LESS said about them the better.
 
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Lois, this is not my Batman glass.
 
Crook said:
Way to generalize. You come up with 3 consecutive, well-articulated posts, and end with this s**t? :dry:
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While the generalisation was off-base, I think if you exchange "most fans" with "some fans", he has a really good point there.
 
ActuallyRobin said:
Man, I love bacon.
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Bacon is bullcrap. The true essense of the bacon character is that he is a waffle on the outside and a frightening pancake on the inside.

Conclusion: Bacon needs to be permabrown all the goddamn time.
 
jtfaria said:
How can liquid be portrayed as 'flammable-looking'? I suppose if one can see ripples of gases rising out of it, that would be a sign. Did you see anything like that? (Though you don't even recall seeing any liquid, never mind 'flammable-looking' liquid.)

Sounds like this person was a poor observer, eh?
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Perhaps he meant there are flames reflected in a puddle of this liquid? An example would be the Joker reflected in a rain puddle in The Killing Joke.

That would actually be an interesting shot and camera angle.

An example of the sky reflected in a puddle.

Can someone who has seen the trailer confirm anything like this? Or was the shot too quick?
 
Crook said:
I too, wonder how exactly they knew it was flammable liquid. But I presume, like the person probably did, that they deduced it was acid because of Harvey and the predicament he was in.
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Because it clearly said, "Acme Lighter Fluid" or "Acme Flesh Eating Acid Made For Harvey Dent" on the bottle depending on who saw it.
 
Numez said:
Bacon is bullcrap. The true essense of the bacon character is that he is a waffle on the outside and a frightening pancake on the inside.

Conclusion: Bacon needs to be permabrown all the goddamn time.
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how could i forget that, this clearly isn't bacon I'm eating, but a poor imitation.
 
Correctomundo.

I bet this bacon doesn't even tell any sadistic jokes either. :whatever:
 
Don't even Get me started on Eggs.....:hoboj:

I didn't know bacon could talk!:O
 
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