Trophy Hunting

[Thundercrack85]

I really think that issues like these just show how ****ed up the first world's priorities are. People go ape **** when an idiot from Minnesota shoots a lion, while people in Zimbabwe are killed in violence every day.

When they asked Zimbabweans about "Cecil" they had no idea what the hell the reporters were talking about.

Hashtag first world problems.

But yes, I am against trophy hunting.

 

[Marvolo]

U.S. Government To Lion-Killing Dentist: Hey, Can You Give Us A Call?

"We ask that Dr. Palmer or his representative contact us immediately."

Hey, Walter Palmer, the Obama administration wants to talk to you.

The severed head of Cecil the lion has now been located in Zimbabwe and turned over to officials there.

However, the Minnesota dentist said to be responsible for Cecil's killing is still unaccounted for, according to a U.S. government agency, which issued a statement on Thursday asking him to please, please give them a call.

"The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service is investigating the circumstances surrounding the killing of 'Cecil the lion.' That investigation will take us wherever the facts lead," said Edward Grace, the agency's deputy chief of law enforcement, in the statement.

"At this point in time, however, multiple efforts to contact Dr. Walter Palmer have been unsuccessful. We ask that Dr. Palmer or his representative contact us immediately," Grace added.

Reuters reports that the Fish and Wildlife Service is looking into whether Palmer violated the Lacey Act, which, among other things, makes it a federal crime to trade in wildlife killed in violation of foreign law.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55ba7055e4b0b8499b18ba97?

I hope he didnt spend all of his money on the murder of Cecil cause ol' Walter is gonna need a lawyer real soon.

 

[SV Fan]

U.S. Government To Lion-Killing Dentist: Hey, Can You Give Us A Call?

"We ask that Dr. Palmer or his representative contact us immediately."

While I think this guy is a jackhole for getting his jollies killing endangered animals in enclosed areas, I do not think going by the law he did anything wrong(assume he didn't actively try and kill that specific lion)

I personally think more negativity should be thrown at the countries who allow this kind of stuff to happen then any one person as well. Hundreds of guys have gone on these kind of hunts, why single out this one person as the problem

 

[DeadPresident]

Team America looks like they're going to find this twit...

 

[Marvolo]

While I think this guy is a jackhole for getting his jollies killing endangered animals in enclosed areas, I do not think going by the law he did anything wrong(assume he didn't actively try and kill that specific lion)

I personally think more negativity should be thrown at the countries who allow this kind of stuff to happen then any one person as well. Hundreds of guys have gone on these kind of hunts, why single out this one person as the problem

It seems he violated the Lacy Act. He paid to illegally hunt an animal that is listed as vulnerable which also happened to be a national icon of another country in an enclosure that he wasn't supposed to be in. So he broke foreign laws, he broke domestic federal laws, he paid to kill an animal of an at risk species, and now he is refusing to cooperate with the Federal government. Even if he did think what he was doing was legal, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Anyone willing to travel to another country, and pay $50,000 dollars to shoot, kill, and decapitate a lion should have researched the hunting laws of that country and his own country. It's his own damn fault.

And no one is singling him out. He killed an animal that he shouldn't have and the dumbass got caught. He isn't the only poacher out there but we shouldn't go easy on him just because.

I'm curious to know whether Zimbabwe will bar him from the country for life. They should. And the U.S. may revoke his passport. Passports aren't a right. They are a privilege and can be denied and revoked and he's proven he can't be trusted with one.

 

[DeadPresident]

Zimbabwe might ban him for life, but they'll keep letting other hunters just like him in. After all this furore people will keep doing the same stuff, but they might be a little more careful.

 

[herakles]

This is my attitude about this is that we have FAR more pressing things to worry about.

I am NOT a fan of "trophy" hunting period!! The only exception should be if you are using tradition hunting tools of the region you are hunting at. For instance if you are hunting Lions then all you get in a spear like the Masi Warriors. Or if you are hunting boar then you get a 15 foot spear like the Ancient Greeks used to use. Hunting should ONLY be for food, defense (persons or livestock) and/or public safety.

I do find it strange how this has taken the focus away from say the Planned Parenthood Body part selling scandal, the Iranians still calling for Death to America, or Hilary using her personal email server to send Top Secret emails.

 

[BestGirl]

I really think that issues like these just show how ****ed up the first world's priorities are. People go ape **** when an idiot from Minnesota shoots a lion, while people in Zimbabwe are killed in violence every day.

When they asked Zimbabweans about "Cecil" they had no idea what the hell the reporters were talking about.

Hashtag first world problems.

But yes, I am against trophy hunting.

If we take the stance that animals can only be cared about as long as people have no problems then we'll never care about animals and that would be terribly wrong.

It's not like humans qualify as an endangered or vulnerable species anyway.

 

[Mechanix]

This is my attitude about this is that we have FAR more pressing things to worry about.

I am NOT a fan of "trophy" hunting period!! The only exception should be if you are using tradition hunting tools of the region you are hunting at. For instance if you are hunting Lions then all you get in a spear like the Masi Warriors. Or if you are hunting boar then you get a 15 foot spear like the Ancient Greeks used to use. Hunting should ONLY be for food, defense (persons or livestock) and/or public safety.

I do find it strange how this has taken the focus away from say the Planned Parenthood Body part selling scandal, the Iranians still calling for Death to America, or Hilary using her personal email server to send Top Secret emails.

Planned Parenthood isn't selling body parts. That "video" was poorly edited by a group known for exaggerations and outright lies.

 

[warhorse78]

This is my attitude about this is that we have FAR more pressing things to worry about.

I am NOT a fan of "trophy" hunting period!! The only exception should be if you are using tradition hunting tools of the region you are hunting at. For instance if you are hunting Lions then all you get in a spear like the Masi Warriors. Or if you are hunting boar then you get a 15 foot spear like the Ancient Greeks used to use. Hunting should ONLY be for food, defense (persons or livestock) and/or public safety.

I do find it strange how this has taken the focus away from say the Planned Parenthood Body part selling scandal, the Iranians still calling for Death to America, or Hilary using her personal email server to send Top Secret emails.

I saw on the news he used a bow and arrow to kill the lion. That in itself was not a quick kill. I had a friend whose husband was a hunter, and they moved out to a cabin in the mountains of west virginia, and the cabin was on stilts, where we could see for miles around. Well, one morning we were having coffee on the balcony and saw a deer come out into the valley, and her husband comes out, and before we knew what he was going to do, he shot the deer with a bow and arrow. He had to rush down there afterwards to slit it's throat, but the whole incident was awful. But, he did eat the deer, and didn't let anything go to waste. He may have been a hunter, in fact, my whole family are hunters, but we only hunt to eat, and leave nothing to waste. They are also have this code that humans shouldn't eat mammal carnivores.

 

[DeadPresident]

This is my attitude about this is that we have FAR more pressing things to worry about.

I am NOT a fan of "trophy" hunting period!! The only exception should be if you are using tradition hunting tools of the region you are hunting at. For instance if you are hunting Lions then all you get in a spear like the Masi Warriors. Or if you are hunting boar then you get a 15 foot spear like the Ancient Greeks used to use. Hunting should ONLY be for food, defense (persons or livestock) and/or public safety.

I do find it strange how this has taken the focus away from say the Planned Parenthood Body part selling scandal, the Iranians still calling for Death to America, or Hilary using her personal email server to send Top Secret emails.

This concept that there only a finite number of things to worry about is fallacious. We should be worrying about everything. There is honestly very little we're getting right at the moment. Considering the massive advances in technology and resources and information available it's flabbergasting that there are only like 10-15 countries in the world that seem to be getting it right. The global community needs to wake the **** up about pretty much every facet of their lives.

We shouldn't be hunting scarce species in addition to everything else. It's not that difficult to be an insightful, thinking human being.

 

[Mechanix]

I don't necessarily believe that human lives are worth more than an animal's. It depends.


Also, even if trophy hunting may help some conservation efforts, another problem that arises is that trophy hunters hunt the largest and strongest animals. Which means that after time, the animal poplulation becomes weaker, smaller and slower. So the only animals that are conserved are the ones that weren't good enough to be hunted.

 

[Marvolo]

I saw on the news he used a bow and arrow to kill the lion. That in itself was not a quick kill. I had a friend whose husband was a hunter, and they moved out to a cabin in the mountains of west virginia, and the cabin was on stilts, where we could see for miles around. Well, one morning we were having coffee on the balcony and saw a deer come out into the valley, and her husband comes out, and before we knew what he was going to do, he shot the deer with a bow and arrow. He had to rush down there afterwards to slit it's throat, but the whole incident was awful. But, he did eat the deer, and didn't let anything go to waste. He may have been a hunter, in fact, my whole family are hunters, but we only hunt to eat, and leave nothing to waste. They are also have this code that humans shouldn't eat mammal carnivores.

He didn't kill Cecil with a bow. This is how it went down:

He lured Cecil out of his protected enclosure. Then he shot Cecil with a bow, but Cecil didn't die and he ran off. So Walter and his "guide" had to stalk Cecil for two days and they finally found him and finished him off with a gun. Then they cut his head off.

So for 2 ****ing days this lion had to experience extreme pain and run from a sadistic American only to be shot down like a wounded dog.

A key part of responsible hunting is that an animal should be given a swift clean death that is as painless as possible. You don't take a bow on a lion hunt. You take something that will put the animal down quickly or cause them to bleed out quickly. This moron just wanted to be able to tell his buddies that he killed a lion with a bow, and the lion suffered for it. Seriously, I'd love to shoot an arrow into this guy's ass and make him walk around for two days and see how he likes it.

 

[Schlosser85]

Trophy hunting is an attempt at proving manhood by men who don't have any.

 

[moviedoors]

He didn't kill Cecil with a bow. This is how it went down:

He lured Cecil out of his protected enclosure. Then he shot Cecil with a bow, but Cecil didn't die and he ran off. So Walter and his "guide" had to stalk Cecil for two days and they finally found him and finished him off with a gun. Then they cut his head off.

So for 2 ****ing days this lion had to experience extreme pain and run from a sadistic American only to be shot down like a wounded dog

I did not know this. That is sadistic and indefensible.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't necessarily believe that human lives are worth more than an animal's. It depends.

I agree. The notion that humans always come first has left us with numerous extinct species and environmental degradation that's spiraled out of control. I have no problem prioritizing animals over humans at times.

 

[Marvolo]

I did not know this. That is sadistic and indefensible.

Yeah, I don't know how someone can live with themselves after doing some **** like that. No animal deserves that. Least of all the King of the Jungle. A lion should either die peacefully of old age or go out like a BAMF on its own terms. Not at the hands of stupid inept poacher.

 

[titansupes]

I saw on the news he used a bow and arrow to kill the lion. That in itself was not a quick kill. I had a friend whose husband was a hunter, and they moved out to a cabin in the mountains of west virginia, and the cabin was on stilts, where we could see for miles around. Well, one morning we were having coffee on the balcony and saw a deer come out into the valley, and her husband comes out, and before we knew what he was going to do, he shot the deer with a bow and arrow. He had to rush down there afterwards to slit it's throat, but the whole incident was awful. But, he did eat the deer, and didn't let anything go to waste. He may have been a hunter, in fact, my whole family are hunters, but we only hunt to eat, and leave nothing to waste. They are also have this code that humans shouldn't eat mammal carnivores.

Honestly, not trying to attack you personally, but this really sticks out to me. I mean... were you all stranded and starving or something? Was there no food in the house and no grocery store/7-11/anything within driving distance?

I don't understand the distinction between hunting an innocent, wild animal to keep as a trophy (you never need to, you just want to) and hunting an innocent, wild animal to eat it (when you don't need to, you just want to).

 

[moviedoors]

Honestly, not trying to attack you personally, but this really sticks out to me. I mean... were you all stranded and starving or something? Was there no food in the house and no grocery store/7-11/anything within driving distance?

I don't understand the distinction between hunting an innocent, wild animal to keep as a trophy (you never need to, you just want to) and hunting an innocent, wild animal to eat it (when you don't need to, you just want to).

Exactly! Just say it, hunters: you want to kill something.

 

[Mechanix]

From what I've read, the good news is that Cecil's brother is protecting the cubs from being killed by a new pride leader.

The bad news is, there are reports that the brother has been killed by poachers.

A poacher's life is worth less than an insect's.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think the fundamental issue is that humans sort of seem to be torn between being carnivores and herbivores.

But I don't really begrudge hunters who eat their kills. I mean, would you rather be a deer who lives out a life in the wild and is then shot as an adult, and eaten, or a pig who is - thanks to *******s like Chris Christie – confined from birth in a tiny crate and then slaughtered like its mother, father, siblings, etc. And likely beaten, given that the meat industry has serious animal cruelty issues.

I mean, who really is committing the worse sin? The hunter, or the guy waiting in line at Chipotle?

 

[jmc]

Conflicting reports about Cecil's brother Jericho being killed.

 

[Marvolo]

Honestly, not trying to attack you personally, but this really sticks out to me. I mean... were you all stranded and starving or something? Was there no food in the house and no grocery store/7-11/anything within driving distance?

I don't understand the distinction between hunting an innocent, wild animal to keep as a trophy (you never need to, you just want to) and hunting an innocent, wild animal to eat it (when you don't need to, you just want to).

Most grocery stores don't sell deer, boar, pheasant, quail, bear etc.

And how is it any different killing a deer for food and going to a grocery store to get meat? Either way an animal died. If people want to kill their own food there is nothing wrong with that as long as the animal they are hunting isn't endangered or at risk.

And frankly deer can be a real nuisance in my area and tend to overpopulate rural areas in general which can lead to car accidents. Most people I know has had at least one car accident involving a deer. So as long as deer are in very high numbers and not experiencing rapidly declining populations or endangered and are being hunted in a proper way in season I don't mind.

If lions weren't endangered, were being hunted for their meat, and were being hunted in season under very strict laws and guidelines I wouldn't take issue with that either. My issue with poaching is that it is only about pride and trophies and greed. The animal dies entirely in vain.

I think the fundamental issue is that humans sort of seem to be torn between being carnivores and herbivores.

But I don't really begrudge hunters who eat their kills. I mean, would you rather be a deer who lives out a life in the wild and is then shot as an adult, and eaten, or a pig who is - thanks to *******s like Chris Christie – confined from birth in a tiny crate and then slaughtered like its mother, father, siblings, etc. And likely beaten, given that the meat industry has serious animal cruelty issues.

I mean, who really is committing the worse sin? The hunter, or the guy waiting in line at Chipotle?

Exactly the fast food industry and food demands in general have led to some really awful conditions for pigs, cows, and chickens, and even fish. So anyone who thinks they are somehow more honorable for going to the grocery store or Wendy's instead of hunting a deer is very mistaken.

 

[warhorse78]

He didn't kill Cecil with a bow. This is how it went down:

He lured Cecil out of his protected enclosure. Then he shot Cecil with a bow, but Cecil didn't die and he ran off. So Walter and his "guide" had to stalk Cecil for two days and they finally found him and finished him off with a gun. Then they cut his head off.

So for 2 ****ing days this lion had to experience extreme pain and run from a sadistic American only to be shot down like a wounded dog.

A key part of responsible hunting is that an animal should be given a swift clean death that is as painless as possible. You don't take a bow on a lion hunt. You take something that will put the animal down quickly or cause them to bleed out quickly. This moron just wanted to be able to tell his buddies that he killed a lion with a bow, and the lion suffered for it. Seriously, I'd love to shoot an arrow into this guy's ass and make him walk around for two days and see how he likes it.

This is even sicker. Either way, this guy just might literally be a dead man walking.

 

[warhorse78]

Honestly, not trying to attack you personally, but this really sticks out to me. I mean... were you all stranded and starving or something? Was there no food in the house and no grocery store/7-11/anything within driving distance?

I don't understand the distinction between hunting an innocent, wild animal to keep as a trophy (you never need to, you just want to) and hunting an innocent, wild animal to eat it (when you don't need to, you just want to).

My grandfather on my dad's side and his siblings were German immigrants who were also survivors during Hitler's reign, so they knew all to well how quick a government can turn on it's people, and that our entire world could turn upside down, so it was a tradition that was passed down to learn how to survive, from camping to hunting and fishing. And anyways, what makes buying food at the supermarket, where we have very little idea how the animals were kept to begin with, any better or worse than hunting wild? I don't know what kind of steriods were pumped into these animals to get them fattened up. I've known major chicken factories would actually grind up chicken meat, and feed it to the other chickens, an act that I doubt is natural.